Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

wadacrack · 18-09-2020 05:37PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Logic may indeed point in that direction but the data is not. The vast majority of cases are not as a result of people socialising in these establishments.

Its not in this country as their is limitations to the data as Phillip Nolan admitted earlier. International studies and incidents indicate the pubs/restaurants have led to super spreading events. Their are regarded as very high risk within the scientific community. At the moment theirs about 50-60 cases a day with are unaccounted for , if many of those are in Dublin then it does not look good.

KrustyUCC · 18-09-2020 05:38PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Likely contacts of the Ballincollig cases. Wouldn’t be too concerned.

All true

We're still doing very well but wouldn't want figures creeping higher

Itssoeasy · 18-09-2020 05:38PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Likely contacts of the Ballincollig cases. Wouldn’t be too concerned.

Hopefully that they know there are contacts they will stop it there.

manofwisdom · 18-09-2020 05:38PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Is that Dublin cases already declining?

No as I posted yesterday the average amount of cases for Dublin over the last 2 weeks was 109.

These extra restrictions are certainly needed for Dublin and I hope the delay in applying them doesn't cause more deaths.

nacho libre · 18-09-2020 05:38PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, it's a favored Vinters talking point. People are catching it in the community and bringing it home anyway, it's not walking in the front though of peoples homes itself. It's more pronounced in homes, because that is where people live.

The reality is we weren't tracing in pubs and restaurants, we have some chance in private dwellings.

Oh I have little doubt restaurants and pubs serving food are a significant contributor to the rises in cases, and lobby groups naturally want to deflect from that, but at the same time it might suit government politicians to focus on this sector as a source compared to others. This virus has exposed a lot of shady practices going on in this country, but we are told there is nothing to see here move along.

Funsterdelux · 18-09-2020 05:38PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Teachers union not happy.

https://twitter.com/intonews/status/1306935561639342083?s=21

dalyboy wrote: »

Jeez ! Did the teachers not have enough holidays from March - end of August ? Are they getting jealous of the PUP payments to hospitality staff already ? Wowser

Selfish bloomin teachers at it again.

How dare they. Worried about their own health and safety and the kids

Mullaghteelin · 18-09-2020 05:38PM

froog wrote: »

as has been said from the outset, it's going to be a ****ty year and we need to get used to that. you cannot have your old lives back for a while yet and people need to deal with that. it's hardly the worst situation humanity could find itself in, far from it. if we can't deal with this we don't have much hope for the inevitable challenges humanity will face in the next couple of decades - food issues, water issues, global warming, much worse pandemics, etc

cheer up, have a beer or whatever you need, ring a friend. this will be over next year.

You'd swear it was the apocalypse.
We still have homes, food, electricity, Internet, TV etc. This year's retrictions are nothing compared to the disruption of an earthquake, war, famine, hurricane, solar storm, volcanic eruption..
We need a fright every now and then as a species, or we get lazy, weak and complacent.

KrustyUCC · 18-09-2020 05:39PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Oh Bollix.

Don't lock Cork down!

That's nowhere near happening

alentejo · 18-09-2020 05:39PM

116 cases in Dublin today - This is 45% of the total Covid daily total of 253. Dublin represented 50% yesterday and up to 60% of the total daily case load during the week.

Could Dublin be stabilizing or are KE, LH, WW & MH facing level 3 restrictions too?

screamer · 18-09-2020 05:39PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Giving people 7 hours notice is ****ing pathetic and wrong.

Last thing they need over the weekend is gob****es rammed into places to get that last illusive pint, that’ll really help the infection rate, won’t it.

Spanish Eyes · 18-09-2020 05:40PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Gatherings with oodles of contacts in multiple locations. Basically all the stuff we've been advised not to do.

So stay home, stay safe and do nothing. OK that is good advice, but it will not be observed by many anyway will it?

Goldengirl · 18-09-2020 05:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The whole tracing thing seems to be a disaster to be honest, there’s no evidence to suggest where cases are arising, they’re guessing.

So if they are guessing where do think cases in the home are "arising" ?
Most people are not partying , contrary to opinion here .

niallo27 · 18-09-2020 05:40PM

Hurrache wrote: »

They couldn't get the virus on the phone to ask it to hold off for a bit.

Nor was there any hint during the week that this was going to happen by the weekend, none whatsoever.

So businesses should shut down on hints now, you are so far removed from reality its embarrassing.

ShooterSF · 18-09-2020 05:40PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Jeez ! Did the teachers not have enough holidays from March - end of August ? Are they getting jealous of the PUP payments to hospitality staff already ? Wowser

I have to study from home for the first week of this semester as numbers are too high in Dublin why should they be put at risk to keep schools open no matter how bad things get?? I I wouldn't want to be a teacher if things are so bad we end up at level 5 and yet they'll be expected to work?! It isn't a front line service.

froog · 18-09-2020 05:40PM

i mean it seems pretty obvious to me what's happening in dublin. large gangs of mostly asymptomatic kids not giving a fck spreading it and bringing it back to homes. so the real solution is parents doing some parenting and guards patrolling and breaking up large groups. fines for parents of kids if required.

niallo27 · 18-09-2020 05:41PM

Boggles wrote: »

Europe are having their own problems at the minute.

So that's a no then I guess.

GeorgeBailey · 18-09-2020 05:41PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Giving people 7 hours notice is ****ing pathetic and wrong.

If they keep holding off then infections will likely get further out of control which would mean the lockdown lasting longer.

Hurrache · 18-09-2020 05:42PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So businesses should shut down on hints now, you are so far removed from reality its embarrassing.

I'm afraid it's not me that's removed from the reality of the logic behind restrictions.

hetuzozaho · 18-09-2020 05:42PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

It's got zero to do with presence or quality of food full stop. Drunkenness and the effects on social distancing in indoor environments is what it was about. Most likely wasting my time here as some people seem to wilfully "misunderstand" the food requirement in pubs.

Ideally only restaurants would have been allowed open as they serve a necessary if slightly overplayed function in feeding people who may be at home or have access to cooking facilities. In order to create a semblance of fairness, pubs that served food were also allowed open "as a restaurant", hence the stipulation of a substantial meal requirement.

It was implicit if not explicit in these guidelines that they were not to operate as drinking only establishments at this point.

Plenty however saw opportunity to circumvent the guidelines sourcing food from local takeaways to enable their use as the drinking establishments the guidelines sought to forbid.

The issue though is people were going out for their birthday with their mates to the restaurants. Thus spreading the virus. It's virus 101 I feel ha

KrustyUCC · 18-09-2020 05:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Likely contacts of the Ballincollig cases. Wouldn’t be too concerned.

"We’ve been informed that another school in Cork has identified a COVID-19 Case. Parents of children in Scoil Mhuire in Ballincollig received the communication via email a few moments ago."

Source Cork Safety Alerts

Kh1993 · 18-09-2020 05:44PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Teachers union not happy.

https://twitter.com/intonews/status/1306935561639342083?s=21

Makes sense. I’m delighted to be back teaching but so hypocritical that every other indoor setting is a risk and must close yet schools are magically immune.

Yes, I get education is so necessary for social and emotional development, more so than restaurants but for business owners it’s surely ridiculous.

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 05:44PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So stay home, stay safe and do nothing. OK that is good advice, but it will not be observed by many anyway will it?

Most people observing should help do it. The rate of increase needs to be slowed down.

spookwoman · 18-09-2020 05:45PM

igCorcaigh · 18-09-2020 05:46PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

It's got zero to do with presence or quality of food full stop. Drunkenness and the effects on social distancing in indoor environments is what it was about.

The food requirement and time limit made perfect sense. You're not going to go on a pub crawl paying €9 each 120 mins.

Beanybabog · 18-09-2020 05:47PM

Usually I’m quite up to date on restrictions but right now I haven’t a breeze what’s going on. This 5 point plan with extras added is messier than having no plan. I just went online and first thing I see is UCD saying they’re in level 4... it’s impossible to follow.

I see Philip Nolan’s explanation about why restaurants have to close and quite frankly it just exposes the flaws in the test and trace system and makes its hard to justify why schools are open

igCorcaigh · 18-09-2020 05:48PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Most people observing should help do it. The rate of increase needs to be slowed down.

I hope most do.

Government restrictions can only do so much. Individual responsibility has been emphasised over and over in each press briefing.

shinzon · 18-09-2020 05:49PM

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-r-number-increases-to-between-1-1-and-1-4-12075062

Gotten so bad across the pond that what people think would never happen again is now being considered by ministers in the UK namely a second national lockdown.

Cases across the UK have spiked dramatically in recent days. Some 3,395 cases were confirmed on Thursday, and 3,991 the day before.

Ministers are currently considering another nationwide lockdown, with COVID-19 hospital admissions "doubling every seven to eight days".

The government is concerned more young people getting the virus is leading to an increase in infection among the elderly and vulnerable.

Shin

ACitizenErased · 18-09-2020 05:49PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

"We’ve been informed that another school in Cork has identified a COVID-19 Case. Parents of children in Scoil Mhuire in Ballincollig received the communication via email a few moments ago."

Source Cork Safety Alerts

I heard today the vast majority of cases in Cork atm are from Ballincollig alone

podgeandrodge · 18-09-2020 05:50PM

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

You'd swear it was the apocalypse.
We still have homes, food, electricity, Internet, TV etc. This year's retrictions are nothing compared to the disruption of an earthquake, war, famine, hurricane, solar storm, volcanic eruption..
We need a fright every now and then as a species, or we get lazy, weak and complacent.

You're not working in the service/restaurant/pub industry I take it then?

What Username Guidelines · 18-09-2020 05:51PM

alentejo wrote: »

116 cases in Dublin today - This is 45% of the total Covid daily total of 253. Dublin represented 50% yesterday and up to 60% of the total daily case load during the week.

If Dublin continues a trend down in the next few days they'll say lockdown is working :rolleyes:

Seriously, I've looked at this objectively since January, was on board with nearly everything, but the absolute state of panic from the government is completely unwarranted. Yes, some action is needed, but this is insanity.

And this is from someone who doesn't even like socialising or sports

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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