Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

niallo27 · 17-09-2020 11:04PM

Arghus wrote: »

How can break the rules and be regulated.

Would you prefer the people who will do what they want anyway to drink in pubs or drink at home.

Jinglejangle69 · 17-09-2020 11:04PM

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Why have communions and confirmations been allowed go ahead in recent weeks? I've lost count of the amount of 'small family gatherings' that took place to celebrate the big day. Surely these things are not that important that they can't wait until next year.

That's the cause of the high numbers.

17-09-2020 11:05PM

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Why have communions and confirmations been allowed go ahead in recent weeks? I've lost count of the amount of 'small family gatherings' that took place to celebrate the big day. Surely these things are not that important that they can't wait until next year.

Normally big money spinners for restaurants and pubs

iamwhoiam · 17-09-2020 11:06PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Is there any other type?

Yes

Steve F · 17-09-2020 11:06PM

So, is this the beginning of the second wave that some said would never happen?
Genuine question.
History tells us that epidemics and Pandemics rarely only have one wave but.........

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 11:07PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

It will be far easier to control licensed premises than private homes. History has shown this.

I don’t disagree that there is an issue. I just think the response is misguided. The problem is not in regulated premises, rather the contrary.

NPHET want another lockdown but the people are not with them on this one - in March it was the people who demanded it.

Sorry , you are not The People !
You are one poster here on an internet forum.
I have explained in the post you replied to why I believe , not think , that pubs are not the safe haven some would have us believe .
So yes say you don't agree but don't come back with a condescending post like that , to me ,again , thank you .

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 11:07PM

Steve F wrote: »

So, is this the beginning of the second wave that some said would never happen?
Genuine question.
History tells us that epidemics and Pandemics rarely only have one wave but.........

This was always going to happen, not sure why people are really surprised tbh. Just how life goes.

Wolf359f · 17-09-2020 11:07PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

But opening pubs wouldn't make any difference to people who are having a family group at their home .
They still would not go to the pub as numbers limited so these people will still have that get together at home .

I think it was a mistake to drive those indoors . It should have been left at 15 outside in garden and there might have been compliance .

Would have made more sense to separate certain social gatherings and align them with weddings.
The likes of a communion/confirmation/christening, the majority may still be occurring in houses (an uncontrolled environment). If they were allowed use function rooms in hotels/pubs, it could have been controlled more.

17-09-2020 11:07PM

niallo27 wrote: »

That's fair enough but the data says transmission is coming from private houses, how is this stopping private houses from getting together. If anything its making the situation worse.

actually we were all doing fine until two things happened. The meat factories caused huge clusters from lack of social distancing, but that was never enforced or investigated and you have yer hole if you think schools are not driving cases. Back to school days are not just school settings..it's a whole culture of kids been lon lockdown and bored all summer. when they go the shops for lunch or go outside to sit on the grass, they do what?? the all huddle together and look at one smart phone video while they all laugh. when they laugh, the sputum goes on the phones...how do we operated the phones??with our hands!! pass the phone to one another to swipe through what's essentially an agar dish now!!

Im fed up hearing doctors lay the blame on private homes..

MOR316 · 17-09-2020 11:07PM

Best get my 9 euro meals in tomorrow in Dublin before they close them down

Arghus · 17-09-2020 11:07PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Would you prefer the people who will do what they want anyway to drink in pubs or drink at home.

I'm sure if given the choice they'll do both.

I'm not arguing in favour of house parties, I think people shouldn't have them - but I think people who have house parties will also go to the pub. It's not an either or.

ACitizenErased · 17-09-2020 11:07PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Sorry , you are not The People !
You are one poster here on an internet forum.
I have explained in the post you replied to why I believe , not think , that pubs are not the safe haven some would have us believe .
So yes say you don't agree but don't come back with a condescending post like that , to me ,again , thank you .

Is a pub (which is closed rn) safer than a house party (which are happening in their droves, apparently) in your opinion?

Steve F · 17-09-2020 11:09PM

thegreengoblin wrote: »

Why have communions and confirmations been allowed go ahead in recent weeks? I've lost count of the amount of 'small family gatherings' that took place to celebrate the big day. Surely these things are not that important that they can't wait until next year.

Same reason some are champing at the bit to go abroad,go to a pub etc etc....no discipline.Cannot be denied anything....it's their right

gmisk · 17-09-2020 11:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

This was always going to happen, not sure why people are really surprised tbh. Just how life goes.

In fairness there were plenty of people on here saying there wouldn't be a second wave.

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 11:11PM

alentejo wrote: »

The evidence would tend to suggest that the home is the most risky environment not necessarily pubs.

The " evidence" is not a bit biased , would you say ,seeing as it is relying on the premises taking names and contact numbers , which some of these places aren't , and a host of other unreliable, unscientific and wholly subjective methods of collecting the "data " ?

Atlantic Dawn · 17-09-2020 11:12PM

MOR316 wrote: »

Best get my 9 euro meals in tomorrow in Dublin before they close them down

And a short back and sides on the way home

17-09-2020 11:13PM

Gods Gift wrote: »

Is there any other type?

There's the me-type of Dub

niallo27 · 17-09-2020 11:13PM

Arghus wrote: »

I'm sure if given the choice they'll do both.

I'm not arguing in favour of house parties, I think people shouldn't have them - but I think people who have house parties will also go to the pub. It's not an either or.

Get off the fence man. Sure if it stops one house party isn't it worth opening the pubs.

hotmail.com · 17-09-2020 11:14PM

They are better closing the pubs at 6 tomorrow to avoid a rush.

MOR316 · 17-09-2020 11:14PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

And a short back and sides on the way home

Actually got that done earlier on

One last substantial meals/beer day in Dublin :cool:

dmakc · 17-09-2020 11:14PM

How soon are these new restrictions likely to be enforced? I imagine travel will be impossible to curtail given there are essential conditions (i.e. passwords) which anyone can use even if there were roadblocks

Happydays2020 · 17-09-2020 11:14PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Sorry , you are not The People !
You are one poster here on an internet forum.
I have explained in the post you replied to why I believe , not think , that pubs are not the safe haven some would have us believe .
So yes say you don't agree but don't come back with a condescending post like that , to me ,again , thank you .

Do you always respond like that when someone does not agree with you or has a contrary view? Or someone who even questions the premise that shutting down cafes and restaurants which have not been a problem is counter productive?

You are absolutely entitled to your point of view, but at the same time I am absolutely entitled to challenge it. I did not insult you. I played the ball and not the man.

thegreengoblin · 17-09-2020 11:14PM

Steve F wrote: »

Same reason some are champing at the bit to go abroad,go to a pub etc etc....no discipline.Cannot be denied anything....it's their right

But why were they actually allowed to go ahead in the first place? The churches and the schools should have had a bit of cop on here, they knew damn well that some families were not just going to head home after little Jimmy's big day and have a quiet night in.

niallo27 · 17-09-2020 11:15PM

rusty cole wrote: »

actually we were all doing fine until two things happened. The meat factories caused huge clusters from lack of social distancing, but that was never enforced or investigated and you have yer hole if you think schools are not driving cases. Back to school days are not just school settings..it's a whole culture of kids been lon lockdown and bored all summer. when they go the shops for lunch or go outside to sit on the grass, they do what?? the all huddle together and look at one smart phone video while they all laugh. when they laugh, the sputum goes on the phones...how do we operated the phones??with our hands!! pass the phone to one another to swipe through what's essentially an agar dish now!!

Im fed up hearing doctors lay the blame on private homes..

Not dismissing them, they are a huge cause for the increase but numbers were on the rise before schools went back.

MOR316 · 17-09-2020 11:15PM

Shut all museums, bars, restaurants to stop the virus spreading, even though they aren't spreading it and it won't make any bit of a difference.

Classic Ireland

Plumbthedepths · 17-09-2020 11:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Meat factory hotel golfing wet pub house party personal responsibility selfish cluster.
Did I miss any?

' granny killers'

speckle · 17-09-2020 11:17PM

Epidemiological transmission restrictions, should be clear , concise, easy to follow, with definite transition points for movement to/from each stage. And easy to maintain for a long time without fatigue and not seem as collective punishment. And most importantly shine a light on the way out of a pandemic situation.

Having the government drop a level zero from the plan, as they thought it would give false hope, had me worried that they really have no insight into the minds and hearts of ordinary people, most of whom are trying their best and need to see hope some where in the future.
We lack good quality leadership.

John O.Groats · 17-09-2020 11:17PM

dmakc wrote: »

How soon are these new restrictions likely to be enforced? I imagine travel will be impossible to curtail given there are essential conditions (i.e. passwords) which anyone can use even if there were roadblocks

Most likely from midnight tomorrow. Passwords? What are you on about?

Goldengirl · 17-09-2020 11:18PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Would have made more sense to separate certain social gatherings and align them with weddings.
The likes of a communion/confirmation/christening, the majority may still be occurring in houses (an uncontrolled environment). If they were allowed use function rooms in hotels/pubs, it could have been controlled more.

Agree . And a lot of those people would have done just that .
Those events are important for people and a lot were cancelled earlier in the year .
Would be delighted myself to have had the excuse not to have em when mine were that age, though .

Arghus · 17-09-2020 11:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Life is for living, not surviving.

I won’t waste whatever precious time I have on this planet.

Okay, fair enough, but have you considered that by having those parties and what not you aren't doing anything to try to help to get the virus under control - which is the fundamental reason all these restrictions exist in the first place - and you're actually prolonging the misery for everyone, including yourself.

And basically saying fck restrictions and fck responsibilities is a further argument for restrictions - because some people can't be relied on to act with responsibility and consideration for others.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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