Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Denny61 · 21-09-2020 07:04PM

BoatMad wrote: »

If you don’t know , then you react as if it’s not occurring

When u hear hooves think horses not zebras

Equally , we don’t know when the zombie apocalypse is coming but sanity suggests we don’t lock ourselves indoors in antipication just yet , mind you if NPHET has a chance ......

You watching too many of the WALKING DEAD episodes...its clearly affecting you.

road_high · 21-09-2020 07:05PM

Blondini wrote: »

Covid tough-guy act is really fcucking pathetic.

Nah not tough just dont give a ****e about Covid. And none of your guilt tripping drivel will change that. Now go lock yourself up and watch George lee on loop with the rest of the Covid loopers.

road_high · 21-09-2020 07:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You are infatuated at the thought of re-infection, I've never seen such an obsession

They all are. They get off on the misery

Jay Dee · 21-09-2020 07:06PM

Hi,

I was using the " Ireland's COVID-19 Data Hub" to identify where within a county the cases were.
Using the " Profile of County Statistics ".
Now, for some reason it will not show this information any more.
Has the layout changed ?
Or more likely, am I doing something wrong ??
It has been awhile since I used it ....

Thanks

Jay

growleaves · 21-09-2020 07:07PM

BoatMad wrote: »

If you don’t know , then you react as if it’s not occurring

When u hear hooves think horses not zebras

Equally , we don’t know when the zombie apocalypse is coming but sanity suggests we don’t lock ourselves indoors in antipication just yet , mind you if NPHET has a chance ......

It isn't normative for coronaviruses anyway.

Rare instances of after-effects are about the same as for other diseases, e.g. influenza, glandular fever etc. So what if you found one or two healthy 20 year olds who died? Healthy twenty year olds can die from bacterial infections too.

What can you say about posters who use the word 'novel' as a wildcard to push unlikely scenarios but have little or no evidence to base them on? I think some of them are paid to post here.

Goldrickssan · 21-09-2020 07:08PM

road_high wrote: »

They all are. They get off on the misery

Pat Mustard was clearly far busier with Mrs Doyle than the show suggests.

Some amount of misery loving cretins around

BoatMad · 21-09-2020 07:10PM

growleaves wrote: »

It isn't normative for coronaviruses anyway.

Rare instances of after-effects are about the same as for other diseases, e.g. influenza, glandular fever etc. So what if you found one or two healthy 20 year olds who died? Healthy twenty year olds can die from bacterial infections too.

What can you say about posters who use the word 'novel' as a wildcard to push unlikely scenarios but have little or no evidence to base them on? I think some of them are paid to post here.

Correct , we base our response largely from actual experience , we evacuate an area because “ we know “ a hurricane does damage , etc. We don’t evacuate an area because we might think this unknown wind we’ve never seen before might damage things !!!

road_high · 21-09-2020 07:12PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Maitiu O Tuathail anyway. He’s not even an expert in the field - he’s just a GP. Though he seems to be fond of a bit of self-promotion, so it’s no surprise he’s trying to get his name out there.

A shameless Covid self promotion charlatan. Literally dozens of these pound shop experts doing the rounds. Varying reasons for their “concern” ranging from cultivating media and political interests to business self interest.
Covid is the easiest vehicle for self promotion ever to land in their laps- yet cases rise and rise. Not one of them have a breeze as to how to limit the virus as of course you literally can’t stop a naturally occurring endemic respiratory virus.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 07:12PM

Major new study published in the highly esteemed 'Cell' journal predicts higher immunity in the public than previous antibody related studies suggest.

A new study from Karolinska Institutet and Karolinska University Hospital shows that many people with mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 demonstrate so-called T-cell-mediated immunity to the new coronavirus, even if they have not tested positively for antibodies. According to the researchers, this means that public immunity is probably higher than antibody tests suggest. The article has been published in the esteemed scientific journal Cell.
https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-19-is-probably-higher-than-tests-have-shown

petes · 21-09-2020 07:15PM

road_high wrote: »

Nah not tough just dont give a ****e about Covid. And none of your guilt tripping drivel will change that. Now go lock yourself up and watch George lee on loop with the rest of the Covid loopers.

Your hysterics are just as bad as anything I've seen posted.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 07:15PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Major new study published in the highly esteemed 'Cell' journal predicts higher immunity in the public than previous antibody related studies suggest.

A new study from Karolinska Institutet and Karolinska University Hospital shows that many people with mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 demonstrate so-called T-cell-mediated immunity to the new coronavirus, even if they have not tested positively for antibodies. According to the researchers, this means that public immunity is probably higher than antibody tests suggest. The article has been published in the esteemed scientific journal Cell.
https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-19-is-probably-higher-than-tests-have-shown

Few notes on this:
- "roughly 30 per cent of the blood donors who’d given blood in May 2020 had COVID-19-specific T cells, a figure that’s much higher than previous antibody tests have shown."
- "The T-cell response was consistent with measurements taken after vaccination with approved vaccines for other viruses. Patients with severe COVID-19 often developed a strong T-cell response and an antibody response; in those with milder symptoms it was not always possible to detect an antibody response, but despite this many still showed a marked T-cell response."
- “Our results indicate that public immunity to COVID-19 is probably significantly higher than antibody tests have suggested,” says Professor Hans-Gustaf Ljunggren at the Center for Infectious Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, and co-senior author. “If this is the case, it is of course very good news from a public health perspective.” T-cell analyses are more complicated to perform than antibody tests and at present are therefore only done in specialised laboratories, such as that at the Center for Infectious Medicine at Karolinska Institutet."

Link to the paper: https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(20)31008-4

road_high · 21-09-2020 07:18PM

petes wrote: »

Your hysterics are just as bad as anything I've seen posted.

So, why would I care? I don’t know what you post, I dont follow your posts and couldn’t care less what you think or post.

Necro · 21-09-2020 07:18PM

road_high wrote: »

Nah not tough just dont give a ****e about Covid. And none of your guilt tripping drivel will change that. Now go lock yourself up and watch George lee on loop with the rest of the Covid loopers.

If you don't care about Covid why do you keep posting in the Covid forum? Seems a bit redundant.

petes · 21-09-2020 07:20PM

road_high wrote: »

So, why would I care? I don’t know what you post, I dont follow your posts and couldn’t care less what you think or post.

You really should see someone about your mental health, your posts really make you come across like there is something you need to look in to.

There are some people who are at the extreme of both sides and both should be looking to talk to someone about it!

What Username Guidelines · 21-09-2020 07:22PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You are infatuated at the thought of re-infection, I've never seen such an obsession

Never seen such an obsession? Bit hyperbolic.

I’m fascinated with how some news is treated in here. “No evidence of reinfection at all after 15m cases. It doesn’t happen” changes to “false positives” changes to “that’s just one out of 20m” to “that’s just a dozen out of 30m” to people now “**** over misery”

Thinking about it objectively, at least 4.5m, likely more, Irish people have managed to *avoid* this virus, in the last 6/7 months. So it’s even more likely that confirmed cases will also have avoided being exposed a second time. Also, if you have a mild case initially or as reinfection it may go unnoticed as reinfection. Given it’s possible, it’s worth at least keeping an eye on it.

Funny though as those who try and explain stuff away or bury their head in the sand are never written off as “**** in their ignorance”

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 07:23PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Never seen such an obsession? Bit hyperbolic.

I’m fascinated with how some news is treated in here. “No evidence of reinfection at all after 15m cases. It doesn’t happen” changes to “false positives” changes to “that’s just one out of 20m” to “that’s just a dozen out of 30m” to people now “**** over misery”

Thinking about it objectively, at least 4.5m, likely more, Irish people have managed to *avoid* this virus, in the last 6/7 months. So it’s even more likely that confirmed cases will also have avoided being exposed a second time. Also, if you have a mild case initially or as reinfection it may go unnoticed as reinfection. Given it’s possible, it’s worth at least keeping an eye on it.

Funny though as those who try and explain stuff away or bury their head in the sand are never written off as “**** in their ignorance”

You've had your eyes closed for the past 3 months if you think that poster is doing anything other than posting the most doom Tweets they can find.

road_high · 21-09-2020 07:23PM

Necro wrote: »

If you don't care about Covid why do you keep posting in the Covid forum? Seems a bit redundant.

I dont care about the “killer” virus no. But I do care immensely about the damage the restrictions are doing to the health, mental health, economic wellbeing of the nation.
Some of us are able to differentiate between the two because we see the destruction this complexly overblown mass hysteria that so many are indulging in is doing.
So I’ll post away here- I know the coviders can’t bare other opinions or to hear how utterly useless all your beloved restrictions are

Blondini · 21-09-2020 07:24PM

Another day with no deaths. Positive news.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 07:26PM

Blondini wrote: »

Another day with no deaths. Positive news.

HeyV · 21-09-2020 07:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I worked in a pharmacy up until February. Never seen so many sick people. Not sure if anyone here knows Bronchostop, the popular cough bottle, but it went out of circulation over Christmas, especially the kids version. May not have been COVID, may have been, but there was something very funky going around Cork from October on.
Not sure why you're disputing an opinion from nurses? Nobody said there was evidence. It's anecdotal.

I remember going to my local chemist in February and they gave me this for a persistent cough that would just not fcuk off! I got 2 bottles the same week.
I always have the same routine anytime I’m sick... starts off with a runny nose on day one, sneezing constantly for the next 2 days and so, tails off with a bit of a sore throat and then I’m grand.
But I was literally coughing non-stop for a week or so that time, not a productive cough just a constant dry cough. I was about a fortnight home from a trip to Frankfurt when this happened and I’ve often thought afterwards that I could possibly have had it back then... I don’t know. One of the other girls in work started this coughing too shortly after me and we were often jokingly saying ‘oh, we must have it’

Just often wonder about it... they say there’s proof it couldn’t have been here back then but it was really not my pattern of usual sickness

podgeandrodge · 21-09-2020 07:26PM

Dublin restrictions. You can't travel to another county even as part of a group of 2 people that won't be meeting anyone else.

Professor Philip Nolan has said that limiting contacts is a primary defence in combating the virus, as well as prioritising social contacts, reducing them and keeping distance from people.

But if in Dublin you can reduce social contacts to zero but still can't travel.

But from today, people arriving in Ireland from Cyprus, Finland, Germany, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland can go wherever they want, presumably because those countries have good figures.

Very blunt instrument. I'd understand a smaller limit in any group more than this, at least it could apply nationally and for incoming travellers as well.

Zebra3 · 21-09-2020 07:28PM

Blondini wrote: »

Another day with no deaths. Positive news.

Yes, but....

[Insert fear mongering quote here].

road_high · 21-09-2020 07:28PM

petes wrote: »

You really should see someone about your mental health, your posts really make you come across like there is something you need to look in to.

There are some people who are at the extreme of both sides and both should be looking to talk to someone about it!

Nah mentally spot on thanks- I don’t need some cornflake box psycho analyst to tell me that.
You’re typical of the Covid hysterical
Ilk- you’ll (Try) shut down anyone you disagree with by labelling them as mentally ill- it’s about as low as a person can get and a favoured tactic of dictators and fascists for generations to silence opposition.

growleaves · 21-09-2020 07:29PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Never seen such an obsession? Bit hyperbolic.

I’m fascinated with how some news is treated in here. “No evidence of reinfection at all after 15m cases. It doesn’t happen” changes to “false positives” changes to “that’s just one out of 20m” to “that’s just a dozen out of 30m” to people now “**** over misery”

Thinking about it objectively, at least 4.5m, likely more, Irish people have managed to *avoid* this virus, in the last 6/7 months. So it’s even more likely that confirmed cases will also have avoided being exposed a second time. Also, if you have a mild case initially or as reinfection it may go unnoticed as reinfection. Given it’s possible, it’s worth at least keeping an eye on it.

Yeah that an unusual and unlikely complication could occur is worth keeping an eye on. To act like it is fifty-fifty or very likely is a form of deniable dishonesty though. And the posters who "worry" about this also "worry" about other unlikely scenarios coming to fruition (with little or no evidence). Invariably these posters are not trusted and people wonder what their motives are or mock them.

Funny though as those who try and explain stuff away or bury their head in the sand are never written off as “**** in their ignorance”

In fact a while back someone said "These threads are perfect except for about ten **** who come in posting crap" (meaning that me and around nine other people were jumping in with sceptical viewpoints). So there you go.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 07:29PM

New study in Karachi, Pakistan has current seroprevelance at 36% - estimated 5,367,600 cases in the city, despite Pakistan as a whole having 306,000 confirmed.
https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/advance-article/doi/10.1093/pubmed/fdaa170/5906459

Necro · 21-09-2020 07:30PM

road_high wrote: »

I dont care about the “killer” virus no. But I do care immensely about the damage the restrictions are doing to the health, mental health, economic wellbeing of the nation.
Some of us are able to differentiate between the two because we see the destruction this complexly overblown mass hysteria that so many are indulging in is doing.
So I’ll post away here- I know the coviders can’t bare other opinions or to hear how utterly useless all your beloved restrictions are

If you're worried about mental health turn off the interwebs dude. Ranting away here isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.

Gruffalux · 21-09-2020 07:32PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I’m fascinated with how some news is treated in here....

Funny though as those who try and explain stuff away or bury their head in the sand are never written off as “**** in their ignorance”

I have been fascinated how from day 1 of thread 1 people have accused others of masturbating in glee over bad stuff. It has been phrased in so many ways and fantastically embellished. There were nettles involved at least once. I have a vague memory of barbed wire as an addition but don't quote me on that. It is so weird.

normanoffside · 21-09-2020 07:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Major new study published in the highly esteemed 'Cell' journal predicts higher immunity in the public than previous antibody related studies suggest.

A new study from Karolinska Institutet and Karolinska University Hospital shows that many people with mild or asymptomatic COVID-19 demonstrate so-called T-cell-mediated immunity to the new coronavirus, even if they have not tested positively for antibodies. According to the researchers, this means that public immunity is probably higher than antibody tests suggest. The article has been published in the esteemed scientific journal Cell.
https://news.ki.se/immunity-to-covid-19-is-probably-higher-than-tests-have-shown

Prof Nolan was banging on today that Serology tests show that they only caught 1 in 3 infections during the early phase of the virus and is basing all his maths and fatality rates off that, when it is clearly at least 1 in 20 or 30.

T-Cell immunity has been known about and talked about for a long time but our Scientists in NPHET just ignore it.

podgeandrodge · 21-09-2020 07:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

New study in Karachi, Pakistan has current seroprevelance at 36% - estimated 5,367,600 cases in the city, despite Pakistan as a whole having 306,000 confirmed.
https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/advance-article/doi/10.1093/pubmed/fdaa170/5906459

The more people hear this sort of stuff, if it appears to turn out to be valid, the more people will want lockdowns to cease and keep to just basic precautions and live again.

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I think if there were a hypothetical referendum on "lockdown" or "let it rip/watch yourself if you're vulnerable/social distancing/hand washing by everyone", the latter would win. Regardless of threat to health service or deaths being front loaded.

That's what I think. Not making a moral judgement.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 07:33PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Prof Nolan was banging on today that Serology tests show that they only caught 1 in 3 infections during the early phase of the virus and is basing all his maths and fatality rates off that, when it is clearly at least 1 in 20 or 30.

T-Cell immunity has been known about and talked about for a long time but our Scientists in NPHET just ignore it.

The Irish seroprevelance study is the biggest load of tripe I've ever seen, to be honest.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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