Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

uli84 · 23-09-2020 12:46PM

gmisk wrote: »

There are restrictions in both....Norway more so than Sweden
Look at their deaths per 100k...which is doing better?

Question- is it better to be dead for real or live as if you were dead?

Diabhalta · 23-09-2020 12:46PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What astounding ignorance. You are too important to queue is it, your time more valuable than everyone else's.

it's not about time, it's about moving on ... it's not April anymore...

You can catch a virus if you're spending considerate amount of time in close proximity of infected person... Not in a shop where you're only passing people... It's about making sense, not about me not having time. Like what the hell are they doing???

Assetbacked · 23-09-2020 12:48PM

uli84 wrote: »

After reading this my hope just died, apologies if anyone knows him personally but Dr Martin Daly what a moron

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/let-virus-spread-among-under-60s-dail-committee-told-1018721.html

Hmm, some other articles on Dr Martin Daly which would indicate maybe he isn't dogmaticaly a doomer;

"We need to put covid in perspective" https://www.northernsound.ie/former-president-irish-medical-organisation-says-need-put-coronavirus-perspective/

"Green List sends out mixed messages when advice is still to avoid non-essential travel" https://www.echolive.ie/nationalnews/Green-list-a-bad-idea-says-former-IMO-president-41714649-7b0d-41b3-b91e-a947b5e9167b-ds

"We need to live alongside covid and treat other health conditions" https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30999731.html

23-09-2020 12:54PM

uli84 wrote: »

After reading this my hope just died, apologies if anyone knows him personally but Dr Martin Daly what a moron

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/let-virus-spread-among-under-60s-dail-committee-told-1018721.html

You don’t like when people talk sense it would appear.

uli84 · 23-09-2020 12:58PM

Diabhalta wrote: »

it's not about time, it's about moving on ... it's not April anymore...

You can catch a virus if you're spending considerate amount of time in close proximity of infected person... Not in a shop where you're only passing people... It's about making sense, not about me not having time. Like what the hell are they doing???

Yeah, exactly, upon returning from Spain I received a text that someone on my flight had coronavirus but weren’t sitting close. And nothing, nothing happened to me despite low immunity due to long term illness, surely I should be dead by now holidaying in All Inclusive hotel in spain and with coronavirus case on a flight, they should seriously go & figure

topper75 · 23-09-2020 01:00PM

Diabhalta wrote: »

it's not about time, it's about moving on ... it's not April anymore...

You can catch a virus if you're spending considerate amount of time in close proximity of infected person... Not in a shop where you're only passing people... It's about making sense, not about me not having time. Like what the hell are they doing???

Yeah the whole shop policy was a giant over reaction and a mistake that they refuse to admit. This is borne out by the facts that nursing home victims were nowhere near a shop and supermarket workers were not generally contracting the virus (not to mind dying from it).

Passing somebody in an aisle is not how this thing spreads. There would not be many viruses of any sort that work on that basis.

The Swedish guy is right. There will never be a vaccine for this. No other coronavirus before has had a successful vaccine. Think hard about that when you next hear a government restriction announcement.

Diabhalta · 23-09-2020 01:01PM

I have no words...

paw patrol · 23-09-2020 01:15PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What he is proposing is almost impossible though. I cannot see how you can let a highly contagious virus circulate in one part of the community and keep it out of another. This is particularly the case for older people who depend on younger people to provide their care.

Controlled? Do you volunteer people to be exposed? You'll put your hand up I'm sure.

That's why this hasn't been adopted.

Don't know why you'd say

You'll put your hand up I'm sure.

cos that's what I want. f88k yeah I'd volunteer to go out and mix with people and live my life.
Let it run naturally though society. That's what some of us here being begging for for months.

23-09-2020 01:27PM

paw patrol wrote: »

Let it run naturally though society. That's what some of us here being begging for for months.

And this is exactly what the experts and the vast majority of people want to avoid. Having a dangerous virus running wild though society.

uli84 · 23-09-2020 01:30PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

And this is exactly what the experts and the vast majority of people want to avoid. Having a dangerous virus running wild though society.

It’s not dangerous, I am sorry, it isn’t even easy to contract as you could see on my previous post.

paw patrol · 23-09-2020 01:31PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

And this is exactly what the experts and the vast majority of people want to avoid. Having a dangerous virus running wild though society.

is our hero from the Dail address today not "an expert"?

Johan Giesecke, Sweden's former chief epidemiologist and a member of the WHO's strategic and technical advisory group for infectious hazards

Nobody said "run wild" as you say just let it run - we can isolate the vulnerable (if they wish)

Diabhalta · 23-09-2020 01:33PM

Bring it!!!

https://www.prahavaccines.cz/l/novavax-successfully-concluded-the-phase-1-clinical-trials-of-the-vaccine-against-covid-19-the-key-substance-of-the-vaccine-to-be-produced-in-the-czech-republic/

I won't take it, just give it to all the moaners and idiots so we can all move on.

Penfailed · 23-09-2020 01:40PM

Diabhalta wrote: »

Bring it!!!

https://www.prahavaccines.cz/l/novavax-successfully-concluded-the-phase-1-clinical-trials-of-the-vaccine-against-covid-19-the-key-substance-of-the-vaccine-to-be-produced-in-the-czech-republic/

I won't take it, just give it to all the moaners and idiots so we can all move on.

That was over a month ago. Are they not already on Phase 3 in Oxford?

AUDI20 · 23-09-2020 01:51PM

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

And this is exactly what the experts and the vast majority of people want to avoid. Having a dangerous virus running wild though society.

I agree 100% but then sure all the experts are here on Boards!!

Ginger n Lemon · 23-09-2020 01:55PM

Diabhalta wrote: »

I have no words...

I dont know why they call it "emergency" pack. I mean 90%+ dont even know they have covid.

and ones that suspect they do have slight weaknesses/loss of taste.

How do you "emergency" treat that? With a faceshield?

LessOutragePlz · 23-09-2020 02:00PM

paw patrol wrote: »

is our hero from the Dail address today not "an expert"?

Nobody said "run wild" as you say just let it run - we can isolate the vulnerable (if they wish)

That is basically what this UK politician is saying and I 100% agree with him.

https://twitter.com/davidbevanwood/status/1308377025049169920?s=09

23-09-2020 02:04PM

AUDI20 wrote: »

I agree 100% but then sure all the experts are here on Boards!!

go way outa dat, you'll have clout yourself now doubt. anyone proposing a semblance of anti lockdown rhetoric or alternative view is a loathed self professed expert in your view I imagine.
change the tune why dontcha!

23-09-2020 02:06PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I know off topic here, but I recorded PT last watch and just watched T Ryan and the Oxford professor in discussion. I actually felt embarrassed for Ryan. I never saw such a public putdown form colleagues in a similar profession. To use an old American phrase 'he got owned'.

Had to check this out on your recommendation. Very interesting debate. I would have loved if that went on for an hour to properly tease out their strategies. Our bias are definitely shining through. They both claim each other are wrong on a number of things without getting to the bottom of it. No "owning" so to speak.

Her plan is to stop the virus reaching the most vulnerable whilst the rest of us go about our day. Stop it getting into care homes and stop it disseminating from hospitals. I keep hearing this strategy. I'd like to hear how she plans on doing this. She claims people living in multi-generational households won't catch it somehow.

I've no idea about the t-cell/antibody debate to be honest. Ryan's evidence that it's still going through the population a tenuous link at best.

They claim the death rate is different. Depending on who wants to spin it, there's a wealth of numbers to point to. It's definitely more lethal and more infectious than bog standard influenza though.

Had a laugh at "What would James Joyce say?" as if that what a solid point to make.

While I don't agree with Tomas Ryan on many things, her ideas weren't teased out properly at all and seem to fall into the "hope for the best" territory.

Electric Sheep · 23-09-2020 02:11PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

He's still winding ye in folks. His posting history should be enough to dissuade anyone from engaging with him. The most extreme and contarian opinion to generate a response. Not worthy of a reply. I unfortunately engaged before I realised who I was dealing with.

Nox probably does most of his posting from the pub he pretends to avoid.

bloopy · 23-09-2020 02:16PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I dont know why they call it "emergency" pack. I mean 90%+ dont even know they have covid.

and ones that suspect they do have slight weaknesses/loss of taste.

How do you "emergency" treat that? With a faceshield?

What is the percentage of asymptomatic positive cases at the moment. It is hardly as high as 90% surely?

Ginger n Lemon · 23-09-2020 02:17PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Her plan is to stop the virus reaching the most vulnerable whilst the rest of us go about our day. Stop it getting into care homes and stop it disseminating from hospitals. I keep hearing this strategy. I'd like to hear how she plans on doing this. She claims people living in multi-generational households won't catch it somehow.

Very simple.... test the nursing home workers. limited visits to nursing homes with tests done prior for visitors. Do not transfer people from hospitals to nursing homes without doing a covid-19 test, making sure its negative prior to transfer.

That is all.............. its really that simple.

But we currently test 90k + people per week with 98% + coming back negative, vast majority of which do not work in nursing homes or hospitals and do not interact with workers from either.

Ginger n Lemon · 23-09-2020 02:18PM

bloopy wrote: »

What is the percentage of asymptomatic positive cases at the moment. It is hardly as high as 90% surely?

Yes it is.... its always been.

Most common symptom of a confirmed covid-19 case is that people are perfectly healthy.

That is why positive rate for 90k + tests we've been doing every week for god knows how long is <2%.

funnydoggy · 23-09-2020 02:19PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Very simple.... test the nursing home workers. limited visits to nursing homes with tests done prior for visitors. Do not transfer people from hospitals to nursing homes without doing a covid-19 test, making sure its negative prior to transfer.

That is all.............. its really that simple.

They could test a nursing home twice over in one day with the new 15 minute tests that seem to be coming out too.

Very sensible comment.

funnydoggy · 23-09-2020 02:20PM

bloopy wrote: »

What is the percentage of asymptomatic positive cases at the moment. It is hardly as high as 90% surely?

According to Leo two weeks ago, the majority. Not sure percentage wise though!

bloopy · 23-09-2020 02:29PM

funnydoggy wrote: »

According to Leo two weeks ago, the majority. Not sure percentage wise though!

I wonder how many of those people start to develop symptoms afterwards. Does anyone know the percentage which never develop any symptoms?

I ask because if a large amount of people testing positive never start showing symptoms, then word is going to get around - i.e. "Sure I had it and didn't even know. I'm grand".

This may make it harder to continue restrictions if people start to believe that it is not as bad as reported.

weldoninhio · 23-09-2020 02:43PM

topper75 wrote: »

... facemasks would double nicely as party armbands.

Could rebrand as the Stasi Síochána.

23-09-2020 03:03PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Very simple.... test the nursing home workers. limited visits to nursing homes with tests done prior for visitors. Do not transfer people from hospitals to nursing homes without doing a covid-19 test, making sure its negative prior to transfer.

That is all.............. its really that simple.

But we currently test 90k + people per week with 98% + coming back negative, vast majority of which do not work in nursing homes or hospitals and do not interact with workers from either.

Just shows the levels of cluelessness from the anti-restrictions crew. People in nursing homes are only a small fraction of those at risk from covid. The nursing homes are the easiest to deal with but you don't appear to understand that there are large numbers of people over 65, people with conditions that make them vulnerable etc that can't simply isolate from all potential sources of getting covid.

That is why we need to try to reduce the virus circulating in the community so that these people do not pick it up directly themselves or indirectly from someone else bringing it home. This is why restrictions and lockdowns are the answer - its not possible to isolate large sections of society so therefore we must try to isolate all society as much as possible.

Also remember its a pure lottery, you could be young and healthy and get covid with no symptoms or you could end up in ICU on a ventilator fighting for your life - I dont want to take that gamble, I dont want other members of my family or friends to have to take that gamble despite some in here appearing very willing to - bizarre really.

Diabhalta · 23-09-2020 03:04PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I dont know why they call it "emergency" pack. I mean 90%+ dont even know they have covid.

and ones that suspect they do have slight weaknesses/loss of taste.

How do you "emergency" treat that? With a faceshield?

Only an idiot comes up with an emergency kit like this. It is also for idiots. From idiots for idiots.

MadYaker · 23-09-2020 03:19PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Very simple.... test the nursing home workers. limited visits to nursing homes with tests done prior for visitors. Do not transfer people from hospitals to nursing homes without doing a covid-19 test, making sure its negative prior to transfer.

That is all.............. its really that simple.

But we currently test 90k + people per week with 98% + coming back negative, vast majority of which do not work in nursing homes or hospitals and do not interact with workers from either.

And what about all the people over 60 or with underlying conditions like obesity, asthma, diabetes etc that aren't in nursing homes?

uli84 · 23-09-2020 03:24PM

MadYaker wrote: »

And what about all the people over 60 or with underlying conditions like obesity, asthma, diabetes etc that aren't in nursing homes?

They can lockdown themselves if they wish so

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings