Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Tenzor07 · 17-09-2020 11:57AM

The Nal wrote: »

It is that straightforward by the way. Cirellos are crying out for business, as is the pub. Customers want to go to the pub to drink, people like pints, people like pizza, Cirellos will deliver......

Well at €13 for a standard Pizza I'm not surprised they are crying out for customers! I went to the best Pizza restaurant in Naples last year and had an amazing pizza for €5!

17-09-2020 11:58AM

The Nal wrote: »

I think we're beyond taking something thats proposed 3 or 4 weeks into the future as gospel.

It is that straightforward by the way. Cirellos are crying out for business, as is the pub. Customers want to go to the pub to drink, people like pints, people like pizza, Cirellos will deliver.....

Toners are doing it.

I highly doubt Cirillos can make enough pizzas for both Toners and O'Donoghues. Kind of amazed they're pulling it off for Toners already

Anyways, surely this shows how ridiculous it is. They can open if they put a pizza on your table..

The Master · 17-09-2020 12:03PM

The Nal wrote: »

O'Donaghues on social media giving out. Why don't they start bringing pizzas in? They kind of suggest it like its madness when they really should've done this back in June.

The strange part is O'Donaghues already does food

I used to go most Sunday mornings to the music session out in the courtyard
And they serve Stew,Soup and toasted sambos for €10

The Napper Tandy pub next door is attached to O'Donaghues and does a full menu

Bizarre that they're moaning about having to bring Pizzas in so they can open

hetuzozaho · 17-09-2020 12:10PM

The Master wrote: »

The strange part is O'Donaghues already does food

I used to go most Sunday mornings to the music session out in the courtyard
And they serve Stew,Soup and toasted sambos for €10

The Napper Tandy pub next door is attached to O'Donaghues and does a full menu

Bizarre that they're moaning about having to bring Pizzas in so they can open

Yes I know other pubs that used to serve food also not open. Their lively hood at stake and the answer to the problem in their tweet. I don't get it. Must be more to it. Think they just need money from government.

I see some tweets around "opening up not enough" and #budget21

0gac3yjefb5sv7 · 17-09-2020 12:35PM

What additional restrictions will Dublin pubs have in level 3?

The Nal · 17-09-2020 01:18PM

AdamD wrote: »

I highly doubt Cirillos can make enough pizzas for both Toners and O'Donoghues. Kind of amazed they're pulling it off for Toners already

Course they can. Pizza in those ovens take 90 seconds to cook and they can do 3 or 4 at a time. Dominos stores manage to make and deliver hundreds every night.

AdamD wrote: »

Anyways, surely this shows how ridiculous it is. They can open if they put a pizza on your table..

Or soup and a sambo!

MrMusician18 · 17-09-2020 01:26PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

So where you at the gates to Leinster House protesting against the Oireachtas Golf society outing where 81 people partied like it was 1999...Literally!

Or are you an angry Keyboard warrior who likes to come on and lambaste female posters here who likes to have a bit of wine and cheese with a few close friends? Big man eh?

Oh I didn't know women were meant to get a free pass, thanks for letting me know Mr. White Knight.

I'll call out any poster, male or female that thinks that are above adherence to the regulations. If someone was posting that they were having 6/7 friends over weekly for beer, crisps and to watch football and then tried to explain it away, I'd express similar ire.

weldoninhio · 17-09-2020 01:33PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Oh I didn't know women were meant to get a free pass, thanks for letting me know Mr. White Knight.

I'll call out any poster, male or female that thinks that are above adherence to the regulations. If someone was posting that they were having 6/7 friends over weekly for beer, crisps and to watch football and then tried to explain it away, I'd express similar ire.

Holy Sh!t!!! An internet "call out" from Mr Musician. Better watch my step and adhere blindly to the contradictory govt guidelines. :rolleyes:

2ndcoming · 17-09-2020 01:41PM

The Nal wrote: »

Course they can. Pizza in those ovens take 90 seconds to cook and they can do 3 or 4 at a time. Dominos stores manage to make and deliver hundreds every night.

Call me crazy but I've a feeling the third best pizzas in Europe have a slightly more complicated production process than Domino's.

Tenzor07 · 17-09-2020 01:45PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Oh I didn't know women were meant to get a free pass, thanks for letting me know Mr. White Knight.
I'll call out any poster, male or female that thinks that are above adherence to the regulations. If someone was posting that they were having 6/7 friends over weekly for beer, crisps and to watch football and then tried to explain it away, I'd express similar ire.

Anyone who doesn't strictly adhere to the NPHET-FFFG rules are gonna have to deal with you is it?

You went to town on Susieblue, someone who said she was having a few pals around for a little soiree...It was none of your business to jump on your high horse and judge her or anyone for it...
Once you stick to the rules yourself then let the authorities deal with those who don't.

Tenzor07 · 17-09-2020 01:46PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Holy Sh!t!!! An internet "call out" from Mr Musician. Better watch my step and adhere blindly to the contradictory govt guidelines. :rolleyes:

I'm sure I'll see him next Tuesday...:D

weldoninhio · 17-09-2020 01:52PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I'm sure I'll see him next Tuesday...:D

Calm down, you don't wanna be "called out" by an anonymous stranger on the internet!!!

joeguevara · 17-09-2020 01:52PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

Call me crazy but I've a feeling the third best pizzas in Europe have a slightly more complicated production process than Domino's.

Firstly it is 16th in Europe and not third. https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/food/2020/0914/1165038-dublin-pizza-spot-named-in-top-20-pizzerias-in-europe/

Pizzas take 15 minutes in the oven and probably less than 5 minutes to prepare. Its the prep work in the sauce, the proper prooving of the dough, and sourcing of the best ingredients is all that it takes. There is no magic complicated production process. Also, the actual oven that is woodfired and not an electric or gas conveyor belt.

The Nal · 17-09-2020 01:57PM

2ndcoming wrote: »

Call me crazy but I've a feeling the third best pizzas in Europe have a slightly more complicated production process than Domino's.

Its the exact same. Flour, water yeast and toppings, put in the oven for 90 seconds and you have a pizza.

2ndcoming · 17-09-2020 01:59PM

The Nal wrote: »

Its the exact same. Flour, water yeast and toppings, put in the oven for 90 seconds and you have a pizza.

It isn't the exact same any more than a McDonald's double cheeseburger isn't the exact same as a €20 burger.

MrMusician18 · 17-09-2020 02:30PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't strictly adhere to the NPHET-FFFG rules are gonna have to deal with you is it?

You went to town on Susieblue, someone who said she was having a few pals around for a little soiree...It was none of your business to jump on your high horse and judge her or anyone for it...
Once you stick to the rules yourself then let the authorities deal with those who don't.

If you don't want people to comment on it then don't post about on a discussion forum. I would've thought that obvious. It's stooping pretty low to groundlessly accuse me of only making such comments because she is a woman.

I'm not going around policing the rules -that is indeed for the authorities. But obviously I'm not going to endorse hosting parties that breach the rules and that make this ****ty situation last even longer either. Nor am I going to accept to the BS justification surrounding it as well.

The Nal · 17-09-2020 02:40PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Firstly it is 16th in Europe and not third. https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/food/2020/0914/1165038-dublin-pizza-spot-named-in-top-20-pizzerias-in-europe/

Pizzas take 15 minutes in the oven and probably less than 5 minutes to prepare. Its the prep work in the sauce, the proper prooving of the dough, and sourcing of the best ingredients is all that it takes. There is no magic complicated production process. Also, the actual oven that is woodfired and not an electric or gas conveyor belt.

Those woodfired ovens get to 500c, I have one. The pizzas take between 60 and 90 seconds to cook. You just need one person making the pizzas (2 minutes for someone who knows what they're at) and one person cooking (a trained monkey could do it) and you can do 30 or 40 pizzas an hour easily. Pay some student 15 quid an hour to be a runner to Toners and O'Donaghues. People can eat out of the box. Easy.

Just find O'Ds on twitter bitching about it a little odd. Love that pub.

hetuzozaho · 17-09-2020 03:13PM

joeguevara wrote: »

Firstly it is 16th in Europe and not third. https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/food/2020/0914/1165038-dublin-pizza-spot-named-in-top-20-pizzerias-in-europe/

Pizzas take 15 minutes in the oven and probably less than 5 minutes to prepare. Its the prep work in the sauce, the proper prooving of the dough, and sourcing of the best ingredients is all that it takes. There is no magic complicated production process. Also, the actual oven that is woodfired and not an electric or gas conveyor belt.

15mins... sounds like frozen pizza

MOH · 17-09-2020 03:52PM

The Nal wrote: »

I think we're beyond taking something thats proposed 3 or 4 weeks into the future as gospel.

It is that straightforward by the way. Cirellos are crying out for business, as is the pub. Customers want to go to the pub to drink, people like pints, people like pizza, Cirellos will deliver.....

Toners are doing it.

Wow, hindsight is wonderful.
You claimed that pubs should have done it in June. At which time they weren't "beyond taking something thats proposed 3 or 4 weeks as gospel".

It's not remotely that straightforward "by the way" (30 seconds googling). You can't just spontaneously decide you're going to start serving food to customers and do it the next day.

I suspect a lot of the pubs currently serving food are in breach of food safety regulations (and, ironically, endangering the health of customers) but even this government isn't going to risk going around and fining/closing pubs for breaches right now.

Yet again, the ones actually following the rules are the ones who are suffering. Pretty much par for the course in this banana republic.

The Nal · 17-09-2020 04:00PM

MOH wrote: »

Wow, hindsight is wonderful.
You claimed that pubs should have done it in June. At which time they weren't "beyond taking something thats proposed 3 or 4 weeks as gospel".

It's not remotely that straightforward "by the way" (30 seconds googling). You can't just spontaneously decide you're going to start serving food to customers and do it the next day.

I suspect a lot of the pubs currently serving food are in breach of food safety regulations (and, ironically, endangering the health of customers) but even this government isn't going to risk going around and fining/closing pubs for breaches right now.

Yet again, the ones actually following the rules are the ones who are suffering. Pretty much par for the course in this banana republic.

Technically its not that simple, but it is. Lots of pubs in the country are just putting bags of fish and chips on tables for €9. Depends how well you get on with the local gardai.

As soon as they announced the pubs were closed that didnt serve food, publicans should've been on the case. I know a couple who did it.

MOH · 17-09-2020 04:19PM

The Nal wrote: »

Technically its not that simple, but it is. Lots of pubs in the country are just putting bags of fish and chips on tables for €9. Depends how well you get on with the local gardai.

As soon as they announced the pubs were closed that didnt serve food, publicans should've been on the case. I know a couple who did it.

Ah right. So we're not actually talking about public health or pubs being allowed to open safely in accordance with the law. You're saying that pubs which couldn't open without breaking one law should get around that by breaking other laws, as long as they could trust the local gardai to ignore this?

By "on the case" you presumably mean publicans should have sent a few crates of beer around to the local station?

Sure then why bother with the food at all? If you're on *really* good terms with the local gardai, you could just open regardless and pretend to be insisting everyone orders food. There's definitely a few doing that. It's not exactly a model to be lauded.

ArmaniJeanss · 17-09-2020 04:30PM

The Nal wrote: »

Technically its not that simple, but it is. Lots of pubs in the country are just putting bags of fish and chips on tables for €9.

There must be insurance/health&safety issues there.
Who's ultimately responsible if I chew on a loose bit of metal in a pizza? I ordered it in the pub and that it came from somewhere else is no concern of mine.

But presumably the pubs insurance company will say that the premium/policy doesn't cover food offerings. And the chippers insurance will point out that I never made a purchase from them.

rubadub · 17-09-2020 04:45PM

MOH wrote: »

It's not remotely that straightforward "by the way" (30 seconds googling). You can't just spontaneously decide you're going to start serving food to customers and do it the next day.

what is the story with pubs selling bags of crisps & peanuts? do they have to follow the exact same rules?

If not then I expect the same would be happening if somebody got metal in a pizza or a packet of crisps or back when you might (rarely) see an open bowl of peanuts laid out.

If they do then does cream count as food? i.e. some cocktails, or slices of lemon etc.

MOH · 17-09-2020 04:51PM

rubadub wrote: »

what is the story with pubs selling bags of crisps & peanuts? do they have to follow the exact same rules?

If not then I expect the same would be happening if somebody got metal in a pizza or a packet of crisps or back when you might (rarely) see an open bowl of peanuts laid out.

If they do then does cream count as food? i.e. some cocktails, or slices of lemon etc.

I don't know, you'd have to research it or ask the FSAI? It just seemed highly unlikely to me that a business could suddenly decide to start serving meals overnight without some kind of health requirements, I spent 30 seconds googling it and posted the most relevant link.

The Nal · 17-09-2020 04:57PM

MOH wrote: »

Ah right. So we're not actually talking about public health or pubs being allowed to open safely in accordance with the law. You're saying that pubs which couldn't open without breaking one law should get around that by breaking other laws, as long as they could trust the local gardai to ignore this?

By "on the case" you presumably mean publicans should have sent a few crates of beer around to the local station?

Sure then why bother with the food at all? If you're on *really* good terms with the local gardai, you could just open regardless and pretend to be insisting everyone orders food. There's definitely a few doing that. It's not exactly a model to be lauded.

Toners are open and serving pizzas from Cirellos down the road.

Open the Pubs · 17-09-2020 05:28PM

The Nal wrote: »

Toners are open and serving pizzas from Cirellos down the road.

Is there many customers? It's quite big out the back. Assume with footfall massively and lack of sport there might not be many in.

weldoninhio · 17-09-2020 05:28PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

There must be insurance/health&safety issues there.
Who's ultimately responsible if I chew on a loose bit of metal in a pizza? I ordered it in the pub and that it came from somewhere else is no concern of mine.

But presumably the pubs insurance company will say that the premium/policy doesn't cover food offerings. And the chippers insurance will point out that I never made a purchase from them.

In my local you make the order from the chipper yourself, so it is you ordering.

MOH · 17-09-2020 05:59PM

The Nal wrote: »

Toners are open and serving pizzas from Cirellos down the road.

That's nice. And maybe they went through whatever processes are required to legally serve food.

Which is irrelevant to your claim that every pub should have just started serving food overnight in June regardless, because they should have known they wouldn't be allowed to open for 3 months.

The Nal · 18-09-2020 08:57AM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Is there many customers? It's quite big out the back. Assume with footfall massively and lack of sport there might not be many in.

Toners are advertising that theyre showing the Leinster match on Saturday. Sports, booze, pizza. Obviously with social distancing etc capacity is hugely reduced but they'll be busy.

MOH wrote: »

That's nice. And maybe they went through whatever processes are required to legally serve food.

Which is irrelevant to your claim that every pub should have just started serving food overnight in June regardless, because they should have known they wouldn't be allowed to open for 3 months.

As soon as no food pubs were announced, pubs could have become a food pub. And its easily done. As below.

weldoninhio wrote: »

In my local you make the order from the chipper yourself, so it is you ordering.

The premises reserves the right to allow you to consume outside food. Or not.

Any food offering will be required to be a substantial meal (as defined by the Intoxicating Liquor Act 1962: 'the meal is such as might be expected to be served as a main midday or evening meal or as a main course in either such meal') and will be required to be of a kind for which it would be reasonable to charge not less than €9.”

So nothing saying you can't order a 9 quid pizza in and be served that as your €9 meal.

robbiezero · 18-09-2020 09:11AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

In my local you make the order from the chipper yourself, so it is you ordering.

Same in mine. Was also allowed by them pre-pandemic.

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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