Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

MadYaker wrote: »

You just keep posting the same incorrect stuff again and again and again. I have shown you facts and evidence and you just continue on the same flawed line of reasoning so I guess it’s a dead end for you. The pandemic will continue and restrictions will continue and you’ll still be tearing your hair out unable to fathom what’s actually going on. I’d imagine it’s very frustrating. You also persist with saying anyone who doesn’t agree with you wants the situation to get worse or is somehow in favour of more restrictions which is just plain ignorance. Maybe it makes it easier for people to just blame NPHET and the government for everything because the reality is too complicated or scary to comprehend?

You can throw out all the childish insults you like, it won't change the reality that of 32000-odd cases to date over a period of 6 months, less than 1800 have died in a country of 5 million.

Nor will it change the fact that the majority of those deaths were very elderly and/or with serious underlying illnesses, or that that number was unforgiveably inflated by the mess that was made of the handling of nursing homes.

It also won't change the fact that hospital admissions remain low and stable, ICU cases even lower, and the unfortunate deaths that do occur are lower again. This has been the case for months and remains so , despite the increased cases over the last few 4 weeks and despite the 2 week incubation period. In other words, if the virus was as deadly to everyone as is being said we should be seeing a corresponding surge in critical cases and deaths in the last few weeks - but we're not, and this is a VERY GOOD THING, no?

Now please tell me what in the above is incorrect? We've already had nox state his calculations are based on cases not population. Even THEN the serious or fatal outcomes are very low.

So given the above.. What exactly are you afraid of? Because unless you're in the known vulnerable age group and medically at risk category, you will almost certainly be fine as indeed will almost everyone else in the country.

No one has said Covid doesn't present significant risk to some. No one has said those people shouldn't protect themselves and be supported in doing so, but we cannot continue to make decisions about the country and wider society and the economy based on a thankfully small number of people who can be protected without flushing those other factors down the drain for years to come.

walus wrote: »

Yes, you are great at maths, indeed. Jesus lads, will someone tell him? I just don’t have enough will power.

You are wasting your time. You just haven’t realised it yet. Before covid paralysis set in, he had clocked up thousands of posts on these forums, the vast majority of them being focused on his favourite pass-time - going on the lash. All weekend benders. Absolutely massive sessions. Week long weddings. Drink driving boasts. This is who you’re arguing with. No matter the subject matter it’s always the same - everyone he knows does exactly as he does and thinks exactly like he does and we are the outliers.

Eventually covid will go away and something else will come along that he’ll form an extreme viewpoint on and a few thousand more angry posts will clock up. And the pubs opened today. The fact that he’s here arguing with anonymous posters on an Internet forum and not sinking a few pints does show his resolve if nothing else. The irony of him in here calling people idiots, the gall to lecture anyone on the subject of health and wellbeing or their regard for the health and well-being of others is too much for me to comprehend.

hynesie08 wrote: »

Ireland has 33,121 positive tests, the reality is we have no idea how many cases we've actually had, it's also been confirmed by big Leo that we may have overstated the death rate, so we actually have no idea what the death rate is. But yeah, keep saying it....

If we were to believe the German model roughly 500k people had covid in Ireland already. Possibly even more.

Be conscious of vulnerable and maintain all the individual measures to keep them safe. Let the virus run its natural course through the rest of society ASAP. The sooner we do that the sooner the vulnerable will be safe.

Penfailed wrote: »

I thought we were the only place in the world with tight restrictions...? You'd think so reading this thread. Here's Melbourne \/\/\/

Everyone knows about Melbourne. It's been all over the media. Impossible to miss.

I guess as most people on here are living in Ireland that's where the focus mainly is for this thread.

Hard to believe, but there you go. :rolleyes:

Lundstram wrote: »

What about the other 150+ countries with few if any restrictions? Doesn't suit the narrative to mention them, does it?

My point is, a few posters were apoplectic with rage in here when we had distance restrictions and were certain that we were the only country to do so (even though it also was the case in Wales)

We were the last country in Europe to open pubs. Doesn't suit your narratie either.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but they're still not open in the north until Wednesday

We are one of a handful of countries that make kids wear masks while sitting in a classroom. Doesn't suit your narrative again.

Lots of countries actually have people wearing masks outdoors...imagine!

You hand pick a country on the other side of the world but blatently ignore what the vast majority are doing.

I didn't hand pick a country on the other side of the world. I was scrolling through Facebook and saw a screenshot of a tweet and thought that it would be apt to show people in here that we don't actually have it too bad

You're fooling no one.

Who's the fool?

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I don't know why I'm even bothering responding to you to be honest, but this nonsense needs to be called out.

Watch the news or stick on the radio. The fear out there is real and the damage its doing to people's mental health is very real. And it's unjustified and only exacerbating the situation.

All your childish digs (and it's a common thing among the "lockdown" advocates) doesn't change that - just exposes your argument for the paper-thin waffle it is.

if that was an attempt to call out "nonsense" then it has failed, spectacularly.
i watch the news and i am an avid radio listener, all i hear is facts and information.
the odd few may be in fear but most are not, most are getting on while being aware of the situation and taking the precautions and following the guidelines.
facts cannot be waffle or paper thin, it's just not possible for that to be the case otherwise they wouldn't be facts.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

We had no deaths today and single digits over the last weeks - despite the "surge" in cases and passing the various incubation periods.

Something doesn't add up. What I honestly don't understand is why people like yourself continue to fight against this - surely this is a good thing? Do you WANT more people to get sick and die?

As I keep saying, and will continue to do so, new cases means nothing. Outcome of cases is the important metric and that continues to be overwhelming positive.

But people WILL unfortunately die. That's inevitable. We cannot however continue to put the needs of a thankfully small minority (who can far more effectively be protected through personal responsibility and help from their GP where needed) ahead of the needs of the majority and the economy/society at large.

we are not and never have put the needs of a minority (who can't far more effectively be protected through personal responsibility as personal responsibility cannot protect against something which if left unchecked has high community transmission) ahead of the needs of the majority and the economy/society at large.
help from one's gp is likely already happening anyway or at least if not it should be, but that's a separate issue to personal responsibility which is not going to work in this situation without community transmission suppression.
what we have done is take a balanced approach of virus suppression and management so that the economy can keep going at a basic level, because without virus suppression the likely hood is the economy would collapse altogether.
putting the economy ahead of managing the virus was not and is not possible, it's not deliverable.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Deaths.. We're over 6 months into this and still less than 2000 - which is great considering the predictions at the start!

The reality is that this virus is nowhere near as deadly as was feared and given we know now more about who actually IS at risk and the vast majority that aren't, a combination of personal responsibility and common sense will hopefully see us through without seeing that feared surge in deaths.

But I still fail to see why people like yourself are so against this position. Some here almost WANT it to be worse it seems.

it's the people crowing about personal responsibility who seem to be actually against such an approach given they are railing against the very approach that is trying to encourage such to happen and has always encouraged such to happen.
advice was given and some guidelines were issued, most comply but a small number which add up to enough to make things a problem don't, so we end up with more restrictions.

weldoninhio wrote: »

So the stuff you claimed didn’t happen, did happen and you want to move the goalposts. No wonder no one takes your posts seriously.

he never claimed that they didn't happen, it was you who claimed they were happening on a huge scale throughout the lock down, which wasn't true and he called that out.
you then provided articles to try and claim that they were happening on a huge scale during the lockdown, for which he then pointed out that those incidents either happened before lockdown (which they did) and there were a couple of other isolated incidents (which there were)
so, he can absolutely be taken seriously.

Penfailed wrote: »

Yet people were ranting and raving in here that we were the only place in the world with restricted movements.

Really? Who claimed that?

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Sorry Pen gotta agree with OP. You are fooling nobody.

With what?

Penfailed wrote: »

Ah, my old friend Ginger and Lemon, amongst others.

Dont go there pal.... people in this thread will never forget you saying Tyrone is part of republic of Ireland.

On a more serious note - real question to you, has any meat plant worker died in Republic of Ireland? Last time I checked only 7/1,100 went to ICU and then were discharged. Wondering if you kept on top of things.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

On a separate note, I've heard yesterday from a health care worker that a person who broke her leg was admitted to their hospital for treatment, but had to do a covid test that came back positive (she had no idea as had no symptoms). She has been counted as a hospitalised covid case - can someone please confirm where description of primary purpose of hospitalisations occurring is reported?

I have a bad feeling prof Nolan & our friend Ronan misrepresent the reason for hospitalisations... just wondering if reason for hospitalisations in Ireland is available on HSE website?

Can anyone respond to above post? I am getting concerned to have gotten no answer still, this should be pretty straightforward and readily available on HSE website? Couldnt find anything on it.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Can anyone respond to above post? I am getting concerned to have gotten no answer still, this should be pretty straightforward and readily available on HSE website? Couldnt find anything on it.

I had always presumed that anyone in hospital who tested positive was a “hospital case” regardless of where they got it.... and reported in the same manner as “died of covid” as opposed to “died with covid”

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I had always presumed that anyone in hospital who tested positive was a “hospital case” regardless of where they got it.... and reported in the same manner as “died of covid” as opposed to “died with covid”

So we can have people going to hospitals with broken legs or other injuries, getting the mandatory covid test, testing positive (while displaying no symptoms and not being in a hospital for "covid treatment") and then Ronan Glynn saying on RTE at 6 o clock that covid hospitalizations are increasing?