Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 12:36AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Lockdown starts at midnight tonight, you know that (video was recorded before midnight)
Now come back tomorrow with a similar video and I'll be outraged like you want.

Like I want? I couldn't care less what happens in Dublin

Sierra Oscar · 19-09-2020 12:36AM

fritzelly wrote: »

I'm saying you are just moving the issue to a different area - as already mentioned if there is an infection from a bar or restaurant close it down and do the necessary testing and checks on are they adhering to the guidelines and reopen it

The problem is that we have no system in place to identify the source of infection. Contact tracing goes back 48 hours only. This has been explained countless times in this thread already. It exists to break the chain of transmission, not to identify the source of infection.

Even if we wanted to look back over a week or more of a persons close contacts the system would be unable to cope with the pressure. It would quite simply collapse which would serve to only make the crisis even more profound.

Meanwhile while we debate the merits of contact tracing and pontificate about official figures the community transmission has been increasing dramatically.

fritzelly wrote: »

Closing the them is not solving the problem it's pretending it's fixed - guess we will see in 2-3 weeks time if the numbers are still increasing...

We will see what the numbers do as you say. If the rate of increase slows then it will have worked. Hopefully it flatlines or even better the daily cases begin to decrease.

The problem is that you will just try and claim at that stage that there was no need for the restrictions in the first place and point to the daily figures to try and back your point up. The same way that people tried to claim the lockdown was unnecessary because the daily cases got to below 10 following lockdown. Like, just take a step back from the keyboard for a minute and think about it.

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:38AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Like I want? I couldn't care less what happens in Dublin

So why post a video of Dublin so?
We all know you gloat when Dublin numbers are high and cork cases are low.
The fact, we're all in it together doesn't cross your mind.

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:38AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I did notice on the previous map, an area in SW Dublin, filled with industrial estates had a massive number of cases. My guess it was a nursing home. Same for an area of Lucan. They were both multiple times (like 10x) over the rest of the county.

Or private hospitals
Or private testing centres .

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:40AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's no lockdown in Dublin going by the Twitter videos.

Not till after midnight by all accounts .

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:42AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Or private hospitals
Or private testing centres .

Ah this was while we were locked down, so little activity in private hospitals or private testing. Must have been a nursing home or perhaps a large cluster.
It just stood out, that's how I noticed it.

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 12:42AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So why post a video of Dublin so?
We all know you gloat when Dublin numbers are high and cork cases are low.
The fact, we're all in it together doesn't cross your mind.

Ah give it a rest. Same old.

tobefrank321 · 19-09-2020 12:44AM

Spleodar wrote: »

I wonder though would that even prevent spread, as it's quite possible that both johnny and mary were misfortunate enough to have been sitting down wind of Bill the super spreader who'd gone out with the sniffles, thinking he was grand.

Well the point is that it shouldn't be that difficult to link cases to restaurants for example. If two seperate unrelated cases had been in a restaurant at the same time there's a very good chance one of them picked it up there. As seen in Donegal its also likely staff members will be infected.

Like most people I'd like to see specific proof from NPHET that restaurants are a significant driver of infections in Dublin. Show us the proof.

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:45AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Ah give it a rest. Same old.

Same old what?
You don't care about Dublin, but post a link to a video about a lock down in Dublin that at the time the video was taken, wasn't actually a lockdown.
Can I post a video of paddy's day in Dublin 2017 and use the same caption?

Roger_007 · 19-09-2020 12:46AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

One problem with this is some of the pubs that weren't complying were not logging details after a certain number of patrons .
If they did they would be facing questions about their numbers .
Blank sheets on clipboards, no traceback .
And these are more probable the places where we people may have gotten infected .

There is a story going around that after one outbreak was connected to a dry(ish) pub, the tracers were looking for 3 Elvis Presley’s, 2 Marlyn Munroe’s and a Lonnie Donegan!

OscarMIlde · 19-09-2020 12:46AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Just looking at the map on the hub, a few of the ones that stick out.

Adare-Rathkeale with 28 cases last 14 days, incidence of 101
Limerick City North with 44 cases last 14 days, incidence of 126.8
Tramore-Waterford City West with 23 cases last 14 days, incidence of 102.8
Carrick-On-Shannon with 15 cases last 14 days, incidence of 132
Dundalk-Carlingford with 35 cases last 14 days, incidence of 136.7
Celbridge with 37 cases last 14 days, incidence of 171.7
Tallaght Central with 76 cases last 14 days, incidence of 175.9
Bray East with 18 cases last 14 days, incidence of 105.1
Dublin South West Inner City with 69 cases last 14 days, incidence of 163
Blanchardstown-Mulhuddart with 67 cases last 14 days, incidence of 189.8
Balbriggan with 55 cases last 14 days, incidence of 150.4

I'm guessing the Celbridge cases are related to the primary school which was shut down. Hopefully the parents of children at that school are taking care to restrict their movements now, given that Kildare is only recently out of lockdown.

fritzelly · 19-09-2020 12:47AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

The problem is that we have no system in place to identify the source of infection. Contact tracing goes back 48 hours only. This has been explained countless times in this thread already. It exists to break the chain of transmission, not to identify the source of infection.

Even if we wanted to look back over a week or more of a persons close contacts the system would be unable to cope with the pressure. It would quite simply collapse which would serve to only make the crisis even more profound.

Meanwhile while we debate the merits of contact tracing and pontificate about official figures the community transmission has been increasing dramatically.

Like the one person who had 60+ contacts
Doubt someone is gonna come out and say yeah I was at this party with 50 people

The whole pub/restaurant blame game is pure conjecture

All the bars and restaurants I've seen are complying with all measures that are meant to if not eliminate then minimize cross contamination

Were all these countries on who they are relying on for all these pub infections using the same must have a meal and 105 minutes rule we have? That's a serious question - as far as I know the bars were open and that was it.

Oranage2 · 19-09-2020 12:49AM

To be honest I love bashing this government at any chance but I think they got this one right, perhaps a week delay but nothing major, the restrictions seem enough to stop the rapid spread though not too draconian that people can't live their lives.

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:51AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm just waiting for a Temple Bar/Berlin Bar viral video of a bunch of dubs in Dublin jerseys singing and drinking away in a country pub to cause mass hysteria on social media.

You won't get any of pubs and houseparties anywhere else in the country on this thread !

speckle · 19-09-2020 12:51AM

So, yesterday in some part of the country a whole group of people woke up, all thinking that they had fevers and where coming down with covid during the night.

Until sometime later, they sheepishly inquired over the garden fences after the health of their neighbors

Turns out the night before, the temperature hit 20c

True story... as I should know lol

ACitizenErased · 19-09-2020 12:52AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Same old what?
You don't care about Dublin, but post a link to a video about a lock down in Dublin that at the time the video was taken, wasn't actually a lockdown.
Can I post a video of paddy's day in Dublin 2017 and use the same caption?

Did you not read someone asking "what video"? Someone asked, I posted.

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:54AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

To be honest I love bashing this government at any chance but I think they got this one right, perhaps a week delay but nothing major, the restrictions seem enough to stop the rapid spread though not too draconian that people can't live their lives.

The pubs being closed is a draconian measure to a lot of people though.
God forbid we're ever at war, I don't think we'd survive, there would be white flags everywhere.
Or maybe an enemy we can see we'd hold together and sacrifice a lot more.

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:54AM

Spleodar wrote: »

I wonder though would that even prevent spread, as it's quite possible that both johnny and mary were misfortunate enough to have been sitting down wind of Bill the super spreader who'd gone out with the sniffles, thinking he was grand.

Or that Mary and Johnny were symptomatic going out and were too hung over to be bothered to ring a doctor the day after. Or to realise they were ill .

Sierra Oscar · 19-09-2020 12:56AM

fritzelly wrote: »

Like the one person who had 60+ contacts
Doubt someone is gonna come out and say yeah I was at this party with 50 people

The whole pub/restaurant blame game is pure conjecture

All the bars and restaurants I've seen are complying with all measures that are meant to if not eliminate then minimize cross contamination

Were all these countries on who they are relying on for all these pub infections using the same must have a meal and 105 minutes rule we have? That's a serious question - as far as I know the bars were open and that was it.

That is your experience, not necessarily mine i must say. Most places I have been in have been generally good with compliance.

However take tonight for example. Out for dinner, busy gastropub with all staff doing their best and all wearing good PPE.

However no social distancing outside with 50+ diners sitting within a metre of each other. People moving from table to table socialising and interacting with each other. No masks being worn. No food served at plenty of tables for the length of time that I was there, which was two hours I might add. No pressure from staff to move me on.

Inside the social distancing was good in fairness, except for the drunkard who was sitting at the table in the corner beside me which had a cone on it indicating that it was not to be used for social distancing purposes. I found that curious. Fella was pissed drunk. Turns out from watching him that he knew the staff and was probably drinking there all night on the sly. Fella was coughing and spluttering all over the place. Staff were evidently delighted when he finally stumbled out of the place I should add.

So yeah, you can tell one story about pubs and how good they have been and I can tell another.

Also notably on the way home I passed a pub with a middle aged fella outside smoking at the door absolutely coughing his lung up - to such an extent that people were stepping off the footpath to avoid him. He stepped back into the pub once his ciggie was finished. He looked like he had been in there all night.

People are deluded if they think pubs and restaurants are immune from community transmission. They're even more deluded if they think all patrons give a **** about social distancing despite the best efforts of staff.

Also, the above place is a reputable spot whose owner appeared on RTE during the lockdown to discuss the impact of Covid-19 on the hospitality sector.

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 12:57AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JoelHanna1/status/1307087854196137992?s=20

This ..is what has been going on for quite a while .

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 12:57AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Did you not read someone asking "what video"? Someone asked, I posted.

Yes you posted, but you also made a comment on the video:

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There's no lockdown in Dublin going by the Twitter videos.

fritzelly · 19-09-2020 01:01AM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

That is your experience, not necessarily mine i must say. Most places I have been in have been generally good with compliance.
...

We all know that is happening - not disputing it - was invited to a bar tonight where it's good enough to say I'll order food in a while (a well known bar on Camden St)

But gardai have the power, so report them

Point remains that it's just moving the problem somewhere else - there is a large enough cohort of people who will stick two fingers up at the new guidelines

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 01:03AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

So why post a video of Dublin so?
We all know you gloat when Dublin numbers are high and cork cases are low.
The fact, we're all in it together doesn't cross your mind.

Hang on, I have one of Prince's St , in Cork tonight , or Shop St , or Wiliam St in Limerick ...all full of freshers and a lot more besides , out in crowds .
It's like the virus ..everywhere !

Sierra Oscar · 19-09-2020 01:04AM

fritzelly wrote: »

We all know that is happening - not disputing it - was invited to a bar tonight where it's good enough to say I'll order food in a while (a well known bar on Camden St)

But gardai have the power, so report them

Point remains that it's just moving the problem somewhere else - there is a large enough cohort of people who will stick two fingers up at the new guidelines

I think a major issue is that enforcement simply isn't really happening. The Garda representative associations have said as much. Easy to enforce lockdown when everything is meant to be closed and crime in general has plummeted as a result. Not so much when places are back open and crime rates are back to normal.

What do you reckon a victim of a mugging or burglary wants, for a Garda to respond promptly to their call or to be in checking pubs for social distancing? Big dilemma in fairness.

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 01:06AM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Well the point is that it shouldn't be that difficult to link cases to restaurants for example. If two seperate unrelated cases had been in a restaurant at the same time there's a very good chance one of them picked it up there. As seen in Donegal its also likely staff members will be infected.

Like most people I'd like to see specific proof from NPHET that restaurants are a significant driver of infections in Dublin. Show us the proof.

Not being personal now, just replying ..
Show us the contact tracing sheets !

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 01:08AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

There is a story going around that after one outbreak was connected to a dry(ish) pub, the tracers were looking for 3 Elvis Presley’s, 2 Marlyn Munroe’s and a Lonnie Donegan!

It is funny but not , at the same time , lol !

Goldengirl · 19-09-2020 01:13AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Just looking at the map on the hub, a few of the ones that stick out.

Adare-Rathkeale with 28 cases last 14 days, incidence of 101
Limerick City North with 44 cases last 14 days, incidence of 126.8
Tramore-Waterford City West with 23 cases last 14 days, incidence of 102.8
Carrick-On-Shannon with 15 cases last 14 days, incidence of 132
Dundalk-Carlingford with 35 cases last 14 days, incidence of 136.7
Celbridge with 37 cases last 14 days, incidence of 171.7
Tallaght Central with 76 cases last 14 days, incidence of 175.9
Bray East with 18 cases last 14 days, incidence of 105.1
Dublin South West Inner City with 69 cases last 14 days, incidence of 163
Blanchardstown-Mulhuddart with 67 cases last 14 days, incidence of 189.8
Balbriggan with 55 cases last 14 days, incidence of 150.4

Dublin South West ..James ' hospital ?
Blanch Mulhuddart ..JCM hospital ?
On top of community testing

TheRiverman · 19-09-2020 01:15AM

Just f..ing think,we had the confirmed cases down to six on a day not too long ago.People need to get a very very serious grip and realise this is not the f...king ordinary flu and it is very different and dangerous to anything we ever had in the past to threaten our health and lives.I am 65 years old,so I have a lot of life experience,so I say to all those reckless idiots who think this is fake or just like normal flu,you are stupid,you are deluded,you are selfish,you are ........I could go on and on

nocoverart · 19-09-2020 01:19AM

TheRiverman wrote: »

Just f..ing think,we had the confirmed cases down to six on a day not too long ago.People need to get a very very serious grip and realise this is not the f...king ordinary flu and it is very different and dangerous to anything we ever had in the past to threaten our health and lives.I am 65 years old,so I have a lot of life experience,so I say to all those reckless idiots who think this is fake or just like normal flu,you are stupid,you are deluded,you are selfish,you are ........I could go on and on

You need to breathe, stress can give you a heart attack.

Wolf359f · 19-09-2020 01:22AM

TheRiverman wrote: »

Just f..ing think,we had the confirmed cases down to six on a day not too long ago.People need to get a very very serious grip and realise this is not the f...king ordinary flu and it is very different and dangerous to anything we ever had in the past to threaten our health and lives.I am 65 years old,so I have a lot of life experience,so I say to all those reckless idiots who think this is fake or just like normal flu,you are stupid,you are deluded,you are selfish,you are ........I could go on and on

I have to say it's depressing looking back on how low we got case numbers compared to now. But we had to open the economy. We couldn't sustain those numbers indefinitely. We now have the hard task figuring out what we can sustain (based on so many factors, it makes it nearly impossible) but we will go on, we will pull through. It may not be easy, but it won't last forever.

I'm in my 30's but with a suppressed immune system, so I know how you feel.
But according to many, it's only the elderly at risk. They are 'expendable' to some.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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