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FrancieBrady · 17-09-2020 02:53PM

atticu wrote: »

My understanding is that they were not forced to come to Ireland.
They chose to come to Ireland.
Are you one of these workers?
If not, then you don’t know their situations, are are not in a position to comment.
No one abandoned these people, that might be what you think, but it is not true, even though you are trying to portray it as a fact.

Yes I do know their situations, we have a population of almost 100 here, mostly Brazilian and Eastern European.. At least half of them are here because of poverty at home. They have borrowed to be here and are supporting families at home. The rest are here because of the employment prospects at home not by choice.

Colonel Claptrap · 17-09-2020 02:55PM

Angry man is in the Dail complaining about the latest boogeyman - Meat Barons - who supposedly have a hold over FG and FF.

In response Varadkar stressed that "the government supports any decision to close a business, meat plant, school or anything else if that is the right thing to do in public health terms."

That puts that to rest then. Posters over the last couple of pages have aligned their view with that of the Tanaiste. I'm sure they are pleased.

atticu · 17-09-2020 02:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The ulsaline....lad in work daughter geos there....traced to manager

So, you don’t know if it is more than one school, or where the infection came from.

Fair enough.

dundalkfc10 · 17-09-2020 02:56PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1306589071834140675

Dublin going to Level 3+

The simple 1 2 3 4 5 plan which will be updated every 2 weeks.

Started Weds 16th with Dublin not at 2 but not just 3 but not 2.5
Fri 17th Dublin are 3 but not really 3 a bit higher but not 4

atticu · 17-09-2020 03:00PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes I do know their situations, we have a population of almost 100 here, mostly Brazilian and Eastern European.. At least half of them are here because of poverty at home. They have borrowed to be here and are supporting families at home. The rest are here because of the employment prospects at home not by choice.

So, someone did force them to come to Ireland.
Have you informed the Garda?

Hawthorn Tree · 17-09-2020 03:00PM

The Beef Tribunal concluded that tax evasion occurred at Goodman International and shone a light on widespread improper relationships between the beef industry, particularly Goodman, and the government. However, no criminal charges were brought, aside from the journalist Susan O'Keefe who was charged and acquitted for not revealing sources.

Though not directly charged with wrongdoing, Albert Reynolds's government was ultimately brought down by the fallout of the Beef Tribunal.

Ten years later, Fintan O'Toole commented that while a "shocking set of scandals" were uncovered (including the aforementioned tax evasion, fraud, and theft), "virtually nothing happened", eroding public trust in the system.

atticu · 17-09-2020 03:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I do know....its daughter of manager out of granny tested positive,hardly need mensa material to know its close contact...

.its confirmed also in the DLS school aswell.....this is widely reported??

If it is widely reported, can you please link to some of these reports.

FrancieBrady · 17-09-2020 03:25PM

atticu wrote: »

So, someone did force them to come to Ireland.
Have you informed the Garda?

How do you arrest 'circumstances'.

Look...carry on being an apologist. People who cannot emphatise, and who pretend, because it suits their defensive stance, that these people are in the same situation as ordinary workers are devoid of humanity. Carry on.

Hawthorn Tree · 17-09-2020 03:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No...i dont do links

But its on the waterford news and star website

https://waterford-news.ie/

Seems like Waterford has a growing Covid problem (Meat plans, schools, cafes etc)

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/16/another-confirmed-covid-19-case-at-city-secondary-school/#.X2OBU3lKhPY

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/15/another-waterford-school-confirms-positive-covid-case/#.X2OBY3lKhPY

https://www.wlrfm.com/2020/09/14/waterpark-college-confirms/

Brendan Bendar · 17-09-2020 03:32PM

Mother Theresa is only trotting after you Francie.

Champion of the downtrodden, the derelicts, the hard done by, the tossers and the gamers.

FrancieBrady · 17-09-2020 03:35PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Mother Theresa is only trotting after you Francie.

Champion of the downtrodden, the derelicts, the hard done by, the tossers and the gamers.

Not surprised you fell for Mother Theresa's hollow act.

I watch how these people are existing Brendan. You or I wouldn't do it, because we don't have to.

Redgirl82 · 17-09-2020 04:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yes I do know their situations, we have a population of almost 100 here, mostly Brazilian and Eastern European.. At least half of them are here because of poverty at home. They have borrowed to be here and are supporting families at home. The rest are here because of the employment prospects at home not by choice.

Was this not the same rubbish when people hadn't a clue about the workers for Keelings?

atticu · 17-09-2020 04:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How do you arrest 'circumstances'.

Look...carry on being an apologist. People who cannot emphatise, and who pretend, because it suits their defensive stance, that these people are in the same situation as ordinary workers are devoid of humanity. Carry on.

So now you are saying that they here by choice.

Please make up your mind.

If they are here by choice, they are not exempt from personal responsibility.

And, in turn, their personal responsibility (or lack of) is not the government fault.

One thing that you have done is show that you have no idea of these peoples situation.

I don’t have a defensive stance, you do.

atticu · 17-09-2020 04:22PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

https://waterford-news.ie/

Seems like Waterford has a growing Covid problem (Meat plans, schools, cafes etc)

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/16/another-confirmed-covid-19-case-at-city-secondary-school/#.X2OBU3lKhPY

https://waterford-news.ie/2020/09/15/another-waterford-school-confirms-positive-covid-case/#.X2OBY3lKhPY

https://www.wlrfm.com/2020/09/14/waterpark-college-confirms/

Thank you for those links.

If you could post the links showing that these pupils contracted the virus from a meat factory worker, I would appreciate that.

FrancieBrady · 17-09-2020 04:26PM

Anybody hear Jack Chambers get slaughtered there on Drivetime?

Cringe stuff again from a government member. Would not answer the question which was repeated multiple times.

Floppybits · 17-09-2020 04:26PM

atticu wrote: »

Thank you for those links.

If you could post the links showing that these pupils contracted the virus from a meat factory worker, I would appreciate that.

Would you also like their personal medical records as well?

smurgen · 17-09-2020 04:34PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Would you also like their personal medical records as well?

Funny how the burden of proof seems to be so light on these very posters when they're making accusations against SF.

Floppybits · 17-09-2020 04:35PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anybody hear Jack Chambers get slaughtered there on Drivetime?

Cringe stuff again from a government member. Would not answer the question which was repeated multiple times.

Standard response from members of any government and the reason why people get p**sed off with them. They could do with a bit of straight talking whether it's good or bad.

Politicians in this country are cowards, afraid of saying the wrong thing. Where as a bit more honesty would go along way towards restoring the trust of the public.

Hawthorn Tree · 17-09-2020 04:46PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Anybody hear Jack Chambers get slaughtered there on Drivetime?

Cringe stuff again from a government member. Would not answer the question which was repeated multiple times.

Let me guess - questions on Covid plan?

Unlikable man, pity I missed it.

James Brown · 17-09-2020 04:55PM

atticu wrote: »

Who forced these people onto that bus?

A meat plant has cases of Covid. It's continuing to operate and no public representative or state body is doing anything. Do you think it's acceptable?

Floppybits · 17-09-2020 04:56PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Let me guess - questions on Covid plan?

Unlikable man, pity I missed it.

I am shocked that they let Jack Chambers out to do an interview.

17-09-2020 04:59PM

Bowie wrote: »

A meat plant has cases of Covid. It's continuing to operate and no public representative or state body is doing anything. Do you think it's acceptable?

What about the pharmaceutical factory? Should that be closed too?

Redgirl82 · 17-09-2020 05:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes.....why should it not??

...if they cant social distance and to reduce large scale clusters....

I would have taught it would be basic practice to do so.....whats point of everyone distancing,limiting interactions....if we have people standing side by side for 10 to 12 hours on factory lines or sharing offices?

Not a stem of sense to it,otherwise

Not a stem of sense from you. Mindless rambling from what I can see

James Brown · 17-09-2020 05:26PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What about the pharmaceutical factory? Should that be closed too?

No comment? Why bother quoting?

Brendan Bendar · 17-09-2020 05:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not surprised you fell for Mother Theresa's hollow act.

I watch how these people are existing Brendan. You or I wouldn't do it, because we don't have to.

And your solution to fix this situation Francis, might be what?

17-09-2020 05:52PM

Bowie wrote: »

No comment? Why bother quoting?

So, Covid positives in pharmaceutical factories are of less importance than those in meat factories?

James Brown · 17-09-2020 06:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So, Covid positives in pharmaceutical factories are of less importance than those in meat factories?

A meat plant has cases of Covid. It's continuing to operate and no public representative or state body is doing anything. Do you think that's acceptable?

Brendan Bendar · 17-09-2020 06:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Follow NZ example.and aim for zero cases.....we were so fcuking close only for them to fcuk.away all our hard work and progress and open up to.early.

Its obvious,this living with covid plan is a joke and they arent able to implement it.

Only for ‘them’ to fcuk it away !!!

I have very good anecdotal evidence that the compliance of social distancing, mask wearing was abysmal throughout the country.

Pubs paying no heed to regulations, doing anything they could to game the system and fuhherke the begrudgers!!!

About time people took some responsibility for their own actions and stopped trying to blame someone else.

That load of bollox doesn’t stand up, a chara.

Tha auld ‘Aaah shure it’ll be fine , don’t mind the grub,what are ye havin’ lads’ kind of attitude needs to be called out.

We didn’t comply, dude, that’s the be all and end all.

smurgen · 17-09-2020 06:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So, Covid positives in pharmaceutical factories are of less importance than those in meat factories?

Less risk to the county. The meat factories are a systemic risk to the country now. They should be shut until safe work practices are enforced.

Brendan Bendar · 17-09-2020 06:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why leave ot so long and wait for things to blow up before acting so??

They actively encouraged staycations and dubs to flock.all over the country,while covid was rampant there.....waterford went several weeks without a case and now its been fcuked away and brought here....we are suffering for ffg incompetence

They have made an absolute balls of things and now want to blame anyone else,rather than.accept responsibility for running the country......

Varadkar come out and washed his hands today of that debacle in granny saying we didnt tell em to stay open...its ordering em to close,they should be

Last I heard that there was fuuuherke all compliance in pubs around the country, once they got the punters in it was a free for all.

So please, a chara, that kind of argument won’t wash.

Sorry an all that.

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