Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

hotmail.com · 17-09-2020 11:34PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

The focus is on Dublin, but cases are rising across the country.
But they wouldn't go changing the 5 point plan now, would they? lol

The plan will be scrapped.

polesheep · 17-09-2020 11:35PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Why the hell do people need to gather? Is the threat of death not enough to inspire compliance? Spoiled brats one and all

We need more hermits.

billybonkers · 17-09-2020 11:36PM

Put yourself in NPHET and cabinet shoes. If you could prevent someone dying would you do your best to limit the spread of this thing to stop people getting sick and dying? They are in a tough spot making these choices. I for one do not envy any of them.

They don't have the powers to go into people's homes unless you want to change our constitution?

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 11:36PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is Level 3 for Dublin just closure of gyms, pubs and restaurants?

Are gyms closing ?

17-09-2020 11:36PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Interesting discussion on Question Time now, they are saying that either strain of virus has weakened or there simply isn't the vulnerable around to kill as they were already killed in the first wave. Also one contributor said it's not lives V's the economy it's now lives V's lives where many more will be killed by lack of cancer services, mental health issues and suicide.

Good discussion.

Less than 200 to die until year end per worldometer for ireland.

Those numbers seem quite similar to flu.

I'm sitting on the fence on this currently.

Numbers increasing is worrying but if increasing numbers do not cause major illness there is no massive problem.

17-09-2020 11:37PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

We do know they are not mutually exclusive right?

A lot of people have a house party AFTER the pub.

In fact one very much leads to the other. A lot of drink taken = reduction in caution.

martingriff · 17-09-2020 11:38PM

There was a guy on the tonight show and talking about Dublin and places may close. Matt was all for economy. But there was an economists was on and said there was other countries with higher numbers but keep pubs open. Matt asked the question if the pubs had closed in these areas would cases be down. The guy paused for a second staring at Matt and then goes sheepishly maybe and dropped it

Wolf359f · 17-09-2020 11:39PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Good discussion.

Less than 200 to die until year end per worldometer for ireland.

Those numbers seem quite similar to flu.

Find someone who can read tea leaves, they will be more accurate than that site.

John O.Groats · 17-09-2020 11:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

In fact one very much leads to the other. A lot of drink taken = reduction in caution.

And yet some have difficulty in grasping this.

billybonkers · 17-09-2020 11:40PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Are gyms closing ?

Yes only allowed open for private individual training sessions. I know flyefit are ready to close again if needed

martingriff · 17-09-2020 11:41PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Put yourself in NPHET and cabinet shoes. If you could prevent someone dying would you do your best to limit the spread of this thing to stop people getting sick and dying? They are in a tough spot making these choices. I for one do not envy any of them.

They don't have the powers to go into people's homes unless you want to change our constitution?

Well I have no problem with NPHET as this is what there remit is they are not there for anything else but government has to balance heath with mental health economy etc

17-09-2020 11:41PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Find someone who can read tea leaves, they will be more accurate than that site.

Says an annoymous poster on boards

17-09-2020 11:41PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good discussion.

Less than 200 to die until year end per worldometer for ireland.

Those numbers seem quite similar to flu.

We ha r to remember though that the Influenza doesn't bow out just because it's rival virus has taken centre stage. Deaths from viruses this season will be Covid deaths + Influenza deaths. They aren't alternatives to each other, but an accumulated hazard.

Deeper Blue · 17-09-2020 11:42PM

Christ almighty the amount of "I was right when I said x three months ago, you were wrong" style posts in the thread lately is nauseating, and from (presumably) grown adults aswell. It's embarrassing.

Polar101 · 17-09-2020 11:42PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tullamore-gps-informed-of-covid-19-cluster-among-golfing-group-1.4357892

Up to 20 golfers on a holiday in the midlands have tested positive for Covid-19 prompting the HSE to issue a circular detailing their movements to GPs practising in the region.

The letter, sent out on Wednesday, explained that a group of 40 people had stayed at the Bridge House Hotel in Tullamore, Co Offaly, between September 6th and 10th.

While there, they played golf at Esker Hills and another club course.

So half of the golfing group tested positive, that sounds shocking.
Esker Hills golf course is near Tullamore, and the group also went to three pubs and a restaurant in town.

Atlantic Dawn · 17-09-2020 11:43PM

Have the government a legal obligation to inform each household of the restrictions they must live under?

niallo27 · 17-09-2020 11:43PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Put yourself in NPHET and cabinet shoes. If you could prevent someone dying would you do your best to limit the spread of this thing to stop people getting sick and dying? They are in a tough spot making these choices. I for one do not envy any of them.

They don't have the powers to go into people's homes unless you want to change our constitution?

How far do you go though, you could keep these restrictions long after a vaccine and prolong 1000s of lives, but would you sacrifice all that comes with it.

17-09-2020 11:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We ha r to remember though that the Influenza doesn't bow out just because it's rival virus has taken centre stage. Deaths from viruses this season will be Covid deaths + Influenza deaths. They aren't alternatives to each other, but an accumulated hazard.

Did you not get the script. Only covid deaths matter.

speckle · 17-09-2020 11:44PM

Well, just thinking out loud here, from a contact tracing point of view, if they are in a pub earlier or even split between two pubs, as long a even one person is honest and tells the contact tracers, they can work backwards to the house party, but that takes time and effort that could be used elsewhere, like talking through things with people or families that have just tested positive.

So, I would prefer if people tried to keep to the household visitors guidelines as close as possible. Or at least keep a list at list for contact tracing if you are in a group drinking (before you get drunk/stoned),.

And remember contact tracers, will not be judgemental so be honest with them at least.

Polar101 · 17-09-2020 11:44PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is Level 3 for Dublin just closure of gyms, pubs and restaurants?

Biggest change would be "no travel to/from the region (absolutely can / pretty please?)".

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 11:45PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Christ almighty the amount of "I was right when I said x three months ago, you were wrong" style posts in the thread lately is nauseating, and from (presumably) grown adults aswell. It's embarrassing.

It's not really a new thing on here

growleaves · 17-09-2020 11:45PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Christ almighty the amount of "I was right when I said x three months ago, you were wrong" style posts in the thread lately is nauseating, and from (presumably) grown adults aswell. It's embarrassing.

I predicted a month ago that people would adopt that posting style and now they have.

CatFromHue · 17-09-2020 11:46PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Yes only allowed open for private individual training sessions. I know flyefit are ready to close again if needed

Gyms, leisure centres and swimming pools

Gyms/leisure centres/swimming pools open with protective measures, for individual training only.

These can open with protective measures, for individual training only.

My take on this is no classes but you're ok to still work away in the gym by yourself.

martingriff · 17-09-2020 11:46PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Nial Collins said on Prime Time that Dublin and other parts of the country will face new restrictions.

Is that a slip of the tongue?

There was others who had been linked with Dublin for a while Tipp and Limerick been 2. I think those 2 have severely been reduced. I don't see other for the time being. Collins like saying things to be noticed

17-09-2020 11:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'd rather they drank in a controlled environment with contact tracing in place rather than stay in a house, to be honest. Maybe I'm insane?

But not all pubs are doing this. Off the two pubs in Carlow that I went to a couple of weeks ago one had a clipboard with a pen at the door for the customers to fill in their details, the other had the staff collecting the customers details and were following the guidelines regarding service etc.

Also your missing the point or maybe not, as already made that most people go back to a house and continue drinking with their mstes after the pub.

I'd certainly be one of those pre covid as I'd normally only get together with all my mates once a month given most of us being in our 30s and early 40a are now living outside Dublin and have young families.

hotmail.com · 17-09-2020 11:49PM

martingriff wrote: »

There was others who had been linked with Dublin for a while Tipp and Limerick been 2. I think those 2 have severely been reduced. I don't see other for the time being. Collins like saying things to be noticed

And a junior minister, pointless.

martingriff · 17-09-2020 11:49PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Have the government a legal obligation to inform each household of the restrictions they must live under?

What do you mean by that. Are people this stupid the government has to sepell out things for them or is it a convenient way of going well they never told me

martingriff · 17-09-2020 11:49PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

And a junior minister, pointless.

YES

JP Liz V1 · 17-09-2020 11:49PM

Polar101 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/tullamore-gps-informed-of-covid-19-cluster-among-golfing-group-1.4357892

So half of the golfing group tested positive, that sounds shocking.
Esker Hills golf course is near Tullamore, and the group also went to three pubs and a restaurant in town.

Any also at the Clifden golf event?

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 11:50PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

My take on this is no classes but you're ok to still work away in the gym by yourself.

The problem for business is that the incoherent and inconsistent advice means the risk of voiding insurance so they just have to close.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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