Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

drunkmonkey · 21-09-2020 02:47PM

fits wrote: »

One of my 3 year olds is wearing them in shops now. Absolutely no prompting from us. Just announced he wanted to wear one at the weekend. (I had bought them in Aldi to have in case things get a lot worse and they were sitting there).

I don't think he has much awareness of the virus but obviously something is getting through to him. Its a little sad really.

That's pretty sad to hear, there not recommend for kids. I'm sure plenty here think fair play and they'd like more of it though so i'm probably out on my own saying I don't think it's right to encourage them.

Advice on the use of masks in children
WHO and UNICEF advise decision makers to apply the following criteria for use of masks in children when developing national
policies, in countries or areas where there is known or suspected community transmissiona of SARS-CoV-2 and in settings where
physical distancing cannot be achieved.
1. Based on the expert opinion gathered through online meetings and consultative processes, children aged up to five years
should not wear masks for source control. This advice is motivated by a “do no harm” approach and considers:
• childhood developmental milestonesb 41
• compliance challenges and
• autonomy required to use a mask properly.

21-09-2020 02:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Per 100,000 hospitalisation rate last week:
25 counties: 0.21

Dublin: 1.77

Would hospitalisation in Dublin be wholly from Dublin residents. Is it likely residents from neighbouring counties end up in a Dublin hospital. After all it is our capital and some of the best if not the best hospitals in the country. I know pre covid a lot of people with serious conditions could end up in a Dublin hospital due to better expertise economies of scale etc.

iamwhoiam · 21-09-2020 02:49PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would hospitalisation in Dublin be wholly from Dublin residents. Is it likely residents from neighbouring c counties and up.in a Dublin hospital. After all it is our capital and some of the best of not the best hospitals in the country. I know pre covid a lot of people with serious conditions could end up in a Dublin hospital due to better expertise economies of scale etc.

Yes absolutely it could . Patients from Wicklow , Kildare , Meath , and Laois would often end up in Dublin hospitals

fits · 21-09-2020 02:50PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's pretty sad to hear, there not recommend for kids. I'm sure plenty here think fair play and they'd like more of it though so i'm probably out on my own saying I don't think it's right to encourage them.

Advice on the use of masks in children
WHO and UNICEF advise decision makers to apply the following criteria for use of masks in children when developing national
policies, in countries or areas where there is known or suspected community transmissiona of SARS-CoV-2 and in settings where
physical distancing cannot be achieved.
1. Based on the expert opinion gathered through online meetings and consultative processes, children aged up to five years
should not wear masks for source control. This advice is motivated by a “do no harm” approach and considers:
• childhood developmental milestonesb 41
• compliance challenges and
• autonomy required to use a mask properly.

Thanks for that. I would certainly not encourage it or mandate that other kids use them. He is very much leading on this and thats fine.

My other 3 year old has no interest and I wouldnt even try with him.

Funsterdelux · 21-09-2020 02:50PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Heard that today, didn't know what business.

When you mentioned Wilton, the shopping centre was the first thing that sprang to mind.

fits · 21-09-2020 02:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Would hospitalisation in Dublin be wholly from Dublin residents. Is it likely residents from neighbouring counties end up in a Dublin hospital. After all it is our capital and some of the best if not the best hospitals in the country. I know pre covid a lot of people with serious conditions could end up in a Dublin hospital due to better expertise economies of scale etc.

Some cases in Carlow were hospitalised in Dublin too.

big syke · 21-09-2020 02:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The average of 20 and 28 = ~25
Dublin is rising rapidly, while the rest of the country has remained around the 25 mark.

20th Sep: 28
19th Sep: 24
18th Sep: 26
17th Sep: 26
16th Sep: 25

Am I wrong?

Sure now your moving the goal posts again.

You first said from 13th - 20th. Now its from the 16th.

Dublin is increasing. So is the rest of the country.

60+% vs 40%. Both are increasing.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 02:52PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

When you mentioned Wilton, the shopping centre was the first thing that sprang to mind.

I just heard that it's Tesco Wilton off someone in the HSE, it could possibly be both?

eigrod · 21-09-2020 02:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Dublin has had approx 50% of cases in last 2-3 weeks. Currently accounts for 70% of hospitalisations.

To be fair, people from much of Leinster, particularly Louth, Wicklow & Kildare, will end up in a Dublin hospital so Dublin hospital figures can’t really be specific.

billybonkers · 21-09-2020 02:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You can't really use percentages increases when numbers are so low, especially comparing 8 with 23.

Yes of course you can. Why can't you?

62% in Dublin, which takes in people from most of Leinster to the hospitals

40% everywhere else

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 02:54PM

big syke wrote: »

Sure now your moving the goal posts again.

You first said from 13th - 20th. Now its from the 16th.

Dublin is increasing. So is the rest of the country.

60+% vs 40%. Both are increasing.

You clearly don't get the concept of scales when it comes to statistical increases, so I'm not going to argue anymore.

drunkmonkey · 21-09-2020 02:55PM

fits wrote: »

Thanks for that. I would certainly not encourage it or mandate that other kids use them. He is very much leading on this and thats fine.

My other 3 year old has no interest and I wouldnt even try with him.

I wouldn't allow it under any circumstances. I'm a few years off mine making it to secondary school so hopefully this is all anchient history by then.
There a dangerous item and lead to increased infection and transmission not just of Covid, if not used correctly. All that bacteria isn't good to have them rebreathing.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 02:55PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Yes of course you can. Why can't you?

62% in Dublin, which takes in people from most of Leinster to the hospitals

40% everywhere else

1 to 2 is 100% increase.
Doesn't give an accurate representation of the figures.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 02:57PM

eigrod wrote: »

To be fair, people from much of Leinster, particularly Louth, Wicklow & Kildare, will end up in a Dublin hospital so Dublin hospital figures can’t really be specific.

I never said anything about where they're coming from or who they are. It's a fact that Dublin's hospitals are seeing bigger increases per capita and in actual numbers compared to the rest of the country.

fits · 21-09-2020 02:58PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I wouldn't allow it under any circumstances. I'm a few years off mine making it to secondary school so hopefully this is all anchient history by then.
There a dangerous item and lead to increased infection and transmission not just of Covid, if not used correctly. All that bacteria isn't good to have them rebreathing.

You worry about your kids I'll worry about mine. He's worn it once - in a shop. Nothing inappropriate or dangerous about it.

podgeandrodge · 21-09-2020 02:58PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Briefing 5.30ish as usual this evening https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1308027337192153089?s=19

"Jerick Martin, a healthcare worker who spent 68 days in ICU with #COVID19 " will be a speaker.

Because when you've lost the population by your strategy, only fear remains!

GooglePlus · 21-09-2020 03:01PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You clearly don't get the concept of scales when it comes to statistical increases, so I'm not going to argue anymore.

You can almost set your watch to it. Gets called out and shuts down the discussion.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 03:02PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

"Jerick Martin, a healthcare worker who spent 68 days in ICU with #COVID19 " will be a speaker.

Because when you've lost the population by your strategy, only fear remains!

I’m not a big fan of them “fear”-ing these conferences to be honest. They should be about media questions and nothing else.

21-09-2020 03:03PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I never said anything about where they're coming from or who they are. It's a fact that Dublin's hospitals are seeing bigger increases per capita and in actual numbers compared to the rest of the country.

As you would expect given its the capital city and serves many surrounding counties. I know if I had to go hospital with covid I'd prefer to go to a hospital that has treated many covid patients and has built up better expertise than a hospital with alot less experience. I live 2 hours drive from dubnlin and many people choose to go Dublin for many ailments as they are many more experienced departments/health professionals.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 03:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

As you would expect given its the capital city and serves many surrounding counties. I know if I had to go hospital with covid I'd prefer to go to a hospital that has treated many covid patients and has built up better expertise than a hospital with alot less experience. I live 2 hours drive from dubnlin and many people choose to go Dublin for many ailments as they are many more experienced departments health professionals.

Which is perfectly fine. Still the fact stands, irrelevant of the reasoning behind it.

Plumbthedepths · 21-09-2020 03:04PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

"Jerick Martin, a healthcare worker who spent 68 days in ICU with #COVID19 " will be a speaker.

Because when you've lost the population by your strategy, only fear remains!

I don't watch RTE , I doubt I will miss anything worthwhile.

yawhat? · 21-09-2020 03:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I never said anything about where they're coming from or who they are. It's a fact that Dublin's hospitals are seeing bigger increases per capita and in actual numbers compared to the rest of the country.

Per capita of what, people living in Dublin or people living in the areas covered by Dublin hospitals?

The first one is pretty irrelevant, even if it is a fact.

Widdensushi · 21-09-2020 03:06PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Pennys Wilton, 16 staff test +

And no clusters in shops prior to masks being mandatory

arrianalexander · 21-09-2020 03:06PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Pennys Wilton, 16 staff test +

How do you know this , not doubting just curious

Were they part of the 36 yesterday or going to new cases

Fionn1952 · 21-09-2020 03:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You can't really use percentages increases when numbers are so low, especially comparing 8 with 23.

.....that would be why I said, 'that being said, it's hard to apply much in the ways of sensible trend analysis with such small numbers in the first place'...

arrianalexander · 21-09-2020 03:09PM

It's says test+ which I assumed was tested positive

wadacrack · 21-09-2020 03:10PM

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1308045313308004352

Good news

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 03:10PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1308045313308004352

Good news

As the days pass it's becoming more and more likely October will be a good month for vaccine news

Hurrache · 21-09-2020 03:11PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

"Jerick Martin, a healthcare worker who spent 68 days in ICU with #COVID19 " will be a speaker.

Because when you've lost the population by your strategy, only fear remains!

There's enough people on this forum alone who claim it's nothing to worry about until you're either old or have an underlying illness, they need a good slap about the face of the reality.

ACitizenErased · 21-09-2020 03:11PM

arrianalexander wrote: »

How do you know this , not doubting just curious

Were they part of the 36 yesterday or going to new cases

I'm after hearing from 2 HSE workers, and I assume it's included in yesterday's figures of 36 yes. Would make sense, large increases are usually attributed to clusters.
Also lines up with the school cases. Any workers there would have kids in that area, and the schools would report those cases.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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