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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #5582
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    People calling for the closure of pubs, restaurants, etc. are in favour of the economy tanking. That is a childish point of view. Childish in the sense that they haven't a clue how an economy works.

    Yes exactly, our economy is built upon sandwiches and soup alright. Don't forget the chicken wings. There are many chickenwing baron billionaires.

    Just saw on the news that indoor dining is being recommended to stop. Government likely to agree according to rte.


  • #5583
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Sounds like level 4 and it's what's needed. Gps in Dublin said earlier they thought level 4 was needed.

    My GP in Dublin thinks that this is overkill. He thinks this will cost lives not save lives. He thinks this will lead to underinvestment in the health service for the next two decades and he thinks NPHET advising the Government is madness given a big chunk of these people have mismanaged the health service for many years.

    So no, all the GPs in Dublin do not think this.


  • #5584
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,105 ✭✭✭prunudo


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    Not it's because 6 different households have been sitting around tables in pubs/restaurants for the last while. No social distancing.

    Sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just ban gatherings from more than a couple households and allow families etc to go out.
    Easy for Nphet and their cushy jobs to make sweeping decisions that will close businesses and likely bankrupt people.


  • #5585
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yes exactly, our economy is built upon sandwiches and soup alright. Don't forget the chicken wings. There are many chickenwing baron billionaires.

    Just saw on the news that indoor dining is being recommended to stop. Government likely to agree according to rte.
    Indoor dining... in Dublin. Elsewhere as normal. That's the end of many businesses in Dublin. You clearly haven't a clue what you're talking about.


  • #5586
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,426 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Sounds like level 4 and it's what's needed. Gps in Dublin said earlier they thought level 4 was needed.
    So I can travel no worries to Germany or poland but I can't go out for dinner?....that makes perfect sense?! Ffs


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  • #5587
    CiarraiManc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 204 ✭✭CiarraiManc


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    My GP in Dublin thinks that this is overkill. He thinks this will cost lives not save lives. He thinks this will lead to underinvestment in the health service for the next two decades and he thinks NPHET advising the Government is madness given a big chunk of these people have mismanaged the health service for many years.

    So no, all the GPs in Dublin do not think this.

    With all respect your gp is one man arguing against a panel of very qualified experts I know who I prefer


  • #5588
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,188 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    People calling for the closure of pubs, restaurants, etc. are in favour of the economy tanking. That is a childish point of view. Childish in the sense that they haven't a clue how an economy works.

    What do you suggest we do in that case? Our current strategy is not suppressing the virus - all of the metrics are pointing in the wrong direction: what should we do to turn that around?


  • #5589
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    As I suggested in a post this morning, I'm inclined to think perhaps that *some* of the rise in the spread may be caused by mothers socialising together after leaving children off at school. They tend to talk fairly energetically together, unmasked, over coffee. They aren't sitting at all apart, eg like I've seen people doing over lunch in a pub, where there tends to be that little more space. They are eagerly catching up with the bit of gossip about their children and their lives. It's a natural way for them to behave, but with two feet between their huddled heads, it may be giving rise to viral transfer.


  • #5590
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    prunudo wrote: »
    Sounds like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Just ban gatherings from more than a couple households and allow families etc to go out.
    Easy for Nphet and their cushy jobs to make sweeping decisions that will close businesses and likely bankrupt people.

    To be fair 6 households around a table is already 'banned'. But the 'ol 'it can't be enforced' crew are ploughing away with it every week.

    I dunno how'd you manage this.


  • #5591
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,939 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    School in Cellbridge closed down after "further cases" have been identified.

    Weasel words galore. How many? Must be a lot to close the whole school down.

    https://twitter.com/RomanShortall/status/1306683833471979521?s=20

    But sure it's all parties at home that's causing it , yes ?


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  • #5592
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Jim Root wrote: »
    I don’t know one person who’s had a house party and I live in your typical average Dublin estate

    I'm the same not heard of one house party
    Its typical government blame the people instead of the fact the track and trace system has been a disaster

    Sure course its not there fualt at all


  • #5593
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gmisk wrote: »
    Yes looks like it possible....according to RTE news.

    I was hoping to have dinner with my husband for my birthday ffs.
    Already had to cancel honeymoon this year zzz

    So level 2 in the country bar Dublin which is level 3 with a bit of level 4...

    Not easy. Get him to cook. Rest of the country will follow soon enough me thinks. Same kind of restrictions are in a lot of NI already.


  • #5594
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Arghus wrote: »
    What do you suggest we do in that case? Our current strategy is not suppressing the virus - all of the metrics are pointing in the wrong direction: what should we do to turn that around?


    Open wet pubs with extra regulations & time limits, force people out of homes and into controlled environments. Limit home gatherings and introduce heavy fines if caught.
    The clear issue right now is home gatherings, not people having a burger down the local.


  • #5595
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    So for example people in Shankill or any other border area in Dublin can't go into a restaurant if this comes to pass in their local area but they can hop onto a dart or a bus and head into Bray for example and have a meal and a few drinks.

    Absolutely no logic to this, close the controlled environment to stop house gatherings.... because that makes loads of sense


  • #5596
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    CiarraiManc wrote: »
    With all respect your gp is one man arguing against a panel of very qualified experts I know who I prefer

    You mean you know whose opinion you prefer more. Just saying.


  • #5597
    CiarraiManc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 204 ✭✭CiarraiManc


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not easy. Get him to cook. Rest of the country will follow soon enough me thinks. Same kind of restrictions are in a lot of NI already.

    Should never have been let open in the first place imo. Just looking for trouble


  • #5598
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    So for example people in Shankill or any other border are in Dublin can't go into a restaurant if this comes to pass in their local area but they can hop onto a dart or a bus and head into Bray for example and have a meal and a few drinks.

    Absolutely no logic to this

    It's people finding all these loopholes is the problem.

    Why not just help out with the pandemic?


  • #5599
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    It's people finding all these loopholes is the problem.

    Why not just help out with the pandemic?
    If there's multiple loopholes it's not a solution.


  • #5600
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some of the guidelines, along with a lack of common sense have made things worse. For example:

    I met a friend in a cafe a couple of weeks ago. Initially, she sat across from me with her back against the wall and i took a chair and sat across from her. I was then told I couldn't sit there as I'd be less than two metres from the woman dining behind me. I don't think it was less than two metres, but if it was it was just barely. Either way, my point is this, by moving to the other side of the table, I'm now facing the lady on the other table. Droplets from her cough could land on me or my food and vice versa. Both I and her were safer where I was.

    I've completely stopped going out(aside from the rise in numbers) its really not worth the hassle because the few places I went to all have slightly different interpretations of the rules and you don't know their way until you've been told. Really takes the whole "relaxing" element out of going of a night.


  • #5601
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    It's people finding all these loopholes is the problem.

    Why not just help out with the pandemic?

    But can people not see how stupid it is when there's these quite obvious loopholes.

    You close controlled environments and basically funnel people back into houses.

    Last week they wanted to keep these open and open pubs to bring people out of houses into controlled settings


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  • #5602
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    RTE reporting travel to and from Dublin to be restricted to essential workers and for educational reasons.
    That sounds like "lockdown" phase 3 again?
    That would have a big impact on the many commuters living in the surrounding counties and working in Dublin.


  • #5603
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    If there's multiple loopholes it's not a solution.

    We are all grown ups. We know what needs to be done. Heading to Bray with the lads cause Glynn is a wally is just stupid.

    Let's show them how stupid their plan is by getting the old deaths up? Boards meet in Bray??.


  • #5604
    Man Vs ManUre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,655 ✭✭✭Man Vs ManUre


    There was a good thread about a disgusting runner who thought it was ok to openly blow his nose close to the poster who was walking along minding his/her business. I was about to reply then noticed the thread got closed.
    When I go to a park I see signs about dog owners who don’t clean up after their cutesy poochy dies a poo-poo. So why is there not a law about these joggers depositing their snots and spits in our way. They should be arrested and fined and given a good scrub, both on the outside and inside.


  • #5605
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    But can people not see how stupid it is when there's these quite obvious loopholes.

    You close controlled environments and basically funnel people back into houses.
    I'm not sure why NPHET is so amazed when private houses cause cases when they literally will not let controlled environments operate.


  • #5606
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,044 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Arghus wrote: »
    What do you suggest we do in that case? Our current strategy is not suppressing the virus - all of the metrics are pointing in the wrong direction: what should we do to turn that around?
    Well we can at least ask why restaurants and cafés are being targeted if, by their own reports, it's barely a source of transmission.

    We could question why a place with some modicum of control over people meeting is being shut down - with the economic hit for the people employed.

    Do they believe now that the people meeting - who were after all already in violation of advice by meeting people from different households - will now give up or, instead, mix and mingle potentially within their homes? Which, as is being pointed out, is where the problem lies.


  • #5607
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    CiarraiManc wrote: »
    think whatever you want, if that's the best argument you can muster then your logic is paper thin

    My argument is that your posts seemed designed to provoke a reaction which suggests your a troll.

    But I want to you know that I enjoy your posts. Please dont stop.


  • #5608
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,426 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not easy. Get him to cook. Rest of the country will follow soon enough me thinks. Same kind of restrictions are in a lot of NI already.
    Ah it will be grand I just need to get out a bit more tbh in general I have been overly cautious and working from home driving me a tad mad

    Do you have a link to that about NI? My folks are in northern Ireland and I know they have been out for dinner really recently.


  • #5609
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    hetuzozaho wrote: »
    We are all grown ups. We know what needs to be done. Heading to Bray with the lads cause Glynn is a wally is just stupid.
    But there's nothing stopping anyone from doing it? No fines, no warnings, no nothing.


  • #5610
    CiarraiManc
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 204 ✭✭CiarraiManc


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You mean you know whose opinion you prefer more. Just saying.

    If a group of 12 mechanics told you that your car needed to be fixed urgently and one said it was in perfect nick who would you listen to


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  • #5611
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    HSE Operational report out

    77 Hospitalised +1
    14 Confirmed ICU -
    7 Confirmed Ventilated +1


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