Toulouse vs The Noble Sons of Ulster

Paul Smeenus · 18-09-2020 11:46am #1

A ragtag team of lovable misfits, rising from the ashes with plenty of heart, facing off against the cruel French princes of Europe. The only way we might see Ulster win this is if we watch it on Disney+.

What’s everyone’s team?

Want to see Carter contribute something if he gets the benefit of the doubt again. Jordi needs to shape up. O’Sullivan and O’Toole have been better than McGrath and Moore, but managing the front rows is its own dark art, and I’ll trust in McFarland.

With a back three of Stockdale, Lowry and Lyttle, would love to see us just properly bring them into the line. But if we go biccies and try to turn the game into harum-scarum Harlem Globetrotters stuff, Toulouse will put a million on us.

bilston · 18-09-2020 12:01pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

A ragtag team of lovable misfits, rising from the ashes with plenty of heart, facing off against the cruel French princes of Europe. The only way we might see Ulster win this is if we watch it on Disney+.

What’s everyone’s team?

Want to see Carter contribute something if he gets the benefit of the doubt again. Jordi needs to shape up. O’Sullivan and O’Toole have been better than McGrath and Moore, but managing the front rows is its own dark art, and I’ll trust in McFarland.

With a back three of Stockdale, Lowry and Lyttle, would love to see us just properly bring them into the line. But if we go biccies and try to turn the game into harum-scarum Harlem Globetrotters stuff, Toulouse will put a million on us.

I'd start McGrath, but keep O'Toole in. I'd throw Carter on from the start, and bring Murphy in with Reidy moving to 6 (pending Marcel's fitness).

I'd bring Cooney back in, and I would be tempted to chuck Madigan in. Keep 11 to 15 as was

awec · 18-09-2020 12:18pm

(15-9) Michael Lowry, Rob Lyttle, James Hume, Stuart McCloskey, Jacob Stockdale, Billy Burns, John Cooney.

(1-8) Jack McGrath, Rob Herring, Tom O’Toole, Alan O’Connor, Iain Henderson (Capt.), Sean Reidy, Jordi Murphy, Nick Timoney.

Replacements (16-23): John Andrew, Eric O’Sullivan, Marty Moore, Sam Carter, Kieran Treadwell, Alby Mathewson, Matt Faddes, Matthew Rea.

No Coetzee. Goodnight.

Where is McBurney?

Honestly think we're going to get comprehensively humped.

Paul Smeenus · 18-09-2020 1:05pm

awec wrote: »

(15-9) Michael Lowry, Rob Lyttle, James Hume, Stuart McCloskey, Jacob Stockdale, Billy Burns, John Cooney.

(1-8) Jack McGrath, Rob Herring, Tom O’Toole, Alan O’Connor, Iain Henderson (Capt.), Sean Reidy, Jordi Murphy, Nick Timoney.

Replacements (16-23): John Andrew, Eric O’Sullivan, Marty Moore, Sam Carter, Kieran Treadwell, Alby Mathewson, Matt Faddes, Matthew Rea.

No Coetzee. Goodnight.

Where is McBurney?

Honestly think we're going to get comprehensively humped.

McBurney has been bubbling under for a few years, and his reputation precedes McFarland. It's entirely possible McFarland is less impressed with his aggro than Kiss/Gibbes, or maybe simply doesn't rate him as highly as Andrew in a high-tempo, skills-orientated play style. Andrew is a perfectly capable deputy - the worry is just that Herring is going to be away with Ireland a lot more than anyone had foreseen a couple of years ago. Also, Andrew may not be amazing but his hair is.

6/2 split makes sense, would love to see Lowry get a bit of time at ten in the second half.

arsebiscuits1 · 18-09-2020 1:07pm

I can't see this going any other way without Coetzee

18-09-2020 1:14pm

Madigan left out entirely, surprised at that.

Paul Smeenus · 18-09-2020 1:23pm

Derrick Substantial Scalp wrote: »

Madigan left out entirely, surprised at that.

In part I'd say it's to do with the 6/2 spilt, but I'd also say McF thinks it's unlikely that we're going to be in a position to win with some accurate kicks from Madigan off the bench. With that in mind, Lowry will be ten back-up and, I hope, see a bit of game-time there in the second half.

While the media has gone mad for Mads, he's a stopgap - why not get Lowry some tough, pressured game time at ten when he's not going to be losing the game for us? Then he can start some ProWhatever games for us there when next season kicks off, in a few weeks.

awec · 18-09-2020 1:36pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

In part I'd say it's to do with the 6/2 spilt, but I'd also say McF thinks it's unlikely that we're going to be in a position to win with some accurate kicks from Madigan off the bench. With that in mind, Lowry will be ten back-up and, I hope, see a bit of game-time there in the second half.

While the media has gone mad for Mads, he's a stopgap - why not get Lowry some tough, pressured game time at ten when he's not going to be losing the game for us? Then he can start some ProWhatever games for us there when next season kicks off, in a few weeks.

I think we're just going to have a lash at it and hope for the best.

This is going to be the toughest test Mike Lowry has ever faced.

bilston · 18-09-2020 1:42pm

Get this game out of the way and then regroup for a couple of weeks ahead of the new season.

Just put in a good performance and enhance some reputations and avoid injuries please.

Also have a go. I'd rather lose by 20 points firing shots than lose 12-3. There is a time and place for slow and steady and keeping it tight. But not this weekend

irishbucsfan · 18-09-2020 1:53pm

Seems a very tough ask but I’d absolutely love to see Ulster pull this one off. Two massive games for both provinces this weekend can only hope were all celebrating afterwards

Utah_Saint · 18-09-2020 2:17pm

Surprised to see Madigan dropped. Faddes has been very poor any time i've seen him. Madigan could have covered 15 and 12, but i trust Dan.

As talented as Lowry is I still can't help but tense up every time I see him go into contact. Its like watching a 14 year old being dropped into the Senior team.

Utah_Saint · 18-09-2020 2:19pm

awec wrote: »

Where is McBurney?

Coaching Randalstown seniors. His old underage club.

ionadnapokot · 18-09-2020 2:25pm

Some pack from Toulouse.
Delighted this game is on Channel 4 and everybody will get to enjoy Dupont, Ntamack, Ramos & Kolbe.
Hope Lowry has a good game. Going to be massive challenge for him in defense.

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Paul Smeenus · 18-09-2020 2:35pm

Eek.

I mean, I knew it was coming anyway, but...

eek.

ionadnapokot · 18-09-2020 2:49pm

Imagine facing that lot in the tunnel!
This is a much beefier pack than last years team that lost to Leinster.
Plus Dupont is playing at 9 this time not 10!!

Their game from the weekend.
https://youtu.be/QF10XeAtI9w?t=2533

Leinster v Toulouse would be a great final.

mfceiling · 18-09-2020 5:16pm

No Coetzee = No chance

Paul Smeenus · 19-09-2020 6:00pm

All down to us now, lads.

bilston · 19-09-2020 7:16pm

In the end we've survived longer than anyone else in Europe.

Buer · 19-09-2020 9:40pm

bilston wrote: »

In the end we've survived longer than anyone else in Europe.

You monster.

bilston · 20-09-2020 10:46am

Buer wrote: »

You monster.

Long runs the fox...its obvious now that Ulster have been holding back for the last 5 weeks. This has already successfully lulled Leinster into a false sense of security and today will no doubt do the same to Toulouse.

Ulster for the win

awec · 20-09-2020 10:47am

bilston wrote: »

Long runs the fox...its obvious now that Ulster have been holding back for the last 5 weeks. This has already successfully lulled Leinster into a false sense of security and today will no doubt do the same to Toulouse.

Ulster for the win

Beer with the cornflakes this morning bilston?

launish116 · 20-09-2020 11:54am

mfceiling wrote: »

No Coetzee = No chance

Agreed, though teams game plans would of been to nullify him?

Burkie1203 · 20-09-2020 11:59am

38-17 to toulouse.

yerrahbah · 20-09-2020 12:17pm

O'Toole is out with Moore starting now.

Paul Smeenus · 20-09-2020 12:18pm

yerrahbah wrote: »

O'Toole is out with Moore starting now.

FFS. Is that Ross Kane on the bench then?

launish116 · 20-09-2020 12:18pm

Losing O’Toole another big blow for Ulster!

Gonna be a long shift for Marty Moore! When was the last time Kane had game time?

awec · 20-09-2020 12:19pm

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

FFS. Is that Ross Kane on the bench then?

Yes.

Not good.

Locke_Lamora · 20-09-2020 12:22pm

Glad we've got a 12.30 kick off. Let's get this over with nice and early, and hopefully I won't my bad mood will have faded before bed.

Paul Smeenus · 20-09-2020 12:23pm

As long as it's not a bad injury, we can move past it. Not expecting a miracle today.

Although Saracens showed yesterday that it's possible for a determined, plucky underdog to take down the Goliaths of rugby.

ionadnapokot · 20-09-2020 12:24pm

The more I listen to Jennings the more unbelievable I find it that he was an inspirational voice in the Leinster changing room.
“Oh man. Jeez”

mfceiling · 20-09-2020 12:28pm

Right...Ulster are winning this.

ionadnapokot · 20-09-2020 12:31pm

mfceiling wrote: »

Right...Ulster are winning this.

You are dreaming my friend!
Just enjoy Toulouse. It will be less painful!!

awec · 20-09-2020 12:33pm

I think Hume is screwed.

yerrahbah · 20-09-2020 12:35pm

what a start

mfceiling · 20-09-2020 12:35pm

Tackling non existent.... completely non existent.

ionadnapokot · 20-09-2020 12:36pm

Kolbe on Stockdales wing.
Gulp

yerrahbah · 20-09-2020 12:36pm

Who goes into the centre if Hume is gone?

awec · 20-09-2020 12:36pm

I think we’re screwed.

awec · 20-09-2020 12:39pm

Wtf was that Burns

launish116 · 20-09-2020 12:41pm

Toulouse forwards puffing a little already.

Faddes to 13?

yerrahbah · 20-09-2020 12:41pm

Thats better from Ulster.

yerrahbah · 20-09-2020 12:44pm

Why didn't Burns hold onto the ball there and draw the defender?

Diabhal Beag · 20-09-2020 12:44pm

Burns passed that a second too early

clsmooth · 20-09-2020 12:44pm

Poor by Burns there. Lovely break but needed to commit the defender.

ionadnapokot · 20-09-2020 12:44pm

awec wrote: »

Wtf was that Burns

And why did he throw that pass?
He’s making Sexton look good

razorblunt · 20-09-2020 12:45pm

Burns passed way too early, made it too easy for the full back.

ionadnapokot · 20-09-2020 12:49pm

Sensational from Dupont
Stockdale “tackling” is inexcusable at this stage

yerrahbah · 20-09-2020 12:49pm

Burns gone, oh god

yerrahbah · 20-09-2020 12:50pm

and Jordi Murphy just butchered a try

LuckyGent88 · 20-09-2020 12:50pm

Chance missed there. Lovely chip

Diabhal Beag · 20-09-2020 12:50pm

Class from Lowry

Toulouse vs The Noble Sons of Ulster

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