Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

Roger_007 · 18-09-2020 07:22AM

coastwatch wrote: »

It was just a nervous laugh during a live interview, nothing more.

Nervous my ar$e, I was watching that interview and it just confirmed for me that the people who are making up these stupid rules are in an economic bubble of their own. None of them will be losing jobs or being impacted economically in any way at all. They are all living in ivory towers oblivious to the damage that is being done to people’s lives.

Happydays2020 · 18-09-2020 07:25AM

Eod100 wrote: »

The Germans aren't messing about. Rightly so in fairness. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/american-woman-coronavirus-germany-bar-crawl-superspreader-b472632.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1600411391

What would they think of a health minister displaying the symptoms turning up to a Cabinet meeting?

bennyl10 · 18-09-2020 07:25AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Nervous my ar$e, I was watching that interview and it just confirmed for me that the people who are making up these stupid rules are in an economic bubble of their own. None of them will be losing jobs or being impacted economically in any way at all. They are all living in ivory towers oblivious to the damage that is being done to people’s lives.

She laughed at the question she is unqualified to answer

She Then gave her opinion, as a virologist

Economy comes second to people’s lives, this isn’t an “1% vs us” thing. This is dealing a virus!

caveat emptor · 18-09-2020 07:27AM

Steve F wrote: »

So, is this the beginning of the second wave that some said would never happen?
Genuine question.
History tells us that epidemics and Pandemics rarely only have one wave but.........

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This was always going to happen, not sure why people are really surprised tbh. Just how life goes.

Do you ever read what you type? You doubt we'll get one then it was always going to happen. Flip flop.

08-06-2020

ACitizenErased wrote: »

1) theres no clique, some people just chat utter tripe.

2) No. If we haven’t seen signs of it in other countries by now I doubt we’ll have one. Spikes and clusters dispersed yes, but not a wave.

Happydays2020 · 18-09-2020 07:27AM

Mark Paul nails it again in the Irish Times today.

Well-meaning but overly-cautious medical advice in June and July was not put through the sieve of economic and social pragmatism that ought to sit in the kitchen drawer of every government. Had ministers been willing to allow all hospitality businesses to trade with relevant safety measures when virus numbers were low, it might have fostered a temporary alcohol table-service café culture that would have also allowed certain sections of society to breathe.
Instead, the Government chose not to release this pressure valve and kept wet pubs closed, helping to cultivate a national crop of house parties and private gatherings that are now being blamed for the explosion in case numbers.

gmisk · 18-09-2020 07:29AM

Eod100 wrote: »

The Germans aren't messing about. Rightly so in fairness. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/american-woman-coronavirus-germany-bar-crawl-superspreader-b472632.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1600411391

Meanwhile in the UK...
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/cluster-of-covid-19-cases-in-south-wales-linked-to-doncaster-coach-trip-39540467.html

Their annual trip (to the races) went ahead
- despite not having tickets
- some members of the trip had symptoms & had taken a Covid test
They were drinking in pubs without waiting for test results

18-09-2020 07:34AM

mollser wrote: »

The virologist lady on Prime Time last night - after hearing about the dire economic consequences of what's proposed, she just started laughing saying how she wouldn't be qualified to speak on economics, show's a complete lack of 'roundedness' of these people. Quite insulting actually.

These people need an economics lesson in their own pockets to give them some perspective as to how the world actually works.

I thought that was terrible , she burst into loud laughter , really annoyed me too :mad:

18-09-2020 07:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Other posters haver replied to you. 100 cases of coronavirus in children week before schools opened. Why wouldn't there be cases of children infected who are attending schools. We were told to expect cases in children when they are back in school. Point is children dont infect other children or their teachers. What are you afraid of? Your children are more in danger of t he flu. Covid is not a big risk to children.

Woody, there is no evidence children don't infect other children or teachers. There is evidence, especially in younger age groups that it is less likely, however you have opened yourself up for one or Caveats gotchas here

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 07:37AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

What would they think of a health minister displaying the symptoms turning up to a Cabinet meeting?

He displayed symptoms of something, spoke to CMO, consulted the GP and tested negative and the drama was over. He's not the first politician in the world to have a COVID question about him.

rob316 · 18-09-2020 07:38AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Mark Paul nails it again in the Irish Times today.

Well-meaning but overly-cautious medical advice in June and July was not put through the sieve of economic and social pragmatism that ought to sit in the kitchen drawer of every government. Had ministers been willing to allow all hospitality businesses to trade with relevant safety measures when virus numbers were low, it might have fostered a temporary alcohol table-service café culture that would have also allowed certain sections of society to breathe.
Instead, the Government chose not to release this pressure valve and kept wet pubs closed, helping to cultivate a national crop of house parties and private gatherings that are now being blamed for the explosion in case numbers.

You can not change a country's culture overnight, pubs, tourism are a huge part of ours. We shut it all down for too long while the rest of Europe was wide open again. Pubs were one of the first things to reopen in Spain.
I think Leo was realising this and was starting to row back restrictions but the coalition was formed and Martin had different ideas.

DangerScouse · 18-09-2020 07:39AM

Eod100 wrote: »

The Germans aren't messing about. Rightly so in fairness. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/american-woman-coronavirus-germany-bar-crawl-superspreader-b472632.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1600411391

Love to hear this approach.

Gods Gift · 18-09-2020 07:40AM

Eod100 wrote: »

The Germans aren't messing about. Rightly so in fairness. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/american-woman-coronavirus-germany-bar-crawl-superspreader-b472632.html?utm_content=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1600411391

Tucker fooking Carlson.

Germans are right. People need to be punished.

mr_edge_to_you · 18-09-2020 07:42AM

prunudo wrote: »

Less of the 'we', its a minority ruining it for the majority.

Frustration is getting better of me. Sorry.

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 07:42AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Mark Paul nails it again in the Irish Times today.

Well-meaning but overly-cautious medical advice in June and July was not put through the sieve of economic and social pragmatism that ought to sit in the kitchen drawer of every government. Had ministers been willing to allow all hospitality businesses to trade with relevant safety measures when virus numbers were low, it might have fostered a temporary alcohol table-service café culture that would have also allowed certain sections of society to breathe.
Instead, the Government chose not to release this pressure valve and kept wet pubs closed, helping to cultivate a national crop of house parties and private gatherings that are now being blamed for the explosion in case numbers.

Mark Paul has very been grumpy about this since Day 1 but some days he gets past the ranting. The approach may be cautious but it's very pie in the sky to imagine we'd suddenly become a cafe society overnight. It's very elitist mush anyway, with his "certain sections of society allowed to breathe" schtick.

mollser · 18-09-2020 07:45AM

coastwatch wrote: »

It was just a nervous laugh during a live interview, nothing more.

Fair enough. Just show's the importance to have strong leaders moderating this stuff, she literally hadn't a clue about the unintended consequences of the advice!

thelad95 · 18-09-2020 07:47AM

mollser wrote: »

Fair enough. Just show's the importance to have strong leaders moderating this stuff, she literally hadn't a clue about the unintended consequences of the advice!

Has it been considered that perhaps she was laughing at the ridiculousness of being quizzed on the economic implications in the first place knowing herself that she has nothing to contribute towards the conversation?

The role of doctors and virologists in all this is simply to advise, it's up to the government to try and implement that advice if they see fit while safeguarding the economy.

boggerman1 · 18-09-2020 07:48AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Nervous my ar$e, I was watching that interview and it just confirmed for me that the people who are making up these stupid rules are in an economic bubble of their own. None of them will be losing jobs or being impacted economically in any way at all. They are all living in ivory towers oblivious to the damage that is being done to people’s lives.

There was another virologist on newstalk breakfast after 7 and when asked about the economic destruction there was nothing but silence.

Happydays2020 · 18-09-2020 07:49AM

is_that_so wrote: »

He displayed symptoms of something, spoke to CMO, consulted the GP and tested negative and the drama was over. He's not the first politician in the world to have a COVID question about him.

Well if a member of my staff had a cough and turned up to the office I would be furious as would his/her colleagues. Safety first. And this applies whether it was Covid, the flu or the common cold.

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 07:50AM

boggerman1 wrote: »

There was another virologist on newstalk breakfast after 7 and when asked about the economic destruction there was nothing but silence.

It's not their area so usually wise not to say nothing. There are plenty of media darlings out there waffling about stuff with no knowledge nor expertise.

OscarMIlde · 18-09-2020 07:51AM

manniot2 wrote: »

why is nobody asking any questions about the pcr cycles being used in Ireland. we are hunting for noninfectious cases and making massive economic and social decisions based on flawed data.

Why, have you some kind of insider knowledge on the assays being run by every testing site in Ireland?

RT-PCR detects the presence of viral RNA, it is easy to see from the curves generated whether an amplification is real. In terms of CT values, there is no 'housekeeping' gene we can use as a control, so a tester cannot tell whether late CTs are indicative of less viral load, or simply a poor swab. The test itself makes no claim as to the infectivity of the person tested.

However since people being referred for testing are either close contacts of a confirmed case or symptomatic people it is highly likely a positive PCR result is from someone with an active infection.

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 07:53AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Well if a member of my staff had a cough and turned up to the office I would be furious as would his/her colleagues. Safety first. And this applies whether it was Covid, the flu or the common cold.

Roll back to January of this year and you wouldn't have being diagnosing anything. Hard to shake off the habit of staggering into work when you think you're not really sick.

GooglePlus · 18-09-2020 07:56AM

boggerman1 wrote: »

There was another virologist on newstalk breakfast after 7 and when asked about the economic destruction there was nothing but silence.

Are they saving the virus questions for the Economist?

18-09-2020 07:56AM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Germans are right. People need to be punished.

That worked out well in the past.

Its one thing if someone had been diagnosed with covid and went about partying. Anything else is a witch hunt

billybonkers · 18-09-2020 07:56AM

So if we leave Dublin before this announcement today we're good to stay away for the week?

18-09-2020 07:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Woody, there is no evidence children don't infect other children or teachers. There is evidence, especially in younger age groups that it is less likely, however you have opened yourself up for one or Caveats gotchas here

I'm kinda bored with this conversation on schools. I'm not replying to anymore of them. Proof that schools are dangerous is "no evidence children don't infect others or children". We'll leave it there so. You got me good.
https://t.co/MwYwS9j8ek?amp=1

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 07:57AM

billybonkers wrote: »

So if we leave Dublin before this announcement today we're good to stay away for the week?

Once you're out, you're free!

Happydays2020 · 18-09-2020 08:00AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Roll back to January of this year and you wouldn't have being diagnosing anything. Hard to shake off the habit of staggering into work when you think you're not really sick.

Yes. I will roll back and I would have said the same thing. In other countries where I have worked, I and others have been rightfully taken to task by colleagues for turning up with a cough.

But aside from that the Minister for Health in a pandemic really should have known better.

Gods Gift · 18-09-2020 08:02AM

Dublin is our wuhan.
Weld the doors shut.

is_that_so · 18-09-2020 08:05AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Yes. I will roll back and I would have said the same thing. In other countries where I have worked, I and others have been rightfully taken to task by colleagues for turning up with a cough.

But aside from that the Minister for Health in a pandemic really should have known better.

Can't say I've experienced that in any of the countries I've worked in and it sounds like acute germophobia but each to their own.

drunkmonkey · 18-09-2020 08:06AM

billybonkers wrote: »

So if we leave Dublin before this announcement today we're good to stay away for the week?

I know people who are leaving for a month, houses booked out west going to work from home there instead.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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