Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

17-09-2020 11:19PM

I don’t even think that house parties are THAT rampant.

But there is literally nothing fun to do anymore. So groups of 8 or 9 would rather sit in a house and have a laugh.

Closing pubs and restaurants now will probably cause cases to increase!

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 11:19PM

rusty cole wrote: »

actually we were all doing fine until two things happened. The meat factories caused huge clusters from lack of social distancing, but that was never enforced or investigated and you have yer hole if you think schools are not driving cases. Back to school days are not just school settings..it's a whole culture of kids been lon lockdown and bored all summer. when they go the shops for lunch or go outside to sit on the grass, they do what?? the all huddle together and look at one smart phone video while they all laugh. when they laugh, the sputum goes on the phones...how do we operated the phones??with our hands!! pass the phone to one another to swipe through what's essentially an agar dish now!!

Im fed up hearing doctors lay the blame on private homes..

Yes but a lot of homes have them ...kids I mean , the petri dish of society

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 11:20PM

Arghus wrote: »

Okay, fair enough, but have you considered that by having those parties and what not you aren't doing anything to try to help to get the virus under control - which is the fundamental reason all these restrictions exist in the first place - and you're actually prolonging the misery for everyone, including yourself.

And basically saying fck restrictions and fck responsibilities is a further argument for restrictions - because some people can't be relied on to act with responsibility and consideration for others.

I don't think there's anyone saying have parties? People are saying open the pubs so people don't have parties.

Gods Gift · 17-09-2020 11:20PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Most likely from midnight tomorrow. Passwords? What are you on about?

Not a deadly buzz dat.

growleaves · 17-09-2020 11:20PM

Steve F wrote: »

So, is this the beginning of the second wave that some said would never happen?
Genuine question.
History tells us that epidemics and Pandemics rarely only have one wave but.........

Well according to Gerry Killeen the second wave started in July so who knows. This might be the latter half of the second wave or it might be the third wave.

normanoffside · 17-09-2020 11:21PM

I still think the restriction of people watching or playing sports outdoors is completely disproportionate to any risks.

Level 3 and 4 stops all matches except 'elite' sports.

Totally stupid and counterproductive to the physical and mental health of the population.

stephenjmcd · 17-09-2020 11:22PM

speckle wrote: »

Epidemiological transmission restrictions, should be clear , concise, easy to follow, with definite transition points for movement to/from each stage. And easy to maintain for a long time without fatigue and not seem as collective punishment. And most importantly shine a light on the way out of a pandemic situation.

Having the government drop a level zero from the plan, as they thought it would give false hope, had me worried that they really have no insight into the minds and hearts of ordinary people, most of whom are trying their best and need to see hope some where in the future.
We lack good quality leadership.

Just shows that the plan isn't worth the paper its written on.

It was questioned the other day would bits and pieces be chopped and changed to suit a county and Martin just said the plan is the plan.

Its quite clear the plan isn't the plan

caveat emptor · 17-09-2020 11:24PM

Steve F wrote: »

Same reason some are champing at the bit to go abroad,go to a pub etc etc....no discipline.Cannot be denied anything....it's their right

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 11:25PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Do you always respond like that when someone does not agree with you or has a contrary view? Or someone who even questions the premise that shutting down cafes and restaurants which have not been a problem is counter productive?

You are absolutely entitled to your point of view, but at the same time I am absolutely entitled to challenge it. I did not insult you. I played the ball and not the man.

You didn't read my post and replied in a condescending manner , so yeah would be pissed at someone who did that .
I am discussing your post not insulting you .
Next time give me the courtesy of doing the same .

niallo27 · 17-09-2020 11:25PM

Arghus wrote: »

Okay, fair enough, but have you considered that by having those parties and what not you aren't doing anything to try to help to get the virus under control - which is the fundamental reason all these restrictions exist in the first place - and you're actually prolonging the misery for everyone, including yourself.

And basically saying fck restrictions and fck responsibilities is a further argument for restrictions - because some people can't be relied on to act with responsibility and consideration for others.

Why not go after these people instead of punishing honest businesses who are doing the right thing.

caveat emptor · 17-09-2020 11:26PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don't think there's anyone saying have parties? People are saying open the pubs so people don't have parties.

We do know they are not mutually exclusive right?

A lot of people have a house party AFTER the pub.

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 11:27PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Just shows that the plan isn't worth the paper its written on.

It was questioned the other day would bits and pieces be chopped and changed to suit a county and Martin just said the plan is the plan.

Its quite clear the plan isn't the plan

This is worrying.

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 11:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

We do know they are not mutually exclusive right?

A lot of people have a house party AFTER the pub.

I'd rather they drank in a controlled environment with contact tracing in place rather than stay in a house, to be honest. Maybe I'm insane?

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 11:27PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

We do know they are not mutually exclusive right?

A lot of people have a house party AFTER the pub.

And the vast vast majority of people don’t:

Arghus · 17-09-2020 11:28PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I don't think there's anyone saying have parties? People are saying open the pubs so people don't have parties.

Do you really think pubs being open is going to stop people having house parties? In my experience they usually come before and after going to the pub.

And let me get this straight everyone who goes to a pub obeys every restriction to the letter, doesn't outstay their welcome or take the piss - but just become absolute animals when the option of going to the pub is removed?

Atlantic Dawn · 17-09-2020 11:28PM

Interesting discussion on Question Time now, they are saying that either strain of virus has weakened or there simply isn't the vulnerable around to kill as they were already killed in the first wave. Also one contributor said it's not lives V's the economy it's now lives V's lives where many more will be killed by lack of cancer services, mental health issues and suicide.

17-09-2020 11:28PM

Arghus wrote: »

Okay, fair enough, but have you considered that by having those parties and what not you aren't doing anything to try to help to get the virus under control - which is the fundamental reason all these restrictions exist in the first place - and you're actually prolonging the misery for everyone, including yourself.

And basically saying fck restrictions and fck responsibilities is a further argument for restrictions - because some people can't be relied on to act with responsibility and consideration for others.

To be honest, I haven’t had any major party. But I’ve had friends over to the house. On some occasions, 6 - 10 people.

It is probably not a good thing in terms of the virus.

But I would have gone crazy without it. And I am rather introverted. Can’t imagine what an extrovert must be experiencing.

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 11:28PM

Arghus wrote: »

Do you really think pubs been open is going to stop people having house parties? In my experience they usually come before and after going to the pub.

And let me get this straight everyone who goes to a pub obeys every restriction to the letter, doesn't outstay their welcome or take the piss - but just become absolute animals when the option of going to the pub is removed?

Would you rather people drank in controlled environments or uncontrolled environments?

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 11:29PM

Arghus wrote: »

Do you really think pubs been open is going to stop people having house parties? In my experience they usually come before and after going to the pub?

And let me get this straight everyone who goes to a pub obeys every restriction to the letter, doesn't outstay their welcome or take the piss - but just become absolute animals when the option of going to the pub is removed?

I don’t give a sh1t about the pubs but the idea they now want to close cafes and restaurants who have not driven this increase is economic sabotage.

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 11:29PM

The fact is anyway the pubs are opening on Monday, restaurants and cafes are remaining open and any debate about it is irrelevant at this stage.

John O.Groats · 17-09-2020 11:29PM

Arghus wrote: »

People who make the argument that all that's going to happen by closing pubs is people having parties and flouting restrictions - can people not take personal responsibility and not do these things? You don't have to have that party, you don't have to have all those people back at your house - fundamentally you can't blame the government all of the time if the issue is about personal responsibility.

Well when you have characters on this forum actively encouraging people to have house parties, to take part in protest marches etc etc and who delusionally maintain that Covid is not a serious illness then I would think that personal responsibility is an alien concept to these types. Sure it`s all about their "rights".

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 11:30PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Would you rather people drank in controlled environments or uncontrolled environments?

It is not just drinking. A meal around a big table in a well aired hotel is far safer than a packed living room in a house.

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 11:31PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

It is not just drinking. A meal around a big table in a well aired hotel is far safer than a packed living room in a house.

very true

niallo27 · 17-09-2020 11:31PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Interesting discussion on Question Time now, they are saying that either strain of virus has weakened or there simply isn't the vulnerable around to kill as they were already killed in the first wave. Also one contributor said it's not lives V's the economy it's now lives V's lives where many more will be killed by lack of cancer services, mental health issues and suicide.

Don't you know only a covid death matters anymore, its the only stat thst is reported daily.

hotmail.com · 17-09-2020 11:31PM

Nial Collins said on Prime Time that Dublin and other parts of the country will face new restrictions.

Is that a slip of the tongue?

martingriff · 17-09-2020 11:32PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Would you rather people drank in controlled environments or uncontrolled environments?

But that is what they are aying people who drink at home will continue to do regardless. I know a lot of people who will do most of there drinking before and after due to prices. Pubs open will not stop that. If people believe pubs will gagically stop people drinking at home and have people over are deluded

Polar101 · 17-09-2020 11:33PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I'd rather they drank in a controlled environment with contact tracing in place rather than stay in a house, to be honest. Maybe I'm insane?

Wouldn't people normally have a few drinks in the house, then head out to a pub/nightclub, and then head back to a house with a takeaway for some more drinks? I don't see how it's possible to remove the 'house stage' of parties even if pubs were to open?

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 11:33PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

It is not just drinking. A meal around a big table in a well aired hotel is far safer than a packed living room in a house.

Depends on the hotel, size of restaurant or living room or garden . So many variables .
But yes, I agree, I don't think restaurants , that are complying , should be shut .

Wolf359f · 17-09-2020 11:33PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Nial Collins said on Prime Time that Dublin and other parts of the country will face new restrictions.

Is that a slip of the tongue?

The focus is on Dublin, but cases are rising across the country.
But they wouldn't go changing the 5 point plan now, would they? lol

JP Liz V1 · 17-09-2020 11:33PM

Is Level 3 for Dublin just closure of gyms, pubs and restaurants?

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