Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Ninthlife wrote: »

Im far from naive and I do understand the point you are making but NPHET can only offer its expert advice. If Government doesnt want to enact on it thats up to them.

fair enough , sorry I didn't mean the naive as a personal dig btw.

Ninthlife wrote: »

Michael Martin former teacher and full time politician for many years is not in a position of knowledge to disagree with medical experts neither is Leo or any other member of cabinet.

Ninthlife wrote: »

Id rather the health advice of a professional medical person than anyone in the Dail.

they should ask questions though.

The science is one impact of this there are many our measures of success that NPHET are NOT experts on.
Like the economy, society and the effect on people and all that good stuff etc.. that should be the TDs area. We need to have the balance - ties in with the risk assessment point that each of us should be allowed to make for ourselves.


NPHET reminds me of the simpsons when the council of alphas ( the clever people ruled) sometimes our betters are the best to lead.







https://youtu.be/OH8s4N15zdg

Micky 32 wrote: »

I would doubt it would be made mandatory. But if case numbers stay high because of anti vaxxers i’d say restrictions maybe imposed on people who don’t take it.

Numbers high of people not sick though!

xhomelezz wrote: »

And? Do you think it's gonna stay that way?

Do you think it wont?

Grant Billions Bifocals wrote: »

Lockdowns 100% work, that is blatantly obvious. We would be having 10’s of thousands of cases and thousands of deaths per day now without the lockdown in March to June.

Thousands of deaths per day? Who are you? Nphet?

walus wrote: »

Thousands of deaths per day? Who are you? Nphet?

Oh come on

walus wrote: »

When should we expect the death tool in France go through the roof then? There were many theories for how long it takes from the diagnosis to death.

Dunno mate. I guess you'll tell me. At some stage it will start hitting vulnerable population. And the state of hospitals here are not ready for it. That's all.

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Deaths in France are not at April levels, but they have increased 4 times in two weeks.

Death rates/ cases will be less because of more testing and some improvements in treatment, but there will still be deaths.

If more people have it then logically more people will die with it but not necessarily from it.

normanoffside wrote: »

If more people have it then logically more people will die with it but not necessarily from it.

Deleted User wrote: »

We've really lost the plot when being compared to a group of experts in their fields is an insult

The fact that they are so called experts in the field does not mean that they are right on this. People have tendency to think that because the opinion or advice comes from an expert, it must be correct. Looking at how nphet dealt with this “pandemic” it has to be questioned what real expertise they have got.
Experts suffer from the “ expert problem” - they think they know a lot more than they really do. It is scientifically proven phenomenon. They are often no good when it comes to situations they have never experienced before.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yep you know better

Well what have nphet achieved? Fcuk all. This is an endemic virus. It can’t be stopped with stupid rules- nature obeys no rules

road_high wrote: »

Well what have nphet achieved? Fcuk all. This is an endemic virus. It can’t be stopped with stupid rules- nature obeys no rules

Yes, but our politicians will one day be up for re-election.

They need to be able to say "we did something"

A bit like with the banks back in the day.

Doing something good is secondary.

And once you've committed to something, it's all in. Can't show any weakness and change tack when you realise you've fcked up.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Will Nphet try and keep the country in semi lockdown till a vaccine arrives, hope the money lasts ( doubt it though).



http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-only-one-in-10-to-be-protected-from-covid-19-in-first-year-of-vaccine-use-12072473

Well they have pretty no other strategy or real ideas so yes.
And of course the money will not last, we are in big big trouble economically

bucketybuck wrote: »

And "that part of the population" are now much more aware of their risks and how to mitigate them. Is that not a hugely relevant factor in predicting a future death rate?



Blindly accepting that NPHET are infallible also ignores that I have never yet seen a quango that wasn't jobs for the boys to at least some extent.

Call them experts all you want, I still would advise taking their advice critically.

Clearly the population in general are not more aware of the risks and how to mitigate them, if they were they'd be following the guidelines and Dublin wouldn't be back in a semi lockdown. If you read any page of this thread it's abundantly clear that loads of people still don't understand what's happening.

NPHET members don't get paid for being on NPHET, they were pulled out of universities and hospitals and are still getting their original salaries.

We need to find a balance and not be constantly swinging in and out of lockdown, NPHET gave us guidelines on what needs to be done to achieve that balance but the advice was poorly relayed by government ignored by too many.