COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

Gradius · 23-09-2020 12:29AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I don’t want to know or care who or what your identity is to be honest. It’s late you should be in bed.

Well there you go. If I have no way of proving what I say, then there's no point calling me a spoofer either, right?

Believe it or not. Jesus, you'd think I was claiming to be Buddha incarnated again. I worked with vaccines?!...stop the lights!!

:P

Micky 32 · 23-09-2020 12:35AM

Gradius wrote: »

Well there you go. If I have no way of proving what I say, then there's no point calling me a spoofer either, right?

Believe it or not. Jesus, you'd think I was claiming to be Buddha incarnated again. I worked with vaccines?!...stop the lights!!

:P

It’s quite easy to see who you are not anyway. You worked with vaccines? Maybe you swept the floor in a vaccine laboratory and made the tea. I mean hmmm and hmmiz post far more informative quality up to date information and seem very knowledgeable posts vs your misery of doom stupid posts you have been posting all night. You certainly don’t come across as someone who worked on vaccines.

Happy4all · 23-09-2020 12:39AM

Isn't it a pain, two squabbling posters ruining a thread.

charlie14 · 23-09-2020 12:40AM

kerry cow wrote: »

question is are the smart guys on here willing to take the vaccine next year when it becomes available ??
come on , step up , step up .

me , no way , its too untested , but if ye all do , it stemps the virus for the rest of us , who know too wisely the risks of the side effect that may follow on later , its almost as dangerous as the virus itself .

rock and a hard place , so how many volunteers have we ?

I would not expect to be in at the least the first two priority groups, but as soon as I qualify I will have no problem taking it.
That comfortable place you can see yourself sitting in waiting it out for your decision that it is 100% safe might not be as comfortable as you imagine. Travel could certainly be a problem for you. Even the area of employment could be problematic among others.
Not that my heart would bleed for you if they were with you being happy to look on everyone else as your guinea pig.

iguana · 23-09-2020 12:40AM

Gradius wrote: »

I don't work with vaccines anymore. But why would me posting today, versus two years ago or ever mean anything anyway?

Well if you'd been posting two years ago about a vaccine for Sars-Cov-2 it would mean an awful lot tbh.:eek:

Gradius · 23-09-2020 12:45AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s quite easy to see who you are not anyway. You worked with vaccines? Maybe you swept the floor in a vaccine laboratory and made the tea. I mean hmmm and hmmiz post far more informative quality up to date information and seem very knowledgeable posts vs your misery of doom stupid posts you have been posting all night. You certainly don’t come across as someone who worked on vaccines.

I absolutely did sweep the floors of labs. I used to dip things in liquid nitrogen out of boredom sometimes. I've also designed vaccines. I've worked alongside the United Nations and CDC and WHO (WHO is slow as fook compared to CDC) and advised regions, countries and governments about what to do and when, how to programme countries from the ground up, and puuhhhlenty more. And none of it interests me anymore beyond complaining. I get bored quickly.

But I'm just lying

political analyst · 23-09-2020 12:54AM

As far as I know, it's not impossible to have social distancing in a household. Therefore, young people attending parties won't necessarily pass the virus on to vulnerable people.

Tokyo · 23-09-2020 03:47AM

Mod: @Gradius, @Micky 32 - take 72 hours away from the thread to learn how to adult. Micky 32 in particular, you are getting very close to a permanent threadban.

smurfjed · 23-09-2020 05:50AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Can someone with PCR knowledge explain this?
Am I right in reading that there's a 1-3% false positive rate of total tests?

https://twitter.com/CillianDeGascun/status/1305252820313141249?s=20

Judging by the number of colleagues that I know who have tested positive with no symptoms and tested negative on the subsequent tests, I would agree with that percentage.

smurfjed · 23-09-2020 06:06AM

I’m personally expecting to be offer a vaccine before the end of the year, either the Chinese or Russian one. It would certainly make my life easier.

Miike · 23-09-2020 06:38AM

Gradius wrote: »

Oh you've got me on the ropes now!

If I were to mention them it's a matter of 5 minutes to find my name and so on.

So no, I'm not retarded.

That you couldn't imagine that scenario though... :P

Your anonymity will be protected by the fact you weren't the sole "designer" of the vaccine.

Tombhoy2018 · 23-09-2020 07:08AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Lol, it’s very easy to tell someone to shut their mouth when behind a keyboard isn’t it?

I’d say it to your face McHugh no problem. Might just do that.

is_that_so · 23-09-2020 07:51AM

Not a company I'd associated with drug treatments but may be another useful tool from FujiFilm.

Fujifilm Holdings Corp. said it would seek regulatory approval to market a flu drug as a treatment for Covid-19 after a trial in Japan showed that it helped patients with mild cases of the disease recover faster.

https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/fujifilm-to-seek-approval-for-covid-drug-after-positive-trial-1.1497975

Tokyo · 23-09-2020 08:58AM

Mod: @Micky 32, @Tombhoy2018, take 72 hours away from the thread and grow up. Micky 32, you are on your last warning. Next time will be a forum ban.

Gael23 · 23-09-2020 09:25AM

Any sign of data coming in from the oxford phase 3 trials?

Hmmzis · 23-09-2020 09:36AM

Sign me up for the jab (most likely two).

Gradius, once you can post here again, no need to be arrogant about it. It would be enough to just mention the mechanisms that can cause the bad side effects so long after seroconversion. I know how to search PubMed and Google Scholar.

Sconsey · 23-09-2020 09:39AM

Yep I'll be right at the front of the queue too. That statement someone on here made that the vaccine could be more dangerous than the virus....don't you think we would have heard by now if the vaccine was killing off 1% - 3% of the thousands in the trials.

tobefrank321 · 23-09-2020 09:54AM

smurfjed wrote: »

I’m personally expecting to be offer a vaccine before the end of the year, either the Chinese or Russian one. It would certainly make my life easier.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

If the Russian one works we should expect to see a gradual ending of their epidemic towards the end of this year and early next year.
The same goes for the Chinese one used in UAE.

But all that is aside from safety issues.

You can have a vaccine that works but isn't safe. And vice versa.

Gael23 · 23-09-2020 10:00AM

Me too, I have an autoimmune condition so hopefully I’ll be eligible for one of the early batches available

iguana · 23-09-2020 10:38AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Me too, I have an autoimmune condition so hopefully I’ll be eligible for one of the early batches available

Do we know that the vaccine is being tested on people with autoimmune conditions? I assume so as they are very common and many people will be unaware they have one. So I can't see how in a trial of 30,000 people there won't be, at a minimum, several hundred people with autoimmune conditions.

I have/had endometriosis and stress related psoriasis, which are both autoimmune conditions and I do wonder if they are part of why I had so very many post-viral issues following a suspected Covid infection in mid-March. So I am interested to know how people with these types of conditions fare after the vaccine.

hmmm · 23-09-2020 11:52AM

Super summary of the current vaccine landscape. A bit dense in terms of layout, but easy read once you get into it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2798-3

hmmm · 23-09-2020 11:53AM

https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1308080056384843777

Some really interesting stuff:
"When we look at the viral load dynamics & contact tracing studies, those who are infected are very infectious for a short window, likely 1-2 days before and 5 days following symptom onset. No transmission documented so far after the first week of symptom onset. "

"Attack rates are highly correlated with symptom severity"

"Contact tracing studies suggest an almost 20x higher risk of transmission indoors compared with outdoor environments."

"Avoid crowded indoor poorly ventilated environments. Spend more time outdoors. Maintain your distance (more is better but 2 metre is not a panacea). Improve ventilation: open windows/doors. Wear a mask indoors. Wash hands."

ACitizenErased · 23-09-2020 11:56AM

iguana wrote: »

Do we know that the vaccine is being tested on people with autoimmune conditions? I assume so as they are very common and many people will be unaware they have one. So I can't see how in a trial of 30,000 people there won't be, at a minimum, several hundred people with autoimmune conditions.

I have/had endometriosis and stress related psoriasis, which are both autoimmune conditions and I do wonder if they are part of why I had so very many post-viral issues following a suspected Covid infection in mid-March. So I am interested to know how people with these types of conditions fare after the vaccine.

I believe people with HIV are being included in large amounts

hmmm · 23-09-2020 11:58AM

J&J have started phase 3 trials for their vaccine.

Single dose.

60,000 people.

https://twitter.com/SquawkCNBC/status/1308720782005198849

mandrake04 · 23-09-2020 12:54PM

Hmmzis wrote: »

Sign me up for the jab (most likely two).

Gradius, once you can post here again, no need to be arrogant about it. It would be enough to just mention the mechanisms that can cause the bad side effects so long after seroconversion. I know how to search PubMed and Google Scholar.

Maybe not need a Jab, could be no needles.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/why-your-covid-jab-might-not-be-a-needle/news-story/e792508c10ecec65c671b1c2fc25da7b

hmmm · 23-09-2020 02:38PM

https://www.ft.com/content/b782f666-6847-4487-986c-56d3f5e46c0b

"The UK is to host the world’s first Covid-19 human challenge trials — in which healthy volunteers are deliberately infected with coronavirus to assess the effectiveness of experimental vaccines.

The government-funded studies are expected to begin in January at a secure quarantine facility in east London, according to several people involved in the project, which will be announced next week"

These people are frankly heroes, and should be treated as such.

Gael23 · 23-09-2020 02:51PM

hmmm wrote: »

https://www.ft.com/content/b782f666-6847-4487-986c-56d3f5e46c0b

"The UK is to host the world’s first Covid-19 human challenge trials — in which healthy volunteers are deliberately infected with coronavirus to assess the effectiveness of experimental vaccines.

The government-funded studies are expected to begin in January at a secure quarantine facility in east London, according to several people involved in the project, which will be announced next week"

These people are frankly heroes, and should be treated as such.

This is very good news and will rapidly accelerate vaccine timelines.

Im surprised it passed any ethics committee though

funnydoggy · 23-09-2020 04:31PM

hmmm wrote: »

https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1308080056384843777

"Attack rates are highly correlated with symptom severity"

So asymptomatic cases don't really spread?

igCorcaigh · 23-09-2020 04:33PM

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1308788783379341317?s=19

funnydoggy · 23-09-2020 05:06PM

FutureTeashock wrote: »

You can have the one I won't be taking.

Hey you!

COVID-19: Vaccine/antidote and testing procedures Megathread [Mod Warning - Post #1]

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