How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

DSN · 22-09-2020 10:37AM

Neyite wrote: »

The pubs will blame the schools and the schools will blame the pubs for a spike in numbers. Government will bluster a bit and say they'll launch an enquiry and it will come to nothing.

Because the child they sit next to has a grandmother at home undergoing chemo? Because the teacher has serious underlying respiratory conditions?

If a child is referred for a test it's because they have symptoms of a respiratory illness AND fever. My lad was exhausted just lying on the sofa during those days. He wasn't fit for school. I knew it wasn't Covid. So did the GP, but he got referred anyway and I kept him home until after I got the negative result because he just wasn't well enough to concentrate in class, and because it's the rules. And because I also didn't want other children to get it from him and also miss days off school and inconveniencing other households.

I'd like to see fines issued for parents who send their kids in against public health guidelines. If you care about your child's education that much you can ask the school for a list of study material while they are absent.

I thought the poster was saying why should children miss school because someone in their class is being tested - not because they are being tested. I don't think anyone on here (or any sane person) is arguing that a child should be sent into school while awaiting results?!

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 10:38AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

He does nothing except complain, repeat "optics!" over and over and accuse people of teacher bashing or being jealous of his holidays if they don't agree with him. Oh, and call new staff at his school "randomers" when the principal hasn't run the new hire by him, even though they're replacing people out on Covid related leave. Optics, sure.

I'd love to know how his three colleagues with gastro picked it up though, if they're distancing from each other and practicing good hygiene.

Teacher bashing and holidays ehh. Definitely mixing me up with someone else. Show me the quotes where I say this over and over?

Teachers call non qualified people put in classrooms "randomers".

You do know people can pick up gastro issues outside of schools.

Anyway pick away to your heart's content if it makes you feel good about yourself ðŸ‘

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 10:41AM

DSN wrote: »

I thought the poster was saying why should children miss school because someone in their class is being tested - not because they are being tested. I don't think anyone on here (or any sane person) is arguing that a child should be sent into school while awaiting results?!

That poster was.

Neyite · 22-09-2020 10:53AM

DSN wrote: »

I thought the poster was saying why should children miss school because someone in their class is being tested - not because they are being tested. I don't think anyone on here (or any sane person) is arguing that a child should be sent into school while awaiting results?!

Sorry, just read back there - I thought the post I was responding to was in response to the tweet linked on some posts back where a parent continued to send the child in while awaiting a test and not informing the school until after the fact.

But it seems it was in response to WirelessDude's post about their student.

Lillyfae · 22-09-2020 11:01AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Teachers call non qualified people put in classrooms "randomers".

I would argue that rude people do this. You don't know anything about those people except for what you've most likely heard through gossip. Ypu've already said that nobody told you about it, so you weren't included in the hiring process, so it's none of your business. As long as they have sufficient child protection education and clearance you should not be complaining about assistance in keeping the schools running.

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You do know people can pick up gastro issues outside of schools.

Much like Covid, then? Doesn't really address their hand hygiene though.

Blondini · 22-09-2020 11:04AM

alroley wrote: »

Sounds like your kids would need all the education they can get.

The weird thing is that he doesn't have children. He just likes to prowl around this thread talking about children and schools. Odd.

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 11:07AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

I would argue that rude people do this. You don't know anything about those people except for what you've most likely heard through gossip. Ypu've already said that nobody told you about it, so you weren't included in the hiring process, so it's none of your business. As long as they have sufficient child protection education and clearance you should not be complaining about assistance in keeping the schools running.

Much like Covid, then? Doesn't really address their hand hygiene though.

Gastro doesn't always equate to hand hygiene. Contaminated food for instance is another way.

Anyway I know one of them is an SNA, not a qualified teacher. The other two I've never met before but colleagues said they aren't qualified teachers. As a union the INTO keep a record of how many days unqualified people are put into classrooms during each school year so that it can be presented to government. Hence why we keep an eye on these things.

I notice you didn't respond to the teacher bashing and holidays barb as you aimed it at someone who doesn't go down that road.

Anyway hope Holland is treating you well.

Lillyfae · 22-09-2020 11:15AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Gastro doesn't always equate to hand hygiene. Contaminated food for instance is another way.

Anyway I know one of them is an SNA, not a qualified teacher. The other two I've never met before but colleagues said they aren't qualified teachers. As a union the INTO keep a record of how many days unqualified people are put into classrooms during each school year so that it can be presented to government. Hence why we keep an eye on these things.

I notice you didn't respond to the teacher bashing and holidays barb as you aimed it at someone who doesn't go down that road.

Anyway hope Holland is treating you well.

What are the chances of 3 colleagues contracting Gastro from 3 different sources? Unbelievable!

I'm not going to trawl through all 3 million of your posts complaining about anything and everything and attacking people who aren't 100% aligned to your way of thinking, anyone who's following this thread has seen it.

Did you get into teaching just to get into the union, though? Because it seems to take up way more of your energy than actually teaching children.

22-09-2020 11:20AM

washman3 wrote: »

I don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading this.!!

She still had a bad cough and was feeling ill. Of course I would still keep her off school. I wanted to be sure she wasn't infectious. Just because she didn't have covid doesn't mean she couldn't give something to another child.

Plus, because she is so young, her classmates may not be comfortable sitting beside someone who is coughing and snotting with everything you see in the news.

But sure, laugh or cry as you see fit.

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 11:25AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

What are the chances of 3 colleagues contracting Gastro from 3 different sources? Unbelievable!

I'm not going to trawl through all 3 million of your posts complaining about anything and everything and attacking people who aren't 100% aligned to your way of thinking, anyone who's following this thread has seen it.

Did you get into teaching just to get into the union, though? Because it seems to take up way more of your energy than actually teaching children.

Of course. Everyone goes into teaching to become a member of the INTO.

Where am I attacking anyone?

You're definitely confusing me others. I don't attack people, I don't play the whole teacher bashing card, as for holidays well they are part of the package.

22-09-2020 11:26AM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Have a coffee.
Take your time.
Read it again.
Understand it this time.

I did.

I stand by what I said.

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 11:33AM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Only around the start of August really, which was probably down to all the staycations etc. Much bigger jump in the last 2 weeks though.

Have you heard of exponential growth?

Boggles · 22-09-2020 11:36AM

Deleted User wrote: »

She still had a bad cough and was feeling ill. Of course I would still keep her off school. I wanted to be sure she wasn't infectious. Just because she didn't have covid doesn't mean she couldn't give something to another child.

Plus, because she is so young, her classmates may not be comfortable sitting beside someone who is coughing and snotting with everything you see in the news.

But sure, laugh or cry as you see fit.

The GPs recommend an extra 2 days after a "negative" test.

All though I think the HSE refer to it as a "non positive" test.

You did the right thing.

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 11:39AM

Boggles wrote: »

The GPs recommend an extra 2 days after a "negative" test.

All though I think the HSE refer to it as a "non positive" test.

You did the right thing.

Yes they recommend to keep them out of 48hrs after a negative test.

teachinggal123 · 22-09-2020 11:45AM

There are a lot of teachers on this thread and other threads on the teaching forum. Lots of posts.

Serious question - where are you all getting the time to be on Boards all day? Are you not working? I literally haven’t had a spare second since we got back, and certainly don’t have the time spend most of my day reading/bickering/posting on a discussion forum.

History Queen · 22-09-2020 11:47AM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

There are a lot of teachers on this thread and other threads on the teaching forum. Lots of posts.

Serious question - where are you all getting the time to be on Boards all day? Are you not working? I literally haven’t had a spare second since we got back, and certainly don’t have the time spend most of my day reading/bickering/posting on a discussion forum.

some of us are on leave

teachinggal123 · 22-09-2020 11:48AM

History Queen wrote: »

some of us are on leave

So the teachers posting on Boards today and over the last few days are on leave?

Right.

Will Yam · 22-09-2020 11:48AM

Lillyfae wrote: »

So the possibility of being "pressured out" of the running to sit on the board of a quango trumps public health concerns? I'd feel so sorry for a person like that :rolleyes:.

I really do think there are schools/ principals/ teachers pulling out all the stops to make sure the needs and wellbeing, both physical and mental, of children and staff are being met. That's where the discrepancies in the anecdotes here really lie. Schools with a beaut like the above being described, who should not be anywhere near education in the first place, are the ones where there will never be enough money, staff, space etc etc because somebody cares more about their own success than children's education, health, wellbeing or that of their colleagues.

Well said.

It is actually very difficult to know exactly whats going on. I have one family member in school - everything is going very well, very positive attitude etc. But undoubtedly there are cases where things are not so good.

The DES are not in any way purer than the driven snow - thats for sure. And I would take what they say with a pinch of salt.

On the other hand, imo, the teachers unions - especially asti - are just as bad. They have form, and its a little bit like the boy who cries wolf. If you acquire a reputation for endlessly complaining - and ballotting for industrial action - then its hardly surprising when there is a genuine concern it may well be dismissed as more whinging.

So we dont really know where the truth lies in the round.

History Queen · 22-09-2020 11:49AM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

So the teachers posting on Boards today and over the last few days are on leave?

Right.

well I am. Are you?

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 11:50AM

History Queen wrote: »

some of us are on leave

Exactly. I won't be inside my classroom for a good while.

History Queen · 22-09-2020 11:52AM

Will Yam wrote: »

Well said.

It is actually very difficult to know exactly whats going on. I have one family member in school - everything is going very well, very positive attitude etc. But undoubtedly there are cases where things are not so good.

The DES are not in any way purer than the driven snow - thats for sure. And I would take what they say with a pinch of salt.

On the other hand, imo, the teachers unions - especially asti - are just as bad. They have form, and its a little bit like the boy who cries wolf. If you acquire a reputation for endlessly complaining - and ballotting for industrial action - then its hardly surprising when there is a genuine concern it may well be dismissed as more whinging.

So we dont really know where the truth lies in the round.

To be fair to the asti, if i recall correctly, almost all of their ballots in the last few years have been related to pay inequality, which is still an issue almost a decade after it was first introduced. You would expect them to stay fighting for something that is still an issue.

teachinggal123 · 22-09-2020 11:53AM

Haha ... teachers saying they worked 14 hour days and that “all” of them worked as hard as they could during lockdown now spending all day posting/arguing on Boards when the schools are back!!!

You couldn’t fkuuing make it up.

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 11:54AM

Will Yam wrote: »

Well said.

It is actually very difficult to know exactly whats going on. I have one family member in school - everything is going very well, very positive attitude etc. But undoubtedly there are cases where things are not so good.

The DES are not in any way purer than the driven snow - thats for sure. And I would take what they say with a pinch of salt.

On the other hand, imo, the teachers unions - especially asti - are just as bad. They have form, and its a little bit like the boy who cries wolf. If you acquire a reputation for endlessly complaining - and ballotting for industrial action - then its hardly surprising when there is a genuine concern it may well be dismissed as more whinging.

So we dont really know where the truth lies in the round.

As a primary school teacher looking at the ASTI statement the question I asked myself was ""What are they looking to achieve? What is the end goal they want?".
The statement covered a lot.

History Queen · 22-09-2020 11:55AM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Haha ... teachers saying they worked 14 hour days and that “all” of them worked as hard as they could during lockdown now spending all day posting/arguing on Boards when the schools are back!!!

You couldn’t fkuuing make it up.

Who is that directed at?

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 11:57AM

History Queen wrote: »

Who is that directed at?

Must be you cause it can't be me!!!

History Queen · 22-09-2020 11:58AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

As a primary school teacher looking at the ASTI statement the question I asked myself was ""What are they looking to achieve? What is the end goal they want?".
The statement covered a lot.

I did think that too. It'll be interesting to see the wording of the ballot. Also interesting to see if TUI go down the same line.

History Queen · 22-09-2020 12:01PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Must be you cause it can't be me!!!

Not sure it's me either unless mixing me up with another poster?

selectamatic · 22-09-2020 12:02PM

Parents not informing schools of their kids getting tests or parents refusing to remove sick kids should be reported to tusla.

Nothing will be done initially but if problems continue to arise some sort of action might be taken. But it's important to log each discretion.

wirelessdude01 · 22-09-2020 12:02PM

History Queen wrote: »

I did think that too. It'll be interesting to see the wording of the ballot. Also interesting to see if TUI go down the same line.

Well we all know that the TUI much like my own union don't have much steal in them.

22-09-2020 12:04PM

teachinggal123 wrote: »

Haha ... teachers saying they worked 14 hour days and that “all” of them worked as hard as they could during lockdown now spending all day posting/arguing on Boards when the schools are back!!!

You couldn’t fkuuing make it up.

Yet you just did

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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