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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #7262
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If they were in school last Friday, off Saturday Sunday, symptoms Monday so kept home, got tested Tuesday / Wednesday and results Thursday, it’s entirely plausible that there were no close contacts

    Yeah thats the problem, not going back far enough.


  • #7263
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    NPHET have lost the plot

    There is no justification for level three everywhere in Ireland

    There's no justification for any levels anywhere. Virus can't be contained with open borders, were not going to close them so let's get this friggin thing over with by going back to normal and shielding the vunrable for the next few months.


  • #7264
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If they were in school last Friday, off Saturday Sunday, symptoms Monday so kept home, got tested Tuesday / Wednesday and results Thursday, it’s entirely plausible that there were no close contacts

    Except, of course, the contact that they got it from, which could be in the school.


  • #7265
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Yeah thats the problem, not going back far enough.

    WHO guidelines are to trace to 2days before symptoms


  • #7266
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Kh1993 wrote: »
    Interesting morning in Dublin. The anger is widespread. People out supporting businesses that have been decimated on short notice once again.

    There’s certainly not a fear that you’d think there is from reading Boards, Twitter and FB. There’s no going back to the stay at home watching Netflix.

    There’s a fish supplier (SSI) who had 30k worth of fresh stock for restaurants. They’ve decided to sell their stuff at outdoor markets as they’ve been left high and dry. I’ve never seen bigger queues for a shop or market, even during lockdown.

    Where are they selling?


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  • #7267
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Except, of course, the contact that they got it from, which could be in the school.

    They could be anywhere. Given it takes 5 to 7 days to incubate, if the person they got it off was a school contact they were likely asymptomatic, and given peak infectious period is 5 days they are likely no longer infectious, therefore impossible to trace the source.


  • #7268
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,685 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    prunudo wrote: »
    Actually they are, they can't leave the county, people can't go to their county, they can't go to cafes, they can't go to restaurants.
    I wish people would stop assuming that its only pubs that are effected by these restrictions.

    People are free to travel within Dublin and to leave the county for work, education or other essential purposes.

    Again, people are not expected to stay home and watch Netflix. Kh1993 is stating that people are out and about and it's no where near the level of compliance with the lockdown at the start of Covid-19 and alluding that this means people aren't being compliant with the measures.

    That's completely wrong of course considering the stay at home and exercise within 5km rule only comes into play during Level 5. So it's perfectly OK for people to be out and about and getting on with their lives as best as possible.


  • #7269
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,777 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Where are they selling?

    St Anne's Park.. Raheny

    I think


  • #7270
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    There's no justification for any levels anywhere. Virus can't be contained with open borders, were not going to close them so let's get this friggin thing over with by going back to normal and shielding the vunrable for the next few months.

    Will we let them out for a Christmas dash to the shops? ;) All the people who are old, have diabetes, are overweight, have cancer, suppressed immunity etc etc and all the people who mind them or live with them.


  • #7271
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    This.

    We need NPHET to be disbanded and instead get advisors for the ECDC to formulate the advice to government. A common EU approach will harness the next experts rather than a misfire of administrators and others.

    That’s great move the decisions even further away from scrutiny or oversight. If someone’s kid contracts it and it spreads to a class it’s already bad enough in that the decision rests with ‘public health’. There is no accountability if it all goes wrong which there is high chance it will.

    Some principals are taking their responsibilities seriously and doing what is required and right for the local community rather than deferring to a body that has no stake in the community and for who their is no accountability.

    The government inserting committees inbetween themselves and advisors is another examples.

    What would some Dutch or danish public health official know about how many kids we stuff in a class here? No thanks.


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  • #7272
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Why use 2 different scales on charts?

    Sorry used 2 different spreadsheets, didn't think of combining them.


    This is better

    526811.PNG


  • #7273
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If they were in school last Friday, off Saturday Sunday, symptoms Monday so kept home, got tested Tuesday / Wednesday and results Thursday, it’s entirely plausible that there were no close contacts

    48 hours back from Monday is Saturday.

    School wouldn't come into play.

    Also postive notification - contact tracing - letter typed and sent all on Thursday morning / early afternoon?


  • #7274
    Kh1993
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Kh1993


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    No one is requesting that people go home and lock themselves in their houses for three weeks watching Netflix.

    People aren't restricted from being out and about. There is life beyond pubs.

    Serious obsession with pubs. No kids sports, no restaurants, no coffee shops, not being able to leave your county. I’d call them restrictions tbh.

    It’s all about pubs to some people.


  • #7275
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    mandrake04 wrote: »
    Sorry used 2 different spreadsheets, didn't think of combining them.


    This is better

    526811.PNG

    Should you not be using cases by epi date given our terrible reporting? It’s not an accurate picture.


  • #7276
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Kh1993 wrote: »
    Serious obsession with pubs. No kids sports, no restaurants, no coffee shops, not being able to leave your county. I’d call them restrictions tbh.

    It’s all about pubs to some people.

    I don’t understand why people associate closed family-run cafes and restaurants with pubs tbh


  • #7277
    Kh1993
    Closed Accounts Posts: 443 ✭✭Kh1993


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Where are they selling?

    St Anne’s, and Airfield estate too I believe


  • #7278
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,023 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • #7279
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    growleaves wrote: »

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  • #7280
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Deleted User wrote: »
    WHO guidelines are to trace to 2days before symptoms

    Yep.

    We dont know where people are getting it. Just who they are giving it to.


  • #7281
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Should you not be using cases by epi date given our terrible reporting? It’s not an accurate picture.

    Is the data available?


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  • #7282
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Any Dublin protests yet?


  • #7283
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    People are free to travel within Dublin and to leave the county for work, education or other essential purposes.

    Again, people are not expected to stay home and watch Netflix. Kh1993 is stating that people are out and about and it's no where near the level of compliance with the lockdown at the start of Covid-19 and alluding that this means people aren't being compliant with the measures.

    That's completely wrong of course considering the stay at home and exercise within 5km rule only comes into play during Level 5. So it's perfectly OK for people to be out and about and getting on with their lives as best as possible.

    What are the hell are the Guards up to then, looks like an intimidation camping going by the news. Do they really want to appear like Government bully boys as that's exactly what there doing. It's a dangerous game.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-gardai-to-target-popular-getaway-spots-to-discourage-mass-exodus-from-dublin-39543937.html


  • #7284
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Latest cases chart by epi date. Seems to have tailed off a tad bit. More to be added to the tail obviously due to late reporting today and tomorrow.
    attachment.php?attachmentid=526814&d=1600513967


  • #7285
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    What are the hell are the Guards up to then, looks like an intimidation camping going by the news. Do they really want to appear like Government bully boys as that's exactly what there doing. It's a dangerous game.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-gardai-to-target-popular-getaway-spots-to-discourage-mass-exodus-from-dublin-39543937.html

    Utter disgrace, why don't they go sort out the crime and antisocial behaviour in our capital instead of preying on people going on a weekend excursion.

    This country has lost the plot.


  • #7286
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    Any Dublin protests yet?

    Yeah they marched to Bray and supping Dutch gold while burning masks.


  • #7287
    screamer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,193 ✭✭✭screamer


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    What are the hell are the Guards up to then, looks like an intimidation camping going by the news. Do they really want to appear like Government bully boys as that's exactly what there doing. It's a dangerous game.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/revealed-gardai-to-target-popular-getaway-spots-to-discourage-mass-exodus-from-dublin-39543937.html

    There were check points all over laois when the second lockdown was imposed, but sure, ra ra it’s all a different story when Dublin is affected.


  • #7288
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    screamer wrote: »
    There were check points all over laois when the second lockdown was imposed, but sure, ra ra it’s all a different story when Dublin is affected.

    50000 people have lost their jobs. Yes it is very very different.


  • #7289
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,106 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Utter disgrace, why don't they go sort out the crime and antisocial behaviour in our capital instead of preying on people going on a weekend excursion.

    This country has lost the plot.

    It's just propaganda, Guards will be still doing their job but they should not let the government use them as a threat. Guards need to keep people on side, this is undermining them.


  • #7290
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    screamer wrote: »
    There were check points all over laois when the second lockdown was imposed, but sure, ra ra it’s all a different story when Dublin is affected.

    Laois guards had little to at anyway.


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  • #7291
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    Latest cases chart by epi date. Seems to have tailed off a tad bit. More to be added to the tail obviously due to late reporting today and tomorrow.
    526814.png
    Tailed off where? :confused: Especially given that, as you acknowledge, more remain to be added to the tail. Iirc you said people looking at 7 day averages was silly, but now three days (even ignoring the incomplete data) indicates a tailing off?
    What were you saying the other day about nobody downplaying the numbers?


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