Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

seamus · 17-09-2020 09:35AM

pc7 wrote: »

I'm based in Dublin and due to meet two Dublin based friends for lunch Saturday, if we are level 2 we are ok to go? But if we go to level 3 we should reconsider to go by the guidelines (is that correct?).

Basically, nobody knows. The plan literally says, "Additional restrictions" and nothing else. So until they move to level 3 and tell us what these restrictions are, nobody really knows.

At guess, restaurants will be restricted to having tables of either four or six people from two households. At the moment it's six from 3.

Drumpot · 17-09-2020 09:35AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It could be the masks alright. Correlation is not causation though. Quite a few things changed at that time. It could be a combination of things listed below.

Don’t forget That there is mounting evidence that suggests masks reduce viral load that people get which means that wearing a mask May protect both wearer and those around them. This would possibly somewhat explain the increase in cases but the lower death rates.

pc7 · 17-09-2020 09:36AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

I guess the best advice is to zoom instead. Keep your contacts down

I know you are right, but I'm sick of this sh!t, we have done everything right, abided by all the rules. Zoom isn't the same, I spend the week on zoom meetings. I was looking forward to seeing them face to face for a proper catch up

hetuzozaho · 17-09-2020 09:37AM

pc7 wrote: »

I know you are right, but I'm sick of this sh!t, we have done everything right, abided by all the rules. Zoom isn't the same, I spend the week on zoom meetings. I was looking forward to seeing them face to face for a proper catch up

Yep. Seems to be were lots of people are.

And the virus is loving it

seamus · 17-09-2020 09:40AM

PGE1970 wrote: »

Does he also have to self-isolate? It is only the two of them in their house but I will assume that they share a bedroom etc.

Short answer is no.
She doesn't have to isolate, she has to restrict her movements. This means she can go outside for walks/exercise, but should avoid coming into contact with other people if at all possible, especially indoors.

He does not have to restrict his movements unless she develops symptoms, at which point he should immediately restrict.

I think out of common sense and courtesy, most people have decided that once a household member is in restriction, the whole household is, but some people are bull-headed about it.

PGE1970 · 17-09-2020 09:46AM

Many thanks Seamus!

caveat emptor · 17-09-2020 09:48AM

pc7 wrote: »

I know you are right, but I'm sick of this sh!t, we have done everything right, abided by all the rules. Zoom isn't the same, I spend the week on zoom meetings. I was looking forward to seeing them face to face for a proper catch up

You should arrange a game of golf. That's where all the movers and shakers are at these days.

In the UK grouse shooting is the new golf.

It wouldn't be called a rule in Ireland if it didn't have a loop hole.

drunkmonkey · 17-09-2020 09:48AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It could be the masks alright. Correlation is not causation though. Quite a few things changed at that time. It could be a combination of things listed below.

None of those settings in the easing of restrictions resulted in a significant rise in cases. Stats were posted earlier.

Luke O'Neill has been responsible in driving a lot of this, himself and Pat Kenny have a daily bash at Trump and chat about what they read on CNN the night before. It's went something like this.

Trump puts on a mask, Luke O'Neill appears on the Telly saying masking doesn't work.
Trump says a vaccine is coming soon, Luke O'Neill says mask stop the spread.
Trump says vaccine due mid October, the very next day Luke O'Neill says that masks can give us immunity with a micro dose of Covid we may not need a vaccine.

The pair of them are using the pandemic as a political football. I'd they didn't mention cnn and Trump every other day I could believe they have the nations best interest at heart but the way the pair of them are carrying on is disgraceful.

hmmm · 17-09-2020 09:53AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

There are people out socialising every week, some multiple times a week. You can do a lot of socialising and kind of keep within the regulations to justify it but it's not keeping with the spirit of it at all imo, and hence why they keep having to ask us to reduce our contacts. They are obviously not aiming it at you!

Unfortunately this crowd will keep doing what they do. Meanwhile those who are doing their bit are going to be cutting down on their already meager social contacts. Activities like hiking and cycling are some of the safest things you can do and these groups in Dublin are talking about going out less even though they are minimal risk - meanwhile others are completely taking the p**s with large parties and meeting large groups down the pub.

RebelButtMunch · 17-09-2020 09:53AM

pc7 wrote: »

I know you are right, but I'm sick of this sh!t, we have done everything right, abided by all the rules. Zoom isn't the same, I spend the week on zoom meetings. I was looking forward to seeing them face to face for a proper catch up

It's a pain in the hole all right. Meet them and just sit outdoors ~2 meters away.

OscarMIlde · 17-09-2020 09:54AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Controversial opinion perhaps but, NPHET are scientists. They have only one way of thinking.

They have no sense of social interaction, emotions, people's jobs etc. Think they give a **** how much Joe Bloggs who lives on his own feels about meeting his friend once a week for a pint? Or how Angela and Michael are going to pay their mortgage? I'd be shocked if they ever had more than a Rock Shandy in a bar

"Cut your contacts in half" ffs
I meet 3 people a week. What am I supposed to do? Get a chainsaw down the middle to one of them?

Yes. Scientists don't have emotions, friends, families, or money worries. They never drink, socialise, or have fun. They are automatons driven only by logic.

Do you hear yourself? Do you actually believe that nonsense.

Irish Steve · 17-09-2020 09:57AM

Sky news just carried report from a senior executive of North East council area of UK, who is looking for Government support as a result of new higher lockdown introduction. The thrust of the report was that they needed help to manage the 3 prime causes of the increase in cases.

The first reason was an increase as a result of "house parties".

The second reason was the number of clusters based around Pubs

The third reason was the number of clusters originating from Sports clubs.

Seems to me to be a microcosm of the issues that are driving what's happening in Dublin and surrounding areas.

Friend of ours walked into a local (semi wet) pub this week, took one look around and walked straight back out again. The pub in question has no food licence, and has been skirting around the food requirement by getting stuff in so that they have something on the tables. It's not a "substantial meal", but they've been getting away with it because there's been no real enforcement. He walked out because the place was already rammed, with no social separation, and he didn't feel safe in what would have been his regular pub for years.

Our only option at the moment is the least worst option, which is to manage the infection to avoid overwhelming the health services and the staff of that service. There is no magic wand to make this go away, so in the absence of a vaccine, we have to try and protect as many people as possible, for however long it takes, and lockdowns are the only way to get it back under control when it surges.

When it's under control again, which we've proved can be done, we have to change how we then manage it in the hot spot situations to prevent it from flaring up again, which requires some much more up front total honesty from the leadership of the country, and much clearer information about how to avoid "accidental" spreading again, and that will mean some serious cultural and attitude changes for how ever long it takes for a vaccine to emerge and become effective.

And no, we don't have a choice, it is unfortunately that black and white.

caveat emptor · 17-09-2020 10:00AM

Drumpot wrote: »

Don’t forget That there is mounting evidence that suggests masks reduce viral load that people get which means that wearing a mask May protect both wearer and those around them. This would possibly somewhat explain the increase in cases but the lower death rates.

I think masks definitely help for loads of reasons. I think the resurgence of cases can be attributed to a couple of things. Other European countries have had mandated masks in place since the start and didn't see an uptick.

The easing of restrictions is what caused it. I'm not advocating reimplementing them but it's fairly clear that and human behaviour are the drivers.

Interestingly this winter will see another driver that we haven't seen thus far.
Greater time spent indoors.

hetuzozaho · 17-09-2020 10:02AM

hmmm wrote: »

Unfortunately this crowd will keep doing what they do. Meanwhile those who are doing their bit are going to be cutting down on their already meager social contacts. Activities like hiking and cycling are some of the safest things you can do and these groups in Dublin are talking about going out less even though they are minimal risk - meanwhile others are completely taking the p**s with large parties and meeting large groups down the pub.

You mean I've been hiking solo and you've been meeting up in groups!! :pac:

daydorunrun · 17-09-2020 10:04AM

Feels like I've travel through time and landed back in March/April 2020 on here this morning- 'Runners need to **** off', 'teachers are lazy and don't want to work', 'masks don't work', 'masks work', lockdown, lockdown, lockdown. It's gonna be a long winter. Can you get an induced coma on prescription? Set the alarm clock to April 21'.

Seriously though I'm not sure I'll be mentally able for what's ahead, finding positivity hard to come by atm. I've been an upbeat, positive person for the vast majority of my 46 years on this planet, now there's a raw, unfamiliar sadness and anxiety that's hard to bare at times, I'm snappy with loved ones and generally no longer the person I was 6 months ago. Sorry for the negativity.

hmmm · 17-09-2020 10:05AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

You mean I've been hiking solo and you've been meeting up in groups!! :pac:

Groups of upto 15 have been allowed meet outside for most sports. Social distancing, no contact and all that crack however.

podgeandrodge · 17-09-2020 10:07AM

I dunno. Depressed. Holidays booked for a few counties down south in October and looks likely that holiday is a gonner and I will have to cancel all the bookings.

Meanwhile, I can go to many countries in Europe and have a good holiday. Opposite to what Govt asked me to do.

caveat emptor · 17-09-2020 10:08AM

Virus survives 7X longer on surfaces in autumn conditions than it does in summer conditions on a range of surfaces.

https://twitter.com/QuickTake/status/1306518291377160192?s=20

OwenM · 17-09-2020 10:09AM

I think some calm and a sense of perspective is needed, an awful lot of fearmongering in the media and social media in the last few days. We are not all going to die in the next few weeks, we need to learn to live with this and that means not locking down the country because somebody might die, people die every day.

The one thing not being talked about is the prospect that there might never be a vaccine, it's a reality and it's not being planned for. Worse than that we will never IMO arrive at a point where we accept that and spend years destroying the mental health and economy of the country.

Here's a perspective that might make people feel a bit better. France, Spain and the UK combined have had more cases in the last 6 weeks than all of March, April and May but a tiny fraction of the deaths.

My source is the WHO Europe region website: https://who.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ead3c6475654481ca51c248d52ab9c61

Micky 32 · 17-09-2020 10:09AM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Several experts have already said that covid isn't going anywhere this is the new status quo

No expert in the world ( maybe the boards experts know something?) knows how this virus will pan out. But going by history the probability is high this pandemic will end lke all pandemics have done in the past.

yourdeadwright · 17-09-2020 10:09AM

I have a friend getting married on Saturday morning in Dublin ,
Only 25 will be at the ceremony which is fine but the reception is just across the border in Meath like 10 minutes

Feel so sorry for them as it looks like it'll all have to be cancelled come 6:30 pm on Friday less than 24 hours before there big day

hetuzozaho · 17-09-2020 10:09AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I dunno. Depressed. Holidays booked for a few counties down south in October and looks likely that holiday is a gonner and I will have to cancel all the bookings.

Meanwhile, I can go to many countries in Europe and have a good holiday. Opposite to what Govt asked me to do.

Government still advising against non essential foreign travel no?

SeaBreezes · 17-09-2020 10:10AM

Drumpot wrote: »

We need only see how Germany’s war reparations after WW1 led to WW2 to see how impractical a massive fine would be. Regardless, I don’t think a disaster like this should be used to beat China and I don’t see how a more isolated China would be good for the world.

In a very weird way, this could be a wake up call that we needed to prepare for a potential worse pandemic down the road. I’m not saying this pandemic is a good thing, but it’s certainly shown how horribly unprepared western countries are to deal with crisis. What’s pathetic is that this where the most wealth is and yet little is being invested to protect the country’s from these threats.
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Theres also the fact the gain of function research that obama stopped funding due to.the possibiity of pandemic, the US moved offshore and startes funding again in 2019 on coronaviruses in the lab in Wuhan MAY indicate an escapee from the lab.
None of this is conspiracy theory, its funded research fact. US stopped funding the research this April.

In that case, whos responsible? The country who funded the dangerous research or the lab from which it escaped?

Do we sue both the US and China?.
Its complicated.

stephenjmcd · 17-09-2020 10:10AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Government still advising against non essential foreign travel no?

Nope that'll change for anywhere on the new greenlist

ixoy · 17-09-2020 10:11AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

I dunno. Depressed. Holidays booked for a few counties down south in October and looks likely that holiday is a gonner and I will have to cancel all the bookings..

Finalised some details of our staycation on Monday and then next day threatened to have it all pulled away from us so I very much understand your frustration.

fits · 17-09-2020 10:13AM

76 in hospital now. It’s gone up from 20 ish in no time at all.

We should have gone for zero Covid when we had the chance. ( but needed UK in it too).

Boggles · 17-09-2020 10:13AM

OwenM wrote: »

Here's a perspective that might make people feel a bit better. France, Spain and the UK combined have had more cases in the last 6 weeks than all of March, April and May

No they haven't.

It's an utterly false perspective.

OwenM · 17-09-2020 10:15AM

Boggles wrote: »

No they haven't.

It's an utterly false perspective.

Would you care to expand on your perspective?

stockshares · 17-09-2020 10:15AM

This is gas. Teneo not taking the blame for briefing disaster

https://twitter.com/TomLyonsBiz/status/1306487046295478272?s=19

owlbethere · 17-09-2020 10:16AM

'kids can't transmit the infection' - it was peddled our way to get the schools back.

I found it bizarre how people were coming out saying kids can't transmit the infection to adults.

Turns out that was a lie to the populations: the same muck was spun in England.

Mike Cameron &#55357;&#56715; on Twitter: "“It is, alas, a fact of the disease that it is readily transmissible between children and adults....” Cat out of bag. Makes the whole basis upon which schools have been opened open to question. https://t.co/XCxpBZ6FGB" / Twitter

https://twitter.com/i/status/1306246353379569665

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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