'' Barstool Republicans''

Randy Archer · 17-09-2020 10:53am

FTA69 wrote: »

By the way, I’m not saying these type of people don’t exist. I was active in the Republican Movement for years when I was in Ireland and I remember all manner of people who’d scream and shout about stuff but wouldn’t give you so much as a euro when you were selling the paper or collecting for prisoners.

My only point is that these people aren’t representatives of Republicanism as an ideology as a whole and that on this site, “barstool” gets thrown around all the time (usually by people who’d have absolute conniptions if you called them a ‘West Brit’)

Why would people support an illegal organisation by buying An Phoblacht and the papers of the other splinter groups ? (And dodgy cigarettes etc )

Some of that money was going to Prisoners who attacked the State ! Shot at Gardai, tried to terrorise local businesses for protection rackets , pedalled drugs into housing estates under the guise of vigilantes etc etc

The public opposed the use of violence and they certainly oppose a self appointed group who were not only not accountable to Dáil Éireann (like the 1919-1921 movement) But also simply REFUSED to recognise the authority of our Parliament and Courts and it’s existence - took them a good 30 odd years and a few splits to cop on

Oh absolutely , even the more ardent anti IRA men genuinely got angry and Anti British during the Hunger Strikes - British Embassy in Dublin nearly burned to the ground , that can’t be all IRA armchair warriors , but then, any goodwill went out the window when the IRA continued to bomb civilians in NI and mainland Britain

Some of your pals were sent to jail for punishment beatings on stupid young lads who were dumb enough to be out joy ridding and doing drugs . Of course there were plenty of lads willing to give the “do you know who I am” in the bar toilets of the land -la Robert McCartney case - forgetting that they are suppose to be a secret organisation

Oh sure , you’d see people of all ages, normally opposed to the IRA , in pubs shouting up the Ra etc ... but they ought to be ignored and boycotted

ILoveYourVibes · 17-09-2020 10:56am

I just want peace and equal rights for all.

nthclare · 17-09-2020 10:57am

Oh As a Clare man who lived in Pana during the 90's now and again I'd sit with my Corkonian friends for a cure on a Sunday.

Celtic Vs Rangers, I'm more bog ball myself, but the athmosphere in a Cork City bar on a Sunday afternoon watching the game was very tense.

The night before I'd have been dragged to a Charlie and the Bhoys gig in some hotel outside Cork City, absolute mahem outside afterwards.

I eventually found my place and left that phase of socialism and spent most weekends bopping away to deep house music in Sir Henry's and other bar's and club's in Cork City.

A more relaxed atmosphere

Randy Archer · 17-09-2020 11:01am

FTA69 wrote: »

By the way, I’m not saying these type of people don’t exist. I was active in the Republican Movement for years when I was in Ireland and I remember all manner of people who’d scream and shout about stuff but wouldn’t give you so much as a euro when you were selling the paper or collecting for prisoners.

My only point is that these people aren’t representatives of Republicanism as an ideology as a whole and that on this site, “barstool” gets thrown around all the time (usually by people who’d have absolute conniptions if you called them a ‘West Brit’)

The difference is , those called West Brits aren’t West Brits . It used by morons who have a massive difficulty in using words that they do not understand and they have a laughable notion as to what traits make up Irish Nationalism. In their eyes, you make any critical comment about the Republican movement who have no issue with violence (not all Republicans support and justify use of violence ) and with ease dismiss the usual whatabouterys those barstoolers spew ... those people are labelled West Brits

The barstoolers on the other hand , most of them are correctly labelled as such. They wouldn’t dare utter their views in public as most of them are grossly devoid of facts . They also do nothing but talk about it. They wouldn’t and couldn’t do a single thing to promote their political beliefs . Some of them wouldn’t even be trusted to get out an vote . They’d call anyone they oppose a West Brit even if the latter has a superior grasp of the Irish language lol

FTA69 · 17-09-2020 11:05am

Randy Archer wrote: »

Why would people support an illegal organisation by buying An Phoblacht and the papers of the other splinter groups ? (And dodgy cigarettes etc )

Some of that money was going to Prisoners who attacked the State ! Shot at Gardai, tried to terrorise local businesses for protection rackets , pedalled drugs into housing estates under the guise of vigilantes etc etc

The public opposed the use of violence and they certainly oppose a self appointed group who were not only not accountable to Dáil Éireann (like the 1919-1921 movement) But also simply REFUSED to recognise the authority of our Parliament and Courts and it’s existence - took them a good 30 odd years and a few splits to cop on

Oh absolutely , even the more ardent anti IRA men genuinely got angry and Anti British during the Hunger Strikes - British Embassy in Dublin nearly burned to the ground , that can’t be all IRA armchair warriors , but then, any goodwill went out the window when the IRA continued to bomb civilians in NI and mainland Britain

Some of your pals were sent to jail for punishment beatings on stupid young lads who were dumb enough to be out joy ridding and doing drugs . Of course there were plenty of lads willing to give the “do you know who I am” in the bar toilets of the land -la Robert McCartney case - forgetting that they are suppose to be a secret organisation

I couldn’t be arsed rehashing the morality of the IRA campaign at the moment to be honest, and you’ve completely missed the point. If people are politically opposed to them etc then that’s fine and I respect that opinion.

The point being that some people professed to vocally support the Republican movement as part of their image or whatever but would in reality do absolutely nothing, even something trivial, to support it in practical terms i.e they were bullsh*tters.

grayzer75 · 17-09-2020 11:09am

Randy Archer wrote: »

The difference is , those called West Brits aren’t West Brits . It used by morons who have a massive difficulty in using words that they do not understand and they have a laughable notion as to what traits make up Irish Nationalism. In their eyes, you make any critical comment about the Republican movement who have no issue with violence (not all Republicans support and justify use of violence ) and with ease dismiss the usual whatabouterys those barstoolers spew ... those people are labelled West Brits

The barstoolers on the other hand , most of them are correctly labelled as such. They wouldn’t dare utter their views in public as most of them are grossly devoid of facts . They also do nothing but talk about it. They wouldn’t and couldn’t do a single thing to promote their political beliefs . Some of them wouldn’t even be trusted to get out an vote . They’d call anyone they oppose a West Brit even if the latter has a superior grasp of the Irish language lol

Charlie Flanagan is 100% a Tan loving West Brit.

FTA69 · 17-09-2020 11:14am

Randy Archer wrote: »

The difference is , those called West Brits aren’t West Brits . It used by morons who have a massive difficulty in using words that they do not understand and they have a laughable notion as to what traits make up Irish Nationalism.

It’s not a term I usually use myself but there is a section of the population here that engage in vociferous condemnation of the very idea of Irish Republicanism but will then stridently defend organisations such as the Royal Ulster/Irish Constabularies or the ‘security forces’ in general. The type of people who scoffed at the idea that the British state engaged in collusion with Loyalists, dismissing it as a slur and a conspiracy. The same lot will demand we have every commemoration under the sun for people who gallantly joined the British Army while pushing a revisionist angle portraying Republicans as blood thirsty sectarian yokels.

In a similar vein many people go out of their way to have an active and hostile dislike of things like the Irish language or Gaelic games (a scenario known as cultural cringe). Some go so far to say we should be rejoining the Commonwealth and all that b*llocks.

These people always existed in Ireland; lickspittles and establishment or wannabe establishment types only now they’re repackaging their boring unimaginative nonsense as ‘maturity’ and all that craic.

As I said I don’t usually use the term myself, but it describes a very real phenomenon.

17-09-2020 11:18am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I just want peace and equal rights for all.

BOOOOOOOOORING

nthclare · 17-09-2020 11:26am

FTA69 wrote: »

It’s not a term I usually use myself but there is a section of the population here that engage in vociferous condemnation of the very idea of Irish Republicanism but will then stridently defend organisations such as the Royal Ulster/Irish Constabularies or the ‘security forces’ in general. The type of people who scoffed at the idea that the British state engaged in collusion with Loyalists, dismissing it as a slur and a conspiracy. The same lot will demand we have every commemoration under the sun for people who gallantly joined the British Army while pushing a revisionist angle portraying Republicans as blood thirsty sectarian yokels.

In a similar vein many people go out of their way to have an active and hostile dislike of things like the Irish language or Gaelic games (a scenario known as cultural cringe). Some go so far to say we should be rejoining the Commonwealth and all that b*llocks.

These people always existed in Ireland; lickspittles and establishment or wannabe establishment types only now they’re repackaging their boring unimaginative nonsense as ‘maturity’ and all that craic.

As I said I don’t usually use the term myself, but it describes a very real phenomenon.

I love our heritage and culture, absolutely embrace it.

I don't understand these so called achiever's and people who have a problem with the Irish language and culture and heritage, nor do I want to understand them.

I'll accept they're entitled to their opinion, but that's about it.
I'm not one for killing the goose which laid the golden egg.

But I'll quite happily live in my own bubble of legends, folklore, mythology, culture and fantasy..

Because when our heritage,history and uniqueness is mowed over ...at least I can lie on my death bed and say I lived it and didn't forget who I am and not what the liberals and conservatives want me to think and be...

Fck reality, give me a unicorn and the pot at the end of the rainbow anyday

piplip87 · 17-09-2020 11:28am

The term West Brit is in the SF handbook. When you are losing an arguement just call the person a West Brit. When pointed out to you that you have a Manchester United top on in your profile picture.... Leave the conversation.

I have been called a West Brit many times. Mostly around the election results and the whole "but we won the election nonsense ". Funnily enough understanding the electoral system we use here, as opposed to FPTP as many SF supporters thought we used here makes me a West Brit .

Also pointing out that you cannot take to the internet in outrage against murders carried out by the British Army on monday but on Tuesday be posting about how a killing of a child in an IRA bomb was justified because of british army killing people.....

Then we have the Cult of Marylou, the fact SF seem to always want to do the opposite of they are doing in the North but claim to be an all Ireland Party.

As for the OP. You cannot expect them to know geography when they don't know that 24% is not a majority, they also don't know how to electoral system works and basically many of them don't even recognise the state...m

JohnnyFlash · 17-09-2020 12:18pm

Why are so many barstool RA heads stumpy fat men with shaved heads?

This is a picture taken after the funeral of Bobby Storey. They all look the sort of lads you’d see on the door of a rural nightclub. It’s the same when you the SF ard fheis on the TV. Lots of tough looking fat lads in their 50’s gurning away.

FTA69 · 17-09-2020 12:25pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are so many barstool RA heads stumpy fat men with shaved heads?

This is a picture taken after the funeral of Bobby Storey. They all look the sort of lads you’d see on the door of a rural nightclub. It’s the same when you the SF ard fheis on the TV. Lots of tough looking fat lads in their 50’s gurning away.

Funnily enough when I picture what you look like I think of the exact same.

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The Raging Bile Duct · 17-09-2020 12:29pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are so many barstool RA heads stumpy fat men with shaved heads?

This is a picture taken after the funeral of Bobby Storey. They all look the sort of lads you’d see on the door of a rural nightclub. It’s the same when you the SF ard fheis on the TV. Lots of tough looking fat lads in their 50’s gurning away.

FATDAD is the mnemonic I use to remember the six counties of Northern Ireland which ironically is what all those lads are.

JohnnyFlash · 17-09-2020 12:34pm

FTA69 wrote: »

Funnily enough when I picture what you look like I think of the exact same.

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Nah, I've more hair than the shower of them put together. And I'd never go for the auld shinner cheap leather jacket, white shirt, and clip-on black tie if I was going to a funeral. It's a bit knackerish to be honest.

EmmetSpiceland · 17-09-2020 1:04pm

“Barstool” is a bit of a stretch. Most of this lot are sitting behind computer screens, in dilapidated bedsits, drinking cheap lager, eating Lidl crisps and looking like this:

Colonel Claptrap · 17-09-2020 1:32pm

I stood next to the Dessie Ellis gang of supporters in the RDS count centre during the last election.

Dodgy as fucck is the only way to describe them. I felt uneasy. They stomped around the place in groups jeering other candidates and generally acting the maggot.

dxhound2005 · 17-09-2020 1:34pm

FATDAD is the mnemonic I use to remember the six counties of Northern Ireland which ironically is what all those lads are.

Don't forget FATLAD.

JohnnyFlash · 17-09-2020 1:36pm

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

I stood next to the Dessie Ellis gang of supporters in the RDS count centre during the last election.

Dodgy as fucck is the only way to describe them. I felt uneasy. They stomped around the place in groups jeering other candidates and generally acting the maggot.

Ellis is a mass murderer himself so you wouldn’t expect him to keep great company to be honest.

The Raging Bile Duct · 17-09-2020 1:37pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Don't forget FATLAD.

I don't own a Lambeg drum…

mcgragger · 17-09-2020 1:38pm

FAT DAD

Randy Archer · 17-09-2020 1:47pm

FTA69 wrote: »

I couldn’t be arsed rehashing the morality of the IRA campaign at the moment to be honest, and you’ve completely missed the point. If people are politically opposed to them etc then that’s fine and I respect that opinion.

The point being that some people professed to vocally support the Republican movement as part of their image or whatever but would in reality do absolutely nothing, even something trivial, to support it in practical terms i.e they were bullsh*tters.

Nope, didn’t miss the point .

Your pals scream West Brits based on utter nonsense , whereas those who are branded bar stool republicans (not all Republicans here on this site are barstoolers, but most are) are exactly that . Peel their lauers and they barely even know their facts too . They don’t even know what the terms mean

I fully agree And got with your point about those republicans who do nothing , hence , they are barstoolers . Not to be taken seriously . It’s those who scream West Brit at anyone but they haven’t a scooby doo what the term means

As for the comment about people not buying or helping out with prisoner funds, I simply offered a reason as to why people don’t do it . Not everyone claims to be a Republican SF/IRA style . Oh sure sure couldn’t try to justify the morality of most IRA campaigns , you wouldn’t have a leg to stand on . Not a case of being arsed, but a case of you couldn’t , least not successfully . But, you didn’t go there to be fair

As for the self proclaimed Ra bhoys who wouldn’t even offer their services to collect funds or buy a paper , well, maybe they are mean as ****e when it comes to spending ? Lol . Maybe that plague extends outside Cavan and cough, Galway ?

FTA69 · 17-09-2020 1:51pm

Randy Archer wrote: »

Nope, didn’t miss the point .

Your pals scream West Brits based on utter nonsense , whereas those who are branded bar stool republicans (not all Republicans here on this site are barstoolers, but most are) are exactly that . Peel their lauers and they barely even know their facts too . They don’t even know what the terms mean

I fully agree And got with your point about those republicans who do nothing , hence , they are barstoolers . Not to be taken seriously . It’s those who scream West Brit at anyone but they haven’t a scooby doo what the term means

Mate there’s ignorant people of all political persuasions on this site who haven’t a clue what they’re on about. That’s par for the course I’m afraid, welcome to boards.

And I can assure you, it’s definitely a case of not being arsed as I’ve had that debate a million times on this site and don’t see a huge amount of value in rehashing it again to someone up in arms about the prospect of some post-colonial nostalgic being called an immature name to be brutally honest about it.

Randy Archer · 17-09-2020 1:53pm

grayzer75 wrote: »

Charlie Flanagan is 100% a Tan loving West Brit.

Probably , ya . But sure , he’s from the Free State party so....

That or a misguided (that’s an understatement) notion of trying to reach out to the Unionists and Kevin Myers of this world ? Anyway, the general public were having none of that

Randy Archer · 17-09-2020 2:01pm

FTA69 wrote: »

It’s not a term I usually use myself but there is a section of the population here that engage in vociferous condemnation of the very idea of Irish Republicanism but will then stridently defend organisations such as the Royal Ulster/Irish Constabularies or the ‘security forces’ in general. The type of people who scoffed at the idea that the British state engaged in collusion with Loyalists, dismissing it as a slur and a conspiracy. The same lot will demand we have every commemoration under the sun for people who gallantly joined the British Army while pushing a revisionist angle portraying Republicans as blood thirsty sectarian yokels.

In a similar vein many people go out of their way to have an active and hostile dislike of things like the Irish language or Gaelic games (a scenario known as cultural cringe). Some go so far to say we should be rejoining the Commonwealth and all that b*llocks.

These people always existed in Ireland; lickspittles and establishment or wannabe establishment types only now they’re repackaging their boring unimaginative nonsense as ‘maturity’ and all that craic.

As I said I don’t usually use the term myself, but it describes a very real phenomenon.

That term gets bandied about a lot on this site by the resident barstool Republicans (who as you right note, wouldn’t lift a finger to help) . So let’s stick to what goes on here on this site and all of those terms are prevalent here . The likes of Dudley Edwards and Kevin Myers are low hanging fruit

I’d struggle to name anyone who uses this site and who hasn’t already proclaimed their Unionist allegiance /or its blatant (just laugh at them) who deny British collusion , are sniffy about the Irish language and culture (wearing Celtic FC tops don’t count) , defend RIC /RUC etc etc

Want to name these people on boards.ie?

Again, plenty of threads on topics like joining the commonwealth etc have been done to death here, Poppy fascism too and the majority said nope. But during the discussions , those nay sayers still got labelled west Brits on issues that they discussed that went against the views of the resident barstoolers on this site

Randy Archer · 17-09-2020 2:05pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Why are so many barstool RA heads stumpy fat men with shaved heads?

This is a picture taken after the funeral of Bobby Storey. They all look the sort of lads you’d see on the door of a rural nightclub. It’s the same when you the SF ard fheis on the TV. Lots of tough looking fat lads in their 50’s gurning away.

Compensating for staying under the bed when the Trouble was on ? There was a lot of that going on in many Counties during the Irish Civil War too

17-09-2020 6:22pm

Randy Archer wrote: »

As for the comment about people not buying or helping out with prisoner funds, I simply offered a reason as to why people don’t do it

I think he is referring to folks,who purport to support republicanism...but shy away when push come to serve....not the general population

Its usually the quiestest most unassuming people,who end up with the fiercest republican streak,very few active rural republicans wake up on sundays with hangovers......

ould lads living on isolated farms,their involvement virtually unknown even in their own areas are what backboned the provos down south and played a huge almost unacknowledged part in the troubles......its a reason why likes of martin ferris are held in huge esteem,he's one of their own

padd b1975 · 17-09-2020 7:07pm

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

F**k the nordies. Bastards.

Definitely the cagiest and untrusting people you'll ever meet.

Catholic or Protestant.

dxhound2005 · 17-09-2020 7:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

ould lads living on isolated farms,their involvement virtually unknown even in their own areas are what backboned the provos down south and played a huge almost unacknowledged part in the troubles......its a reason why likes of martin ferris are held in huge esteem,he's one of their own

If you know about them, you can be sure the Gardai know about them.

McGinniesta · 17-09-2020 7:23pm

bobbyy gee wrote: »

9 counties
https://www.tripsavvy.com/counties-in-the-province-of-ulster-1541841

9 counties in Ulster.

He asked the 6 counties of northern Ireland.

There is a difference.

McGinniesta · 17-09-2020 7:24pm

Normal One wrote: »

Proper Republicans wouldn't recognise "Northern Ireland" :rolleyes:

That would make them bigger idiots.

'' Barstool Republicans''

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