Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 18-09-2020 04:15PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

If they are only doing 48hrs beforehand, then how can they confirm where the disease originated from so why would the HPSC data show that? It might confirm why the data on outbreaks in pubs has remained stagnant at 5 outbreaks.

It seems to be a resource issue

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1306936347106652161?s=20

And they apparently have tried to get funding

https://twitter.com/marietcasey/status/1306944612217622533?s=20

The fact that they haven't been given it, is a huge disgrace imo. If they had then indoor dining would most likely still be open and jobs kept. I blame the government for this one rather then NPHET/Contact tracing, they seem to be putting money into silly places.

The whole tracing thing seems to be a disaster to be honest, there’s no evidence to suggest where cases are arising, they’re guessing.

Happydays2020 · 18-09-2020 04:15PM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Tried giving surplus food to homeless people and hostels before, unfortunately we were told that if one of them got food poisoning we were liable

Madness.

The Muslim Sisters of Eire May be worth touching base with.

stephenjmcd · 18-09-2020 04:15PM

I don't live in Dublin but work in it, went out and supported a restaurant near work for lunch today. If anyone is in Dublin support a local business because it might be the last chance you get to go to some of them unfortunately
https://twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1306985299805904898?s=19

s1ippy · 18-09-2020 04:16PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Stop blaming Leo for your own failings.

Haha yeah I'm doing a terrible job of running the country because I hate the poor, shame on me.

SleetAndSnow · 18-09-2020 04:16PM

stockshares wrote: »

Philip Nolan says people show symptoms 5 days after picking it up so why do they only trace back 24 hrs and not 120 hrs.
https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1306908075161518081?s=19

Resource issues apparently and not receiving funding, linked the tweets in my post above yours.

igCorcaigh · 18-09-2020 04:16PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

They could have given business a bit more time to prepare, however.

They really should have.
It's a bit of a kick in the teeth really.

Hurrache · 18-09-2020 04:16PM

fleet_admiral wrote: »

My brother Iives facing the coach, in Bray, co. Dublin.

There is €1300 worth of food stock where I am now, myself and other pubs are strongly considering a French farmer style protest outside Leinster House, ie. We are thinking about dumping all food stock on at the main gate

A bit pointless, completely pointless.

It's not being done for the craic, it's for public health.

podgeandrodge · 18-09-2020 04:17PM

1641 wrote: »

Well, the key is the properly controlled environment.

It was restaurants that were supposed to opened - and pubs operating as restaurants. Some joints bringing in the sausages and chips were just using it as a way to serve up the pints.The more the merrier! Questionable regard to the "controlled" part of the environment. They were operating as pubs, not restaurants.

No. They were asked to provide a substantial meal. The (flawed imo) idea that providing a meal would slow down sloppy drinking. Your distaste for what you perceive to be sub par food doesn't make that a non controlled environment.

Anyway, all of no consequence now, a lot of establishments, both restaurants and pubs, will be in trouble as a result of this.

They may as well say "look, open up you get cases. so we're not". Instead, they hoodwinked the population into believing that we could get through this when the reality was always that opening up would result in this.

SleetAndSnow · 18-09-2020 04:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The whole tracing thing seems to be a disaster to be honest, there’s no evidence to suggest where cases are arising, they’re guessing.

Yep agree with you on that. I just can't get my head around how they weren't granted funding to go back past 48hrs by the government, yet the same government are telling business to keep a full log of everybody? Whats the point so if they won't even provide for the team that they say is "vitally important"? Ridiculous.

Funsterdelux · 18-09-2020 04:19PM

Are the communions etc going ahead. Thought I saw it somewhere that they are going to be postponed again? Otherwise lots of parties

yawhat? · 18-09-2020 04:19PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The whole tracing thing seems to be a disaster to be honest, there’s no evidence to suggest where cases are arising, they’re guessing.

Agreed, but it is an educated guess as they are using data from other jurisdictions.

OscarMIlde · 18-09-2020 04:19PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

So if that person didnt die and get tested those 20 could have passed it on to their households.

And if they eventually got sypmtoms and got tested the system wouldnt have traced it to their event

They also couldn't have been socially distancing much, despite what they say in their tweet, if 20 of the group managed to catch it.

fritzelly · 18-09-2020 04:19PM

Death knell for a lot of businesses with no evidence
How many thousands of euros of food will goto waste out of their pockets

Screw this government

spookwoman · 18-09-2020 04:19PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Yep agree with you on that. I just can't get my head around how they weren't granted funding to go back past 48hrs by the government, yet the same government are telling business to keep a full log of everybody? Whats the point so. Ridiculous.

It helps. If there is an outbreak at least they will have information from the bar instead of expecting people to come forward or try to remember.

harr · 18-09-2020 04:20PM

So does any have a list of what exactly is level 3.5 .. no travel to Dublin ? And if hotel already booked for next weekend I presume that’s out the window.
This will be my third time to have to cancel a hotel room FFS

SleetAndSnow · 18-09-2020 04:21PM

spookwoman wrote: »

It helps. If there is an outbreak at least they will have information from the bar instead of expecting people to come forward or try to remember.

I suppose it will give an indication of where the outbreak began, but for the majority of individual contact tracing cases, they aren't going back to the bars/restaurants because they don't have the resources. It just seems like a very messy system, that was at one point a very good system.

smellyoldboot · 18-09-2020 04:21PM

Too many pubs taking the piss posing as "restaurants" serving chipper ****e. Once that loophole was left in, the only way to close it was to punish actual restaurants. The effects of being a nation who doesn't look beyond the end of their noses means the falls come faster and harder.

podgeandrodge · 18-09-2020 04:22PM

s1ippy wrote: »

A teenager threw a drink in Leo's face earlier.
https://twitter.com/NoelRock/status/1306967632516714497?s=09

I feel kind of sorry for him and then I remember what a prick he is and don't.

Pathetic. Hope the stupid bitch is caught.

Spanish Eyes · 18-09-2020 04:23PM

Dublin is depressing,

With coffee at eleven,

And a stroll in Stephens Green.

Not for the foreseable anyway. No certainty, no clear message. As always.

Need to find the cause of the spike and close THAT down.

OscarMIlde · 18-09-2020 04:23PM

seamus wrote: »

No, I mean high false positive. There are anecdotal reports this week of routine covid tests, such as those post-mortem or pre-surgery, picking up non-negligible numbers of new cases. People who would never otherwise have been detected because they're asymptomatic and not close contacts of anyone else.

We need to look at our testing to make sure we're not getting an abnormally large # of false positives.

How is that a false positive? They still have covid 19 even if they are asymptomatic, and as the Tullamore cluster shows asymptomatic people can still transmit the virus. And given that covid 19 can cause sudden death through heart attacks and thrombotic events I question how that group are certain that covid did not contribute to the death of their friend.

Happydays2020 · 18-09-2020 04:23PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I don't live in Dublin but work in it, went out and supported a restaurant near work for lunch today. If anyone is in Dublin support a local business because it might be the last chance you get to go to some of them unfortunately
https://twitter.com/adriancummins/status/1306985299805904898?s=19

Agree.

Maybe some of our newspapers can also list those restaurants which are doing take outs or meal packs.

My feeling is that this time there will be push back. And the Government will realise very quickly that they have lost people on this.

hetuzozaho · 18-09-2020 04:24PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Too many pubs taking the piss posing as "restaurants" serving chipper ****e. Once that loophole was left in, the only way to close it was to punish actual restaurants. The effects of being a nation who doesn't look beyond the end of their noses means the falls come faster and harder.

I don't think the quality of food has an effect.

Maybe the nutritional makeup of it...

stephenjmcd · 18-09-2020 04:24PM

253 new cases - 116 in Dublin.
3 deaths

spookwoman · 18-09-2020 04:24PM

253 new cases - 116 in Dublin. 22 in Kildare, 14 in Cork, 14 in Galway, 13 in Donegal, 10 in Limerick, 10 in Louth, 9 in Mayo, 8 in Waterford, 7 in Wicklow and the remaining 30 cases are located in Carlow, Cavan, Clare, Kilkenny, Laois, Longford, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Tipperary, Westmeath.
1% are under 45 years of age

45% are confirmed to be associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case

61 cases have been identified as community transmission.

3 deaths

lawred2 · 18-09-2020 04:24PM

Close pubs and pubs pretending to be restaurants

Leave actual restaurants and cafes open

Hurrache · 18-09-2020 04:25PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Death knell for a lot of businesses with no evidence

No evidence that the virus spreads where people gather in a region in which there's a high number of infected?

wadacrack · 18-09-2020 04:25PM

Common sense tells us that any setting setting with people congregated indoors is high risk. Understandable that are closing down restaurants and pubs in Dublin atm. Obviously people are very emotional and devastated with the news at the minute and I have sympathy but their is logic to this decision unlike the one regarding outdoor activity. The worrying thing is that Europe as a whole is repeating the same mistakes as March and have seemed to have learned very little or just ignoring the evidence for a certain agenda ie: Schools must be open in spite of worrying signs with transmission and the myth that kids do not spread this virus which is obviously not true. The model to follow seems to be one in Asia. Not what we want to hear as it requires great discipline but it seems the only way out of this and in time will hopefully be much easier with a vaccine. Lockdown's of some sort now happening throughout Europe so it seems like all the theories which many wanted to believe are simply not true to the extent that many thought they would be.

Happydays2020 · 18-09-2020 04:25PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

253 new cases - 116 in Dublin.
3 deaths

Is that Dublin cases already declining?

Boggles · 18-09-2020 04:25PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Do you have a fetish for petrol pump handles ??
its in plenty of posts and your the only person here banging on with it

Because there is a false narrative on the thread by a select few that indoor arenas where you don't have to wear masks are covid free zones.

You have to wear a mask and social distance pretty much every where else. So the large amounts of community spread have to be happening somewhere.

So no, quite the opposite of a fetish, they are lethal, they must be.

fritzelly · 18-09-2020 04:26PM

Hurrache wrote: »

No evidence that the virus spreads where people gather in a region in which there's a high number of infected?

Where's the evidence bars are petri dishes?

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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