Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

17-09-2020 02:28PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/your-questions-answered/

I was a primary school teacher and when I taught a class of 30 junior infants, even with the most on the ball classroom management (which often involved call and respond songs, not possible now) it would have been an impossibility to ensure that every single child was not picking their nose or interacting with a child outside of their group at every single moment. Be reasonable, the task is an impossibility.

Unless they let them use a cane or whatever the other poster suggested, but I'm pretty sure the cure is worse than the disease when you recommend physically assaulting children to get them to comply.

Don't think there is any restriction on singing in the Junior classes. As you say, the benefit in being able to manage kids through engaging them in song, preventing chaos driving spread, far outweighs the risk associated with singing in such young kids

Spleodar · 17-09-2020 02:29PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Cool, Germany and the lebensraum. :eek:

Keep an eye on: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_16092020_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile before you travel.

It's updated pretty much daily or as things change with number of sub-national EU/EEA/CH etc regions restricted.

Arghus · 17-09-2020 02:31PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

I don't think NPHET dropped the ball, I think it's more a case that the Government may not have acted on their advice fast enough.

Quite possible, but I think there's also a possibility that all of the stakeholders, NPHET included, may be slow to see things. I certainly didn't get the sense that they were unduly concerned about Dublin up to recently - within the last fortnight - Glynn's public appearances and statements at pressers didn't indicate that anyway. Who knows what went on behind the scenes.

Ohmeha · 17-09-2020 02:31PM

I've just had to get off a DART carriage this afternoon because of some arsehole in his early 30s with no mask on who had a constant dry cough and was happily making zero attempt to cover himself all while the government are scratching their heads as to why is covid is rampant around Dublin

drunkmonkey · 17-09-2020 02:31PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Link?

You need a link to prove incorrect mask use is better than no mask, jesus. Anyway take your pick https://bfy.tw/P5cC

Curious_Case · 17-09-2020 02:31PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Point of order - 4 instances of 2 cases within the one classroom is not proof of spread within the classroom. The odds of 2 random cases occurring in the same class in the same week is actually very high - assuming only 200 cases in school children in a given week, it comes out at 99.9%. The odds of 3 random cases in the one class is about 39%, and 4 cases about 2.5%

Not that I don't believe at least some of these are linked

If there is a 99.9% chance of an event happening,

doesn't that also mean that there is only a 1 in 1,000 chance of it not happening ?

17-09-2020 02:32PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8741417/Professor-Chris-Whitty-wants-new-two-week-national-lockdown-ex-expert-claims.html

UK lockdown looks imminent.

Ficheall · 17-09-2020 02:32PM

So is the plan to bring Dublin more in line with the rest of the country by keeping Dublin pubs closed so they go and spread the disease in neighbouring counties instead, thereby bringing the rest of the country up to Dublin's level?

growleaves · 17-09-2020 02:36PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

People always throw out the 'think of the economy' line which is understandable. They fail to take into account the fact that unimaginable damage will be done to the economy if the virus spreads uncontrollable and results in the health system being overwhelmed.

Do people really think people will go out and socialise and live normal lives if we reach a situation whereby we have 100+ dying a day due to Covid-19? Because that is where we were heading pre-lockdown.

There were only three days in which Sweden had over 100+ deaths a day: April 8th, April 15th and April 16th.

That was with twice the population of Ireland, no lockdown, no masks, and the disease running rampant through nursing homes at the peak of the pandemic.

Correction: April 11th also. Four days.

17-09-2020 02:36PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Cool, Germany and the lebensraum. :eek:

Oktoberfest here we all come!!!!

Hector Savage · 17-09-2020 02:36PM

Great video ....

This is making me +'ve again today!!!

I needed it like a crack head needed a hit!!

Spleodar · 17-09-2020 02:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8741417/Professor-Chris-Whitty-wants-new-two-week-national-lockdown-ex-expert-claims.html

It's all fine and well, but we do have a balance to strike between public health and being able to pay for public health and food. The economy isn't just dismissible as a non-issue and the initial lockdown was a reaction to what was going on in Italy and Spain and China before it and in a vacuum of information and a huge perceived risk.

I would wonder though if we could do something like:

Full steam ahead for 6 weeks - everything open.
Take it easy for 2 weeks, where all but essential services go into a pause to kill transmission.

If it spreads exponentially and the incubation time is about 2 weeks, it would give a recurring firebreak.

At least with a pattern like that it would something we could adapt the economy and business to, rather than repeatedly shocking it at random.

I'm to suggesting this though in the current situation, but if there's a significant second wave that causes major disruption, perhaps something like this might worth considering?

It would be extremely annoying, but at least you could plan around it and people wouldn't feel there was just random chaos and no end to this.

Then if you've vaccines arriving next year sometime and also probably some better treatments becoming more mainstream, then you'd be able to just go back to normality.

What Username Guidelines · 17-09-2020 02:37PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

They do. The current Irish government.
The following quote is from the current guidance on children and schools.

Evidence from the first wave of COVID-19 appears to indicate that children are not as susceptible to COVID-19 infection as adults. Furthermore, a recent review of available international evidence by HIQA indicates that children do not seem to play a major role in disease transmission.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/resilience-and-recovery-plan-for-living-with-covid-19-your-questions-answered/

Still no one saying "it doesn't spread in schools". Because no one has said it.

MerlinSouthDub · 17-09-2020 02:40PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I can't see government going with this. Far reaching economic hit that goes well beyond Dublin. Targeting business sectors that aren't the cause, seems like an overreach that would be diluted before it got to cabinet.

Anyone that thinks a Dublin shutdown doesn't affect them would want to think again, it accounts for a large portion of the countries economy.

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1306556330422005760?s=19

Crazy that they would even consider it. NPHET surely need to take some account of the economic impact.

17-09-2020 02:40PM

Spleodar wrote: »

It's all fine and well, but we do have a balance to strike between public health and being able to pay for public health and food. The economy isn't just dismissible as a non-issue and the initial lockdown was a reaction to what was going on in Italy and Spain and China before it and in a vacuum of information and a huge perceived risk.

I would wonder though if we could do something like:

Full steam ahead for 6 weeks - everything open.
Take it easy for 2 weeks, where all but essential services go into a pause to kill transmission.

If it spreads exponentially and the incubation time is about 2 weeks, it would give a recurring firebreak.

At least with a pattern like that it would something we could adapt the economy and business to, rather than repeatedly shocking it at random.

Haven't a clue tbh.

Restrictions on the rise in europe.

Can see our whole country in lockdown in a few weeks.

Spleodar · 17-09-2020 02:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Haven't a clue tbh.

Restrictions In the r use in europe.

Can see our whole country in lockdown in a few weeks.

The issue I see is that the economy can cope with planned outages and work around things. What it can't cope with is uncertainty and repeated shocks.

Also, from an individual point of view, there's a serious mental health issue with no certainty.

I would just wonder if something like on/off working might actually work.

E.g. how about school being on for 6 weeks and off for 2 weeks and maybe just cut the summer holidays short for one year to make up for it. They only have to be in class 180 days as far as I know.

ixoy · 17-09-2020 02:43PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Crazy that they would even consider it. NPHET surely need to take some account of the economic impact.

That's why they've established a committee to filter through NPHET's recommendations because NPHET don't really take in the economic impact (which ultimately finances everything, including NPHET).

hetuzozaho · 17-09-2020 02:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

New green list:
Cyprus
Finland
Germany
Iceland
Latvia
Lithuania
Poland

Slim pickings

Spleodar · 17-09-2020 02:44PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Slim pickings

It's a bit better than that first green list which was like Greenland and Monaco ...

Plenty of places you could go in Germany and Iceland's fun and opening up Poland's of huge benefit to a lot of Irish residents who are Polish or are are married to Polish people etc.

yourdeadwright · 17-09-2020 02:46PM

Will leaving the county be a law or left up to your own digression as to what is essential or appropriate ?

17-09-2020 02:48PM

rusty cole wrote: »

really?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/over-40-berlin-schools-report-covid-19-cases-a-fortnight-after-reopening-1.4336773

that is not at all related to what I said

is_that_so · 17-09-2020 02:48PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Crazy that they would even consider it. NPHET surely need to take some account of the economic impact.

They consider lots of things all the time. It doesn't mean they'll agree to it. It would be filtered through the new set-up and at best might be triggered quickly if Dublin cases continue to grow at such high levels for a week or more. Level 3 for this week anyway I reckon.

stephenjmcd · 17-09-2020 02:50PM

Level 3* it is so. Add that to the list of levels
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1306589071834140675?s=19

17-09-2020 02:50PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You need a link to prove incorrect mask use is better than no mask, jesus. Anyway take your pick https://bfy.tw/P5cC

That's not what you said, you siad that incorrect use of a mask was worse than no mask.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's what's happened people have disregarded one for the other. The original two asks are the most important and easy to do correctly, keep your distance, clean your hands. It's a simple message that worked from my observations.
Managing a mask isn't easy it take a lot of discipline to use a mask correctly, it's just not happening, using one any way incorrect is worse than none. That's not my opinion that's a fact.

TonyMaloney · 17-09-2020 02:50PM

149 new cases in NI, no deaths

rob316 · 17-09-2020 02:53PM

Personally I just think we are realizing this virus can't be stopped without a vaccine. The vast majority I see are adhering to the guidelines and those that aren't are not significant enough in numbers.

Cases are out of control in France and Spain there isn't any talk of lockdown.
Sweden is the most stable in Europe.

We can't keep locking down and opening back up. We can't lockdown until we find a vaccine either.

mr zulu · 17-09-2020 02:53PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8741417/Professor-Chris-Whitty-wants-new-two-week-national-lockdown-ex-expert-claims.html

UK lockdown looks imminent.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-government-dismisses-claims-of-fresh-two-week-national-lockdown-12073792
More fake news

17-09-2020 02:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

that is not at all related to what I said

I know, sorry, I deleted it, my bad.

17-09-2020 02:55PM

mr zulu wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-government-dismisses-claims-of-fresh-two-week-national-lockdown-12073792
More fake news

Of course they distanced themselves from it... I will remind you of this article in a few weeks.

stephenjmcd · 17-09-2020 02:56PM

Germany and Poland then you can go to without restrictions at the other side.
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1306591834466992130?s=19

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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