Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0917/1165889-dublin-restaurants-cabinet-nphet/

A spokesperson for the LVA, which represents Dublin publicans, said the proposal would put Dublin city and county at Level 3 of the plan; bars serving food, restaurants and cafes at Level 4; with wet pubs at a level stricter than Level 5.

He also questioned "why is NPHET focusing on the hospitality sector, when the latest data from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre shows such a low number of cases linked to bars serving food."

Why is the hospitality sector being singled out by NPHET? Restaurants and cafés and pubs that serve food in Dublin are being punished for something that is not their fault. Isn't that collective punishment?

Balmed Out wrote: »

Most of the mingling in homes isnt the parties that get the headlines its cousins, friends etc. If there's a clear message to stop that the curtain twitching of neighbors is enough to stop the majority of it. Societal norms of behavior cause most people to behave accordingly most of the time.

Oh I know, Communion and Confirmation parties are ongoing also.
And when I say party, I don't mean strangers in the house, I know it can be extended family also as shown in the reports.

I remember on day 1 (12th March?) when Leo closed the schools and announced that we should all be careful, maintain our distance form others, wash our hands and work from home where possible, we all bought into everything.

That's pretty much the level that Sweden has maintained throughout the pandemic.

Unfortunately there were so many curtain twitchers in Ireland so we shared photos of crowded pubs and got them closed. (fair enough but the government should have closed them first- not under social media peer pressure).

Then we shared photos of lots of people at tourist spots and outdoors in parks so we got government to introduce 2km then 5km travel restrictions which we can all realise now were pointless. (this seems ludicrous now when it is clear that transmission doesn't happen outdoors and more sunlight helps fight infection)

So soon enough because of public outrage everything was shut down bar the essentials and we could barely go outside (counterproductive) .


I still believe that if we had just stayed at the original level of advice given on 12th March to be careful, wash hands, work from home where possible and not gather in large groups then we would be in a much better position overall now- just like Sweden.

As it stands we are going backwards because of previous restrictions and fatigue of the whole situation.

political analyst wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0917/1165889-dublin-restaurants-cabinet-nphet/



Why is the hospitality sector being singled out by NPHET? Restaurants and cafés and pubs that serve food in Dublin are being punished for something that is not their fault. Isn't that collective punishment?

Turns out NPHET got food poisoning from an establishment and have it in for them since.

little bess wrote: »

Big cluster linked to hotel in Tullamore

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1306709635219496962?s=20

14 of the group golfed

Golf again!!!!

Eod100 wrote: »

Because community transmission is so high. Need to break chains of transmission so people massively reduce contacts and reduce being indoor public settings. Its very unfortunate for them but cant see many continuing to go to them in Dublin even if still open with the level of cases being so high. Need short and severe measures to try to reduce case level.

That's fair enough but the data says transmission is coming from private houses, how is this stopping private houses from getting together. If anything its making the situation worse.

niallo27 wrote: »

That's fair enough but the data says transmission is coming from private houses, how is this stopping private houses from getting together. If anything its making the situation worse.

but but but

hotmail.com wrote: »

No social distancing in that place obviously.

Or maybe they all travelled on the same bus with no air cons etc? Need more details...

niallo27 wrote: »

That's fair enough but the data says transmission is coming from private houses, how is this stopping private houses from getting together. If anything its making the situation worse.

As part of measures only 1 household allowed visit other household. Level 3 will send strong signal to people they need to reduce contacts in general. Transmission in households not surprising when community transmission so high and when people spend a lot of their time with others in household.

Arghus wrote: »

People who make the argument that all that's going to happen by closing pubs is people having parties and flouting restrictions - can people not take personal responsibility and not do these things? You don't have to have that party, you don't have to have all those people back at your house - fundamentally you can't blame the government all of the time if the issue is about personal responsibility.

So ill ask you the question if these people are going break the rules anyway would you prefer them to drink in pubs and be regulated or to drink at home and not.

niallo27 wrote: »

So ill ask you the question if these people are going break the rules anyway would you prefer them to drink in pubs and be regulated or to drink at home and not.

How can they break the rules and be regulated. They're either regulated or they're breaking the rules. I don't buy the argument that these people stick rigidly to the rules in pubs, but then become rule breakers outside of pubs.

Why have communions and confirmations been allowed go ahead in recent weeks? I've lost count of the amount of 'small family gatherings' that took place to celebrate the big day. Surely these things are not that important that they can't wait until next year.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Meat factory hotel golfing wet pub house party personal responsibility selfish cluster.
Did I miss any?

Loophole.