Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

ixoy · 17-09-2020 11:50PM

I'm struggling still with the logic behind restaurants and whether they've looked at alternatives.
So if it's groups then why not whittle down the maximum of six to four to reduce the numbers of houses mixing? Then you're reducing economic impact, increasing safety and finding a balance than "shut it all down!" policy.

17-09-2020 11:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did you not get the script. Only covid deaths matter.

Only in your head.

sterz · 17-09-2020 11:52PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Biggest change would be "no travel to/from the region (absolutely can / pretty please?)".

And level 3 says additional restrictions for indoor dining. Level 4 mentions outdoor dining only. So Dublin to go to level 3.5?

martingriff · 17-09-2020 11:52PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

And the vast vast majority of people don’t:

There also the people who were not having the wild parties maybe 3 or 4 over for a drink

maebee · 17-09-2020 11:53PM

Man Vs ManUre wrote: »

There was a good thread about a disgusting runner who thought it was ok to openly blow his nose close to the poster who was walking along minding his/her business. I was about to reply then noticed the thread got closed.
.

I'm with you MVM. I walk every day, rural area. Joggers flying past me on the footpath. I'm doing the 2m distancing thing but the joggers just jog on inches from me. Very annoying.

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 11:54PM

ixoy wrote: »

I'm struggling still with the logic behind restaurants and whether they've looked at alternatives.
So if it's groups then why not whittle down the maximum of six to four to reduce the numbers of houses mixing? Then you're reducing economic impact, increasing safety and finding a balance than "shut it all down!" policy.

But that'd be intelligent. Why would we do that?

niallo27 · 17-09-2020 11:54PM

Let's do a new Zealand they said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-16/new-zealand-economy-contracts-the-most-since-great-depression?cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=business&utm_source=url_link&fbclid=IwAR2VAIQWk6_l_uCo7u7kkQLnUbRcsMPwhUkUiZO4LDpEnrYVAoSODprkg7E

sonofenoch · 17-09-2020 11:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Did you not get the script. Only covid deaths matter.

CDM?

I see a slogan opportunity ...

17-09-2020 11:55PM

One psychiatrist (head of Dundrum Mental Hospital) was on the radio a while back talking about how non-expert lay society has commandeered the term "Mental Health", aided and abetted by governments over the latter decades who decided to cut resources to psychiatric services.

What the lay person commonly means by the term used to popularly be called "Morale", but is now used as armour to garner people to one's own side of an argument.

Major Affective Disorders & Schizophrenia run their course aside from the ups and downs of living, morale is something we can give to each other with support and thought for others outside ourselves. Psychiatric services are even more underfunded than the general health services, and governments are only too glad to see the sphere coming under the remit of popular culture and unqualified individuals who set themselves up as experts on the area.

17-09-2020 11:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good discussion.

Less than 200 to die until year end per worldometer for ireland.

Those numbers seem quite similar to flu.

I'm sitting on the fence on this currently.

Numbers increasing is worrying but if increasing numbers do not cause major illness there is no massive problem.

We normally have on average 200 to 500 flu deaths a year, so not really.

Wolf359f · 17-09-2020 11:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Says an annoymous poster on boards

That site has been constantly inaccurate. You could see when they didn't update their model and see the vast difference from their projections to the actual cases/deaths.

growleaves · 17-09-2020 11:56PM

ixoy wrote: »

I'm struggling still with the logic behind restaurants and whether they've looked at alternatives.
So if it's groups then why not whittle down the maximum of six to four to reduce the numbers of houses mixing? Then you're reducing economic impact, increasing safety and finding a balance than "shut it all down!" policy.

Balance is for tightrope walkers ixoy. Cautious people launch economic embargoes against themselves.

niallo27 · 17-09-2020 11:57PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

But not all pubs are doing this. Off the two pubs in Carlow that I went to a couple of weeks ago one had a clipboard with a pen at the door for the customers to fill in their details, the other had the staff collecting the customers details and were following the guidelines regarding service etc.

Also your missing the point or maybe not, as already made that most people go back to a house and continue drinking with their mstes after the pub.

I'd certainly be one of those pre covid as I'd normally only get together with all my mates once a month given most of us being in our 30s and early 40a are now living outside Dublin and have young families.

So do you think they will drink at home after because the pubs are open or do you think they will anyway.

deisedevil · 17-09-2020 11:57PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

But that'd be intelligent. Why would we do that?

Idiots. How did they miss this? I'll bet they never even thought of it. They definitely didn't consider anything like that and decided against it for a good reason. No chance of that. They're just idiots. Highly educated group of fools. Aren't we clever though.

JP Liz V1 · 17-09-2020 11:57PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Nial Collins said on Prime Time that Dublin and other parts of the country will face new restrictions.

Is that a slip of the tongue?

Kildare again?

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 11:59PM

deisedevil wrote: »

Idiots. How did they miss this? I'll bet they never even thought of it. They definitely didn't consider anything like that and decided against it for a good reason. No chance of that. They're just idiots. Highly educated group of fools. Aren't we clever though.

They're no more educated in dealing with COVID than any other doctors.

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 11:59PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Kildare again?

Limerick.

17-09-2020 11:59PM

ixoy wrote: »

I'm struggling still with the logic behind restaurants and whether they've looked at alternatives.
So if it's groups then why not whittle down the maximum of six to four to reduce the numbers of houses mixing? Then you're reducing economic impact, increasing safety and finding a balance than "shut it all down!" policy.

Agree but if they do allow restaurants stay open, you would still have the vintners association doing their nut.

18-09-2020 12:00AM

DubInMeath wrote: »

We normally have on average 200 to 500 flu deaths a year, so not really.

Less than 200 deaths during last four months of year seems not horrendous. About 10 per cent of current total over last 6 months.

Goldengirl · 18-09-2020 12:01AM

El Sueño wrote: »

Christ almighty the amount of "I was right when I said x three months ago, you were wrong" style posts in the thread lately is nauseating, and from (presumably) grown adults aswell. It's embarrassing.

Yes it is probably very sickening for people to realise that all the time they were arguing that the virus was gone, weakening non existent and just flu bro , was just a crock of sxxx, and the others were right and there is a second wave , alright ?

But do you know what's even more sickening , that there is a second wave . No one wins here .

Wolf359f · 18-09-2020 12:01AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Let's do a new Zealand they said.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-16/new-zealand-economy-contracts-the-most-since-great-depression?cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=business&utm_source=url_link&fbclid=IwAR2VAIQWk6_l_uCo7u7kkQLnUbRcsMPwhUkUiZO4LDpEnrYVAoSODprkg7E

That's a surprise, then again I'm not an economist.
They also have the issue with opening borders, they can't really do it until not only a vaccine, but also enough doses to reach herd immunity.

18-09-2020 12:02AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

That site has been constantly inaccurate. You could see when they didn't update their model and see the vast difference from their projections to the actual cases/deaths.

Who has been accurate in all of this.

Fits into what some others are saying.

polesheep · 18-09-2020 12:02AM

I met a fella on the street earlier. I said, "Do you know that if you don't limit your contacts and abide by the restrictions, someone, somewhere, could die from Covid?" He said, "So?"

18-09-2020 12:03AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Kildare again?

I would say Louth.

Wolf359f · 18-09-2020 12:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who has been accurate in all of this.

Fits into what some others are saying.

Nobody, I don't believe any models of infections has been accurate at all.

18-09-2020 12:04AM

polesheep wrote: »

I met a fella on the street earlier. I said, "Do you know that if you don't limit your contacts and abide by the restrictions, someone, somewhere, could die from Covid?" He said, "So?"

Friend of yours?

Happydays2020 · 18-09-2020 12:04AM

polesheep wrote: »

I met a fella on the street earlier. I said, "Do you know that if you don't limit your contacts and abide by the restrictions, someone, somewhere, could die from Covid?" He said, "So?"

Well I have to admit that I have thought the same for the last 29 years with those lads with the megaphones on north earl street every Saturday preaching that sinners will rot in hell.

caveat emptor · 18-09-2020 12:06AM

El Sueño wrote: »

Christ almighty the amount of "I was right when I said x three months ago, you were wrong" style posts in the thread lately is nauseating, and from (presumably) grown adults aswell. It's embarrassing.

It must be very nauseating and embarrassing being so wrong for so long.
There's plenty of time to learn.

Goldengirl · 18-09-2020 12:06AM

Polar101 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tullamore-gps-informed-of-covid-19-cluster-among-golfing-group-1.4357892

So half of the golfing group tested positive, that sounds shocking.
Esker Hills golf course is near Tullamore, and the group also went to three pubs and a restaurant in town.

Which if they were obeying the guidelines should have been ok ?

Roger_007 · 18-09-2020 12:06AM

Everyone is talking about house parties being the source of all our woes. I’m not even sure what people mean by house parties anyway. If someone other than your immediate family is in your home, is that a house party? Is it only a house party if alcohol is involved? If you have some people in for a cup of coffee, is that a house party?
I think it’s time we got real about this issue. If people have nowhere else to meet up they are going to met in each other’s homes. There is no way short of imposing martial law that this can be prevented. Social interaction is an essential part of human life. Neither NPHET or the government or anyone else can change human nature, which is what they attempting to do. They are, of course, doomed to failure but the unfortunate thing is that they are doing an immense amount of social, mental health and economic damage in the attempt.
I hope this madness stops before irreparable damage is done but I fear that the technocrats and the medical dictators have assumed control.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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