Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

lulublue22 · 17-09-2020 08:38AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Thats great, chances are if she gets it, she will be just fine.

I would really hope so - but it gets my goat to hear the tripe spouted about the elderly as if they are all one step away from death anyhow and really don’t matter. We all have needs and wants and everyone including the elderly are affected by the restrictions and making sacrifices.

is_that_so · 17-09-2020 08:39AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Let's not pretend everyone in their 60s or 70s are tech savy either, a lot of them struggle.

As do plenty in their 20s, 30s etc. Don't confuse the ability to flip through apps as evidence of tech knowledge.

screamer · 17-09-2020 08:39AM

Any indoor spaces where people congregate are transmission hubs for Covid. Schools and pubs are ideal places for it, and with the rise is cases, we are bound to see more outbreaks stemming from these settings. There’s little point getting worked up about it, as it seems that this is the plan of our grave and fearful leaders. Best thing we can all do is look after our own health and safety, and get through this winter as best we can.

Living Off The Splash · 17-09-2020 08:39AM

It appears that house parties are being blamed for the high numbers?

What about those people not having house parties and getting sick?

Do they ever got to the bottom of Community or Unknown transmission?

These people have to be picking it up somewhere.

firemansam4 · 17-09-2020 08:49AM

GooglePlus wrote:

Any GP refusing to see a patient when absolutely necessary should look at other professions.

Anyone being refused should look elsewhere and they won't have to look too far. I've 2 GPs between my home town and where I live now, both of which are seeing patients. My girlfriend has a separate GP and she is going in next week. I've only been discussing mental health issues with a close friend and he has been in to see his GP also, which could have been done over Zoom but there you go.

Having a quick look at 5 different GP websites just now, they're all taking face to face consultations so it seems that the GPs refusing are few in numbers.

A couple of things on this...

Firstly, just because something is true for one location does not mean it is true in others. I live in a quite rural location with one main health center and all doctors are taking phone consultations only. Now I'm sure if there is a serious problem they would probably see a patient.

But how many people will be avoiding the doctor who may have an embarrassing problem or something because they simply don't want to have a phone consultation about what there issues are.
Minor issues not looked at now may turn more serious in time if not checked early. I know of one relative who has put off visiting a doctor for this very reason.

the corpo · 17-09-2020 08:49AM

User1998 wrote: »

Although I do have sympathy for you, I don’t think healthy individuals should have to put their lives on hold for complete strangers like you.

But they're an equal member of society to you, not a complete stranger. If you choose to be a member of society, you choose to share the burden of that society, as well as the bonuses. Like you, they pay their taxes and contribute to the benefit of your life, when we're in a crisis why is it unreasonable for them to expect you to be mindful of them?

I'm as atheist as they come, but I recognise this is a largely catholic/christian country. Surely one of the most basic concepts of that is you help look after those who can't look after themselves? I mean, is it not just a gentle courtesy?

Boggles · 17-09-2020 08:50AM

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

It appears that house parties are being blamed for the high numbers?

What about those people not having house parties and getting sick?

Do they ever got to the bottom of Community or Unknown transmission?

These people have to be picking it up somewhere.

5 "clusters" tracked back to pubs, a figure that seems static and hasn't changed much if at all in weeks / months.

The one place people are allowed congregate indoors without a mask where you are 19 times more likely to catch and transmit the virus is a Covid Free zone.

Not a single case traced back in how long?

That's not suspect at all. :pac:

We should roof the country and call it a pub, we wouldn't need a vaccine then.

podgeandrodge · 17-09-2020 08:52AM

Boggles wrote: »

5 "clusters" tracked back to pubs, a figure that seems static and hasn't changed much if at all in weeks / months.

The one place people are allowed congregate indoors without a mask where you are 19 times more likely to catch and transmit the virus is a Covid Free zone.

Not a single case traced back in how long?

That's not suspect at all. :pac:

We should roof the country and call it a pub, we wouldn't need a vaccine then.

You'd imagine that aerosol transmission, it it is a relevant factor, would be occurring in pubs. But if they are not tracing back to pubs much....

But if it's not mainly aerosol transmission, surely it's not just coughs and sneezes, there's not that many people going around coughing and sneezing to explain it either!

Surfaces? Ahh, wait, mask fidgeting!

Boggles · 17-09-2020 08:54AM

firemansam4 wrote: »

A couple of things on this...
Firstly, just because something is true for one location does not mean it is true in others. I live in a quite rural location with one main health center and all doctors are taking phone consultations only. Now I'm sure if there is a serious problem they would probably see a patient.

Of course they will.

Also if you live in a rural area with one health center, if they have an outbreak among staff, you have no health center.

The systems there are to protect patients and staff, they are not apparent so you don't see them.

Boggles · 17-09-2020 08:56AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

But if it's not mainly aerosol transmission, surely it's not just coughs and sneezes, there's not that many people going around coughing and sneezing to explain it either!

We have moved on from coughs and sneezes, Nolan was asking people not to talk loudly last night.

Roger_007 · 17-09-2020 08:59AM

I wish they public health officials would stop using the Cases per 100,000 to compare counties. It is totally meaningless unless each county has a similar population.
If there is an outbreak in a particular type of setting involving, say, 20 cases, that would translate to less than 2 per 100,000 in Dublin but would translate to 200 per 100,000 in Leitrim even though the actual number of cases is the same.

Lies, dammed lies and statistics etc.

wellwhynot · 17-09-2020 09:00AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Any GP refusing to see a patient when absolutely necessary should look at other professions.

Anyone being refused should look elsewhere and they won't have to look too far. I've 2 GPs between my home town and where I live now, both of which are seeing patients. My girlfriend has a separate GP and she is going in next week. I've only been discussing mental health issues with a close friend and he has been in to see his GP also, which could have been done over Zoom but there you go.

Having a quick look at 5 different GP websites just now, they're all taking face to face consultations so it seems that the GPs refusing are few in numbers.

It is not so easy to just move doctor. Around my way they are not taking new patients.

Boggles · 17-09-2020 09:01AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

I wish they public health officials would stop using the Cases per 100,000 to compare counties. It is totally meaningless unless each county has a similar population.
If there is an outbreak in a particular type of setting involving, say, 20 cases, that would translate to less than 2 per 100,000 in Dublin but would translate to 200 per 100,000 in Leitrim even though the actual number of cases is the same.

Lies, dammed lies and statistics etc.

17-09-2020 09:06AM

I watched Michael Martin do his speech and noticed he said this disease has long term affects. If it's only months old, on what basis is he making that statement? we hear that it's only a new virus all the time from Luke O Neil for example. MM also said it was great to see our children "Playing" in school again.. ehhh no their NOT. The school setting has been touted as a low transmission zone and a NON driver of cases..this cannot possibly be the case if they're playing in the sense he indicated. he's talking shyte plain an simple

17-09-2020 09:06AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

For the craic, maybe! Or maybe they have a good reason not to be seeing patients face to face, I donâ€™t understand why though!

If a doctor thinks he has a good reason not to see any patients they need to rethink their profession. Mary for her repeat prescription for the pill or Tommy to have his statins renewed yes, but the one profession that needs to keep face to face contacts are doctors.

Having said that, I personally have not heard of any gp refusing to see patients

Hector Savage · 17-09-2020 09:07AM

Rant incoming ....

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-09-17/spain-reports-239-new-coronavirus-deaths-the-highest-figure-so-far-during-the-second-wave-of-the-epidemic.html

The Spanish Health Ministry on Wednesday reported 239 new coronavirus victims, the highest such figure so far during the second wave of the health crisis in the country. In total, there have been 30,243 official Covid-19 deaths, according to government statistics. But this data only includes those who died after a positive PCR test, and other indicators such as excess death surveys suggest a much higher death toll.

Not since June 19 have so many fatalities been reported by the ministry, and that date was exceptional given that it saw the inclusion of hundreds of older cases in the total after two weeks without an update. Apart from this anomaly, such a high figure has not been seen since the beginning of May, when Spain was under a state of alarm and nearly two months into its strict lockdown.

Well F*CK THIS SH*T anyway!!!

That's it, another f*cking lockdown!!

as these cases were rising, I was saying ... well the death rate is low ... so it's not so bad, well now that seems to be heading back to sh1tsville, we don't even have that.

And god knows how long this lockdown will last as winter is coming, this sh*t will never end .... it will go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ..............................

China needs to be held accountable, fined trillions by the rest of the world.
Economy in Spain is bad now, but now it will just be utterly destroyed, I expect to see mass starvation and mass homelessless .....

/rant

drunkmonkey · 17-09-2020 09:10AM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

You'd imagine that aerosol transmission, it it is a relevant factor, would be occurring in pubs. But if they are not tracing back to pubs much....

But if it's not mainly aerosol transmission, surely it's not just coughs and sneezes, there's not that many people going around coughing and sneezing to explain it either!

Surfaces? Ahh, wait, mask fidgeting!

It's blindingly obvious it's secondary transmission...indoor ban needs to go....Back to distancing and good hygiene.
Pity Professor Nolan can't see what happened with all this charting experience..

wellwhynot · 17-09-2020 09:13AM

We need NPHET to answer the following questions? I don’t have that information is NOT an answer.

- The recent deaths, when did they occur? The denotified two deaths yesterday, from when?

- Are people dying of COVID or with COVID? Our youngest COVID victim was a young girl who unfortunately was at the end of her life.

- The hospital admissions. Every person admitted to hospital is tested. Are the people presenting to hospital with COVID symptoms or asymptomatic with presenting with something else?

- Are the hospital cases catching it in hospital?

- Where are the deaths occurring?

Germany has published a report.
COVID mortality in the 80+ age group is now 11% despite the infection rate increasing. This is very good news.

In the 60 - 79 age group the death rate has fallen to 2%.

Under that age group the death rate is negligible.

Why are none of the media picking up the results of this great study?

the corpo · 17-09-2020 09:14AM

The WHO tends to be relatively slow in responding to changes in the science, but from the way Margaret Harris of the WHO spoke to Matt Cooper last night, they seem to be gearing up for long covid symptoms being a much bigger problem than previously thought.

I've always found her quite sensible and reassuring, but she definitely seemed quite worried by things like increasing cases of even healthy young asymptomatic athletes presenting with heart damage on investigation.

hetuzozaho · 17-09-2020 09:20AM

Stheno wrote: »

Seriously?

No one has been in my house since March 4th.
In the past two weeks I've had 2 close contacts other than my partner with whom I live, and those were his children whom we met on separate days for lunch

I was out once with four friends and visited a friend and my Mum once since July

I thought most people were behaving like this?

I've also worked from home since March and was looking forward to going to the office for a workshop for a few hours in October to see two of my colleagues really hope it happens

There are people out socialising every week, some multiple times a week. You can do a lot of socialising and kind of keep within the regulations to justify it but it's not keeping with the spirit of it at all imo, and hence why they keep having to ask us to reduce our contacts. They are obviously not aiming it at you!

Within the pub thread you can see there are people meeting different groups of people in the same week not socially distanced for hours on end. People hitting house parties after the pub. People having groups of friends over to their house weekly. Everyone justifying it in their own way.

If you stroll through Dublin city you will see tables of groups of guys and groups of girls.

From people I know, I know they are meeting with multiple different social groups, a work leaving do, an old friend in town. Meeting a friend for a run, I'll pick you up, no masks in car etc. Family events.

It all adds up I guess.

Roger_007 · 17-09-2020 09:26AM

wellwhynot wrote: »

We need NPHET to answer the following questions? I don’t have that information is NOT an answer.

- The recent deaths, when did they occur? The denotified two deaths yesterday, from when?

- Are people dying of COVID or with COVID? Our youngest COVID victim was a young girl who unfortunately was at the end of her life.

- The hospital admissions. Every person admitted to hospital is tested. Are the people presenting to hospital with COVID symptoms or asymptomatic with presenting with something else?

- Are the hospital cases catching it in hospital?

- Where are the deaths occurring?

Germany has published a report.
COVID mortality in the 80+ age group is now 11% despite the infection rate increasing. This is very good news.

In the 60 - 79 age group the death rate has fallen to 2%.

Under that age group the death rate is negligible.

Why are none of the media picking up the results of this great study?

The media are in thrall to the medics and the scientists who by their own admission know feck all about this virus.
NPHET, of course, don’t want to do themselves out of business by even hinting that this pandemic might not as bad as everyone first thought. They have been hogging the limelight for a good while now and they would be reluctant to give that up.

pc7 · 17-09-2020 09:26AM

I'm based in Dublin and due to meet two Dublin based friends for lunch Saturday, if we are level 2 we are ok to go? But if we go to level 3 we should reconsider to go by the guidelines (is that correct?).

Funsterdelux · 17-09-2020 09:27AM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

There are people out socialising every week, some multiple times a week. You can do a lot of socialising and kind of keep within the regulations to justify it but it's not keeping with the spirit of it at all imo, and hence why they keep having to ask us to reduce our contacts. They are obviously not aiming it at you!

Within the pub thread you can see there are people meeting different groups of people in the same week not socially distanced for hours on end. People hitting house parties after the pub. People having groups of friends over to their house weekly. Everyone justifying it in their own way.

If you stroll through Dublin city you will see tables of groups of guys and groups of girls.

From people I know, I know they are meeting with multiple different social groups, a work leaving do, an old friend in town. Meeting a friend for a run, I'll pick you up, no masks in car etc. Family events.

It all adds up I guess.

Also theres all the communion and confirmations happening at the moment. Plenty of large family get togethers.

Drumpot · 17-09-2020 09:27AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

China needs to be held accountable, fined trillions by the rest of the world.

We need only see how Germany’s war reparations after WW1 led to WW2 to see how impractical a massive fine would be. Regardless, I don’t think a disaster like this should be used to beat China and I don’t see how a more isolated China would be good for the world.

In a very weird way, this could be a wake up call that we needed to prepare for a potential worse pandemic down the road. I’m not saying this pandemic is a good thing, but it’s certainly shown how horribly unprepared western countries are to deal with crisis. What’s pathetic is that this where the most wealth is and yet little is being invested to protect the country’s from these threats.
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Keyzer · 17-09-2020 09:28AM

New Era wrote: »

The last point is absolutely on the money. Look at university hospital Limerick. Yesterday they cancelled all elective surgeries for the rest of this week due to overcrowding in the mid West main regions hospital. God help us if that's the case come the winter months.

Successive governments have failed miserably in tackling the persistent and never ending shambles in dealing with overcrowding, unsafe working conditions for healthcare staff and patients, low pay for our nurses, dealing with our two tier health system and helping to reduce costs for patients and families in financial strain, ongoing bureaucracy, lack of accountability in senior management in hospital and national level among many issues.

But above all that, their inability to get more beds in particular in our icu's in our acute public hospital sector has now caught up with us. We may be throwing hundreds of millions a year to the HSE, but what is the actual return for this investment. The answer which is more of the same incompetence that has plagued our hospitals for decades now. Compare our situation to other European countries and in particular countries of our size and it paints a very disturbing picture.

I feel most sorry for our healthcare staff. Listening to negative news about the ongoing ills of a health system, which has been not fit for purpose for well over 2 decades now. I might be accused of negative coverage myself, but nurses and doctors know for themselves that they are dealing with a system which hasn't served the best interests for patients and staff for a long time now.

For those reasons that I explained in the above, any criticism of the likes of Dr Glynn, Professor Nolan is a bit rich if you are blaming anyone for imposing more restrictive measures to dealing with the rise of the coronavirus here. It's the failure of the two biggest political parties Ff and Fg and their inadequate capabilities in resolving the ongoing issues within our health service, and those issues still remain despite countless money been thrown to address the problem.

Anyone screaming the narrative that "we must keep reopening the country no matter what" and other comments along similar lines, are in my opinion giving the government a free pass here on their handling of all matters linked to health.

On a separate note I found one particular comment this evening regarding older people and the virus as disgusting. I know that comment has been reported but having seen my 70 year old mother die last month, albeit not covid related, how could anyone dismiss our wonderful veterans who have worked all their lives, paid their taxes, minding their grandchildren and in recent times, now having to shield or cocoon in their homes of residence or in nursing homes and places of long stay throughout covid and not seeing visitors or family and relatives. And not to mention the countless amount of magical and wonderful memories that mammy, daddy, granny and grandad you have shared with also

To me I think that anyone who tries to invoke language like "it's only older people that suffer from covid" is absolutely not living in the world and anyone on public forums like boards or in the open air in general proclaiming that sort of rhetoric, should face significant consequences and should be called out for such provocative language. Shameful stuff.

One of the best posts I've seen on Boards... Bravo.

caveat emptor · 17-09-2020 09:29AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's blindingly obvious it's secondary transmission...indoor ban needs to go....Back to distancing and good hygiene.
Pity Professor Nolan can't see what happened with all this charting experience..

It could be the masks alright. Correlation is not causation though. Quite a few things changed at that time. It could be a combination of things listed below.

Hector Savage · 17-09-2020 09:29AM

Drumpot wrote: »

We need only see how Germany’s war reparations after WW1 led to WW2 to see how impractical a massive fine would be. Regardless, I don’t think a disaster like this should be used to beat China and I don’t see how a more isolated China would be good for the world.

In a very weird way, this could be a wake up call that we needed to prepare for a potential worse pandemic down the road. I’m not saying this pandemic is a good thing, but it’s certainly shown how horribly unprepared western countries are to deal with crisis. What’s pathetic is that this where the most wealth is and yet little is being invested to protect the country’s from these threats.
.

It's a good point, if this is how the world goes for a disease with a 0.1% death rate , can you imagine if we had something with 10% ? 20% ?

Mad Max scenario ...

Tokyo · 17-09-2020 09:31AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

You mean you don’t want me to have a different view of said poster and yourself? On yer bike pal.

Micky 32 wrote: »

Well if you do you are breaking forum rules by attacking the poster and not the post that can lead to a threadban. But you know all about threadbans don’t you?

Mod: Wind it in, and quit the bickering, or a threadban will indeed result.

PGE1970 · 17-09-2020 09:33AM

I have a question that I am hoping that someone can assist with. I can't find the information on the HSE website.

The wife of a work colleague is returning from a long stint working abroad next week. She is arriving from a non-green country.

Does he also have to self-isolate? It is only the two of them in their house but I will assume that they share a bedroom etc.

Thanks!

hetuzozaho · 17-09-2020 09:33AM

pc7 wrote: »

I'm based in Dublin and due to meet two Dublin based friends for lunch Saturday, if we are level 2 we are ok to go? But if we go to level 3 we should reconsider to go by the guidelines (is that correct?).

I guess the best advice is to zoom instead. Keep your contacts down

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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