Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

landofthetree · 18-09-2020 04:59PM

s1ippy wrote: »

Not every single person that ever contracted or spread this has been detected. The testing and tracing is not adequate, Philip Nolan said as much on twitter earlier.

The more cases going around undetected, the more people spreading it. Consider all the people who had it here some time in early February, when we could have gotten the detection system up and running to stop the spread completely. How many of those gave it to several others who also weren't tested?

The figures are tokenistic and the spread is much bigger than we can detect with the current inadequate system. If you divide the million tests we've done by the amount of weeks we're doing them, that's only 9,000 tests per week. If you adjust the positivity rate to the average of 3.5% per week that's about 34000, almost exactly what we have.

If we were testing close contacts and everyone with symptoms, it could be about 50,000 per week and our percent positivity would be lower but we would be finding many more cases, it would be a more accurate picture of the spread in every county but NPHET weighed it up early on and determined that it's not worth investing in that because they assumed it would never get out of hand.

They seemingly didn't consider the reopening would be so careless and that the government would be so slow to adopt their recommendations at crucial times in the last few weeks.

A teenager threw a drink in Leo's face earlier.
https://twitter.com/NoelRock/status/1306967632516714497?s=09

I feel kind of sorry for him and then I remember what a prick he is and don't.

Stop blaming Leo for your own failings.

stephenjmcd · 18-09-2020 04:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Rather than go out for dinner people will just host dinner at home. Exactly what they don’t want people to do.

Last week it was we want people into restaurants that are controlled environments and don't be gathering in houses.

This week we're closing them, it happened during initial restrictions it'll happen again there'll be more house gatherings

nacho libre · 18-09-2020 04:59PM

Boggles wrote: »

Where do people live when the restaurants are open?

I suppose what he might mean is more people from different households mixing in homes thus increasing the spread. Anyway it seems to me the restaurants are being scapegoated somewhat in all of this.

Boggles · 18-09-2020 05:00PM

alentejo wrote: »

This will not be for 3 weeks, Would recon a minimum of 5 to 8 weeks.

Next weeks infections have all ready seeded.

It will take time for tomorrows restrictions to make a difference.

I don't know if it will be as high as 8 weeks, but it certainly won't be 3 weeks.

They may have got away with 4 weeks if they acted when they should have.

stephenjmcd · 18-09-2020 05:00PM

froog wrote: »

i mean if they have 5 levels but they have decided no level works for dublin, then the level system fundamentally doesn't work. it's farcical.

i suspect the indoor dining ban is due to widespread loopholing by pubs serving crisp sandwiches with business as usual or whatever, but if so they should just come out and say it. or else just be stricter about what qualifies as a restaurant, which they should have done from the start.

So what was the point in giving the Gardai extra powers for pubs then ???

ednwireland · 18-09-2020 05:00PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Standby for more ramblings
https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1306984228840787973?s=19

oh god thats worth avoiding

ACitizenErased · 18-09-2020 05:00PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

They'll save a few bob, maybe even try out a few different recipes.

They’ll also welcome loads of different households. Isn’t that great? Just what NPHET want

Allinall · 18-09-2020 05:01PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Rather than go out for dinner people will just host dinner at home. Exactly what they don’t want people to do.

They could and should do neither.

It’s not compulsory to eat your dinner with people you don’t live with.

Funsterdelux · 18-09-2020 05:01PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

They’ll also welcome loads of different households. Isn’t that great? Just what NPHET want

Well I wouldnt try out a new recipe when having visitors.

ACitizenErased · 18-09-2020 05:02PM

Allinall wrote: »

They could and should do neither.

It’s not compulsory to eat your dinner with people you don’t live with.

But if you’re having a communion or confirmation you’d go out for a meal... except now you can’t, so they’ll just host something at home instead.

froog · 18-09-2020 05:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So what was the point in giving the Gardai extra powers for pubs then ???

good question. still, there's a lot of pubs in ireland, 7000+ and guards are very busy busting people for smoking weed.

smellyoldboot · 18-09-2020 05:04PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Standby for more ramblings
https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1306984228840787973?s=19

No need for the sign language interpreter anyway with Mr "Big Box Small Box" Taoiseach.

Boggles · 18-09-2020 05:04PM

nacho libre wrote: »

I suppose what he might mean is more people from different households mixing in homes thus increasing the spread. Anyway it seems to me the restaurants are being scapegoated somewhat in all of this.

Yeah, it's a favored Vinters talking point. People are catching it in the community and bringing it home anyway, it's not walking in the front though of peoples homes itself. It's more pronounced in homes, because that is where people live.

The reality is we weren't tracing in pubs and restaurants, we have some chance in private dwellings.

billybonkers · 18-09-2020 05:05PM

So gyms, cinema etc to close too?

hetuzozaho · 18-09-2020 05:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

But if you’re having a communion or confirmation you’d go out for a meal... except now you can’t, so they’ll just host something at home instead.

But the vintners and them are fooling themselves that it's not spreading in those places. Why wouldn't it?

Boggles · 18-09-2020 05:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

But if you’re having a communion or confirmation you’d go out for a meal... except now you can’t, so they’ll just host something at home instead.

Communions and Confirmation are now a party at home, bouncy castles in the back yard.

The day of going out for a quite meal to celebrate the baby Jesus is long gone.

ACitizenErased · 18-09-2020 05:07PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

But the vintners and them are fooling themselves that it's not spreading in those places. Why wouldn't it?

The majority of cases nowadays arise in private households, I’m not sure how many times this has to be said

hetuzozaho · 18-09-2020 05:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The majority of cases nowadays arise in private households, I’m not sure how many times this has to be said

Arise? What do you mean?

SleetAndSnow · 18-09-2020 05:08PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The majority of cases nowadays arise in private households, I’m not sure how many times this has to be said

Surely the cases in private households have to come from somewhere?

Too me, it's a case of we will try closing indoor dining to see if thats the cause of the disease getting into households. They could have given business a bit more time to prepare, however.

Suppose we will see in a few weeks

Oranage2 · 18-09-2020 05:08PM

Boggles wrote: »

Communions and Confirmation are now a party at home, bouncy castles in the back yard.

The day of going out for a quite meal to celebrate the baby Jesus is long gone.

I'm sure he knows plenty of kids having communions in restaurants to refute you

ACitizenErased · 18-09-2020 05:10PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Surely the cases in private households have to come from somewhere?

Too me, it's a case of we will try closing indoor dining to see if thats the cause of the disease getting into households. They could have given business a bit more time to prepare, however.

Suppose we will see in a few weeks

Contact tracers ask for your movements ~48hrs prior to the onset of symptoms. If they had tracked outbreaks to pubs, the HPSC data would reflect it. That’s simply not happening.

Boggles · 18-09-2020 05:11PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Surely the cases in private households have to come from somewhere?

Petrol Pump Handles.

Certainly not the only place people are allowed congregate indoors without masks and are not traced.

No!

hetuzozaho · 18-09-2020 05:12PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Contact tracers ask for your movements ~48hrs prior to the onset of symptoms. If they had tracked outbreaks to pubs, the HPSC data would reflect it. That’s simply not happening.

Do you honestly believe that it's not spreading across tables in pubs and restaurants?

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 05:12PM

billybonkers wrote: »

So gyms, cinema etc to close too?

Nope, think that's fully Level 4.

stephenjmcd · 18-09-2020 05:12PM

Boggles wrote: »

Petrol Pump Handles.

Certainly not the only place people are allowed congregate without masks and are not traced.

No!

Do you have a fetish for petrol pump handles ??
its in plenty of posts and your the only person here banging on with it

yawhat? · 18-09-2020 05:12PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The majority of cases nowadays arise in private households, I’m not sure how many times this has to be said

Yes, just appear out of thin air straight into households. Why did they ban indoor dining in New York?

spookwoman · 18-09-2020 05:13PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

Surely the cases in private households have to come from somewhere?

Too me, it's a case of we will try closing indoor dining to see if thats the cause of the disease getting into households. They could have given business a bit more time to prepare, however.

Suppose we will see in a few weeks

You can guarantee people will hold back information if they know if they were in a place that was breaking the rules.

fleet_admiral · 18-09-2020 05:13PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Offering the food to the homeless Or indeed cooking and giving for free outside the Dail might be a nice symbolic gesture and get a positive reaction.

Tried giving surplus food to homeless people and hostels before, unfortunately we were told that if one of them got food poisoning we were liable

screamer · 18-09-2020 05:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Contact tracers ask for your movements ~48hrs prior to the onset of symptoms. If they had tracked outbreaks to pubs, the HPSC data would reflect it. That’s simply not happening.

Their tracing and reporting is only as accurate as the info they are being given........ why do you think we have so many community cases? Some people don’t know where they caught it, others won’t say where they were.....

SleetAndSnow · 18-09-2020 05:14PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Contact tracers ask for your movements ~48hrs prior to the onset of symptoms. If they had tracked outbreaks to pubs, the HPSC data would reflect it. That’s simply not happening.

If they are only doing 48hrs beforehand, then how can they confirm where the disease originated from so why would the HPSC data show that? It might confirm why the data on outbreaks in pubs has remained stagnant at 5 outbreaks. It is most likely the cause of the community transmission as Philip Nolan said today.

It seems to be a resource issue as to why they wont go back past 48hrs

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1306936347106652161?s=20

And they apparently have tried to get funding

https://twitter.com/marietcasey/status/1306944612217622533?s=20

The fact that they haven't been given it, is a huge disgrace imo. If they had then indoor dining would most likely still be open and jobs kept. I blame the government for this one rather then NPHET/Contact tracing, they seem to be putting money into silly places.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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