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Mr Crispy · 16-09-2020 1:06am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Honestly think sony is talking ****e and pushed production back as demand will have gone down due to covid-19

Maybe. I think more outlets would have heard the rumours if they were true, but it's seemingly just Bloomberg reporting it (as far as I can see). And they've published unverified (and ultimately fake) stories in the past.

earthwormjack · 16-09-2020 1:29am

Mr Crispy wrote: »

Maybe. I think more outlets would have heard the rumours if they were true, but it's seemingly just Bloomberg reporting it (as far as I can see). And they've published unverified (and ultimately fake) stories in the past.

Takashi Mochizuki is generally pretty reliable though and doesn't report clickbait stuff.

Retr0gamer · 16-09-2020 9:45am

I very much doubt if it is happening it's due to production issues. I think like the PS4 there will be no major shortages of the consoles and they will be very well stocked.

CatInABox · 16-09-2020 1:21pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I very much doubt if it is happening it's due to production issues. I think like the PS4 there will be no major shortages of the consoles and they will be very well stocked.

The reporting on this has a kind of timeline, basically starting out with Sony making 5 million by Christmas, which was then doubled to 10 million (actually due to Covid, gaming demand has gone through the roof during the pandemic), and now this report of 15 million by March being reduced to 11 million by March.

I'll note that the Sony rebuttal comes with the caveat of "since we started mass production". Could have changed the day before. Highly unlikely, I think, but it's possible.

Anyway, I agree with you, I really doubt that there'll be any shortage at all, of any of the consoles, and that's all that really matters at the end of the day.

Retr0gamer · 16-09-2020 3:04pm

In a double whammy news update covering 'gamers are the absolute worst' and 'no ****, Sherlock' news:

It seems certain sections of the internet are up in arms because dataminers have discovered that the Mario 3D All Stars games are running under emulators. Pointing towards emulators developed by Nintendo Europe.

I'm wondering what they actually expected to find? Source ports?

Markitron · 16-09-2020 3:17pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

In a double whammy news update covering 'gamers are the absolute worst' and 'no ****, Sherlock' news:

It seems certain sections of the internet are up in arms because dataminers have discovered that the Mario 3D All Stars games are running under emulators. Pointing towards emulators developed by Nintendo Europe.

I'm wondering what they actually expected to find? Source ports?

I am in no way defending Nintendo here, I think this collection is a shambles tbh, but this is clearly just a bunch of morons taking any piece of information and fitting it into their narrative.

Seems like emulation = bad cos reasons, is all the thought they put into this argument.

CastorTroy · 16-09-2020 3:37pm

People on the Internet found something to complain about? Shocking! Now I'm off to splash around in puddles in Spider-man

Robert ninja · 16-09-2020 4:37pm

Nintendo was very aggressive against emulation and other legal issues yet I remember one of their official releases used a literal pirated copy. Me thinks people are angry at the double standard and hypocrisy of Nintendo.

earthwormjack · 16-09-2020 4:45pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

Nintendo was very aggressive against emulation and other legal issues yet I remember one of their official releases used a literal pirated copy. Me thinks people are angry at the double standard and hypocrisy of Nintendo.

From what I remember they hired the guy who worked on the emulator. They never downloaded a rom from the internet and sold it.

Retr0gamer · 16-09-2020 4:56pm

earthwormjack wrote: »

From what I remember they hired the guy who worked on the emulator. They never downloaded a rom from the internet and sold it.

They sold Super Mario Bros which had a header in the ROM. Headers are used by old emulators to work so old nes roms that have been hovering around the net for years still have them. The NES rom on the VC on the Wii still had a header meaning the definitely just downloaded it from a ROM site.

Nintendo are perfectly entitled to do that as the own the code. Also the developers in Nintendo Europe are separate from the Nintendo Lawyer brigade. Sure there's hypocrisy but in the end it doesn't matter really matter or bother anyone.

ERG89 · 16-09-2020 4:56pm

Markitron wrote: »

I am in no way defending Nintendo here, I think this collection is a shambles tbh, but this is clearly just a bunch of morons taking any piece of information and fitting it into their narrative.

Yet it still got 8's & 9's in reviews by most sites even though it's a uncharacteristically dour effort considering that a these are Mario games & not Kirby or Metroid which mean a lot less to Nintendo.

earthwormjack · 16-09-2020 5:09pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

They sold Super Mario Bros which had a header in the ROM. Headers are used by old emulators to work so old nes roms that have been hovering around the net for years still have them. The NES rom on the VC on the Wii still had a header meaning the definitely just downloaded it from a ROM site.

Nintendo are perfectly entitled to do that as the own the code. Also the developers in Nintendo Europe are separate from the Nintendo Lawyer brigade. Sure there's hypocrisy but in the end it doesn't matter really matter or bother anyone.

No they definitely didn't download it. There is zero proof of that. Having the same iNes header doesn't mean they downloaded a rom from the internet.

But like you said anyway. They own the copyright on all the games anyway.

AlmightyCushion · 16-09-2020 5:40pm

Markitron wrote: »

I am in no way defending Nintendo here, I think this collection is a shambles tbh, but this is clearly just a bunch of morons taking any piece of information and fitting it into their narrative.

Seems like emulation = bad cos reasons, is all the thought they put into this argument.

I thought they were pissed that it's using an emulator because it means they could easily emulate other games and release them but aren't. Not saying they're right but that's what I read.

Retr0gamer · 16-09-2020 6:16pm

earthwormjack wrote: »

No they definitely didn't download it. There is zero proof of that. Having the same iNes header doesn't mean they downloaded a rom from the internet.

But like you said anyway. They own the copyright on all the games anyway.

The header contained the URL to and old rom site so yeah they did.

But again it's a non issue as they own the code.

And they aren't the only company to do it. Taito did it and so did midway.

Retr0gamer · 16-09-2020 6:18pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I thought they were pissed that it's using an emulator because it means they could easily emulate other games and release them but aren't. Not saying they're right but that's what I read.

People need to understand how videogame development works. It's not a case of sticking a game in an emulator like at home. The qa to go through, marketing. Checking security and also nintendo tailor their emulation to each game. It means they don't put out an abomination like the PlayStation mini.

Retr0gamer · 16-09-2020 6:20pm

ERG89 wrote: »

Yet it still got 8's & 9's in reviews by most sites even though it's a uncharacteristically dour effort considering that a these are Mario games & not Kirby or Metroid which mean a lot less to Nintendo.

They are three games that run better than on the original hardware. What's the problem people see in that? And mario 64 has been touched up in many areas.

People expecting Mario 64 or sunshine to run at 60 fps when the engines are tied to framerates need a reality check.

Mr Crispy · 16-09-2020 6:31pm

The Mass Effect trilogy has been listed on a Portuguese etailer's site, for an October release on PS4, XB1, and Switch. (Gematsu)

Robert ninja · 16-09-2020 6:38pm

Pretty sure I played Sunshine @ 60fps years ago on Dolphin.

Zero-Cool · 16-09-2020 6:44pm

Mr Crispy wrote: »

The Mass Effect trilogy has been listed on a Portuguese etailer's site, for an October release on PS4, XB1, and Switch. (Gematsu)

And there was me ready to sell my ps4, **** sake, what a great thing to complain about. Surely there will be a next gen version or at it will at least be playable on next gen.

earthwormjack · 16-09-2020 6:47pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

The header contained the URL to and old rom site so yeah they did.

But again it's a non issue as they own the code.

And they aren't the only company to do it. Taito did it and so did midway.

Have you got a source for that? I've never heard of that so I'd be interested to see it.

dreamers75 · 16-09-2020 7:19pm

earthwormjack wrote: »

Have you got a source for that? I've never heard of that so I'd be interested to see it.

There is a few reports of this happening not just with Nintendo.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-18-did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us

earthwormjack · 16-09-2020 7:24pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

There is a few reports of this happening not just with Nintendo.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-01-18-did-nintendo-download-a-mario-rom-and-sell-it-back-to-us

I'm aware of that link but this particular case with Nintendo seems to have been debunked many times. I can't ever remember a URL linking back to a rom site either.

Robert ninja · 16-09-2020 7:52pm

earthwormjack wrote: »

I'm aware of that link but this particular case with Nintendo seems to have been debunked many times. I can't ever remember a URL linking back to a rom site either.

On boards? You wouldn't remember because a link to piracy sites would get modded. And is it really that hard to believe that Nintendo would do something like that? Source code is lost all the time. Shadow of the Colossus devs had to use youtube videos to reference the landscape when HD'ing it because they lost data. Silent Hill HD collection (an abomination) had to use an older, buggier version of the games because they also didn't have the final release source code. Publishers and devs are like anyone else... they'll quickly download something rather than do unnecessary work. It takes longer for me to transfer files locally between my phone and computer than it does to upload them to a cloud service and just sync.

og2k7 · 16-09-2020 7:54pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

And there was me ready to sell my ps4, **** sake, what a great thing to complain about. Surely there will be a next gen version or at it will at least be playable on next gen.

I think all games released after July need to run on PS5 (think seen an article somewhere).

earthwormjack · 16-09-2020 8:11pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

On boards? You wouldn't remember because a link to piracy sites would get modded. And is it really that hard to believe that Nintendo would do something like that? Source code is lost all the time. Shadow of the Colossus devs had to use youtube videos to reference the landscape when HD'ing it because they lost data. Silent Hill HD collection (an abomination) had to use an older, buggier version of the games because they also didn't have the final release source code. Publishers and devs are like anyone else... they'll quickly download something rather than do unnecessary work. It takes longer for me to transfer files locally between my phone and computer than it does to upload them to a cloud service and just sync.

It's not that hard to believe no, but when it has been debunked time and again and is generally accepted that they didn't download a rom from a website but hired the guy who worked on iNes and used his tools and that's where the header came from, it all adds up and makes sense.

Retr0gamer · 16-09-2020 8:15pm

earthwormjack wrote: »

It's not that hard to believe no, but when it has been debunked time and again and is generally accepted that they didn't download a rom from a website but hired the guy who worked on iNes and used his tools and that's where the header came from, it all adds up and makes sense.

I just read up on it. It has been debunked. Thanks for saying it was I wouldn't have known.

Potential-Monke · 16-09-2020 8:21pm

Nintendo are basically the Apple of home consoles. Our way or the highway. Surprised people still get surprised by Nintendo.

earthwormjack · 16-09-2020 8:26pm

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I just read up on it. It has been debunked. Thanks for saying it was I wouldn't have known.

No worries. I guess it doesn't prove it 100 per cent either but it does seem a more likely scenario instead of them downloading the game to resell so it's generally an accepted story.

It's an interesting enough read for 10 mins anyway.

Retr0gamer · 16-09-2020 8:46pm

Robert ninja wrote: »

Pretty sure I played Sunshine @ 60fps years ago on Dolphin.

With a fan patch that breaks the physics of the game. Nintendo are really not fans of presenting games differently from the original so a 60 fps port would have been outside the development scope of the project.

Retr0gamer · 16-09-2020 8:47pm

earthwormjack wrote: »

No worries. I guess it doesn't prove it 100 per cent either but it does seem a more likely scenario instead of them downloading the game to resell so it's generally an accepted story.

It's an interesting enough read for 10 mins anyway.

From what I read it's pretty conclusive.

Retr0gamer · 16-09-2020 8:48pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Nintendo are basically the Apple of home consoles. Our way or the highway. Surprised people still get surprised by Nintendo.

But in this case I don't see how they did anything wrong?

Vicxas · 16-09-2020 9:08pm

Don't forget the Sony showcase is on now

https://youtu.be/tjji8NEW9lo

Vicxas · 16-09-2020 9:23pm

Black ops Alpha is free to play on PS4 this weekend

CatInABox · 16-09-2020 9:47pm

So €399 for the DE PS5, €499 for the disk version. Impressive on the DE front, must be taking one heck of a bath on that price.

Nov 12th in select countries, Nov 19th for everywhere else.

Very good show I have to say, particularly liked the Playstation Collection or whatever it's called being added to PS Plus, means anyone buying a PS5 without ever having a PS4 will have a giant selection of top class games.

Mr Crispy · 16-09-2020 9:50pm

CatInABox wrote: »

So $399 for the DE PS5, $499 for the disk version. Impressive on the DE front, must be taking one heck of a bath on that price.

Nov 12th.

19th for us, I think.

johnny_ultimate · 16-09-2020 9:51pm

Yeah Sony going super aggressive with that 400 quid digital price (although I’m still all about the disc version). Series S is still a bargain, but being able to offer a clearly higher end machine for 100 quid more is what Sony needed if they want to come out fighting. Both Sony and MS are going hard it seems, so will be fascinating to see how it plays out.

daheadonu · 16-09-2020 9:57pm

No release that on demon souls and no news on BC not gonna lie was really hoping for it, great show all around

Temptamperu · 16-09-2020 10:00pm

I think i'm gonna go discless I havent used the disc drive on my PS4 for years now. Good price cant wait!!

Gunmonkey · 16-09-2020 10:02pm

CatInABox wrote: »

Very good show I have to say, particularly liked the Playstation Collection or whatever it's called being added to PS Plus, means anyone buying a PS5 without ever having a PS4 will have a giant selection of top class games.

I imagine that will be a very, very small subset of early adopters, theres over 100m PS4s in the wild. By my count, launch titles are those PS4 games, Fortnite and DMC5 SE....not the hottest bunch of games to pull in early adopters IMO

Mr Crispy · 16-09-2020 10:04pm

daheadonu wrote: »

No release that on demon souls and no news on BC not gonna lie was really hoping for it, great show all around

https://twitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/1306335931142565888?s=20

CatInABox · 16-09-2020 10:10pm

Official pre-orders are tomorrow apparently.

CatInABox · 16-09-2020 11:19pm

A surprising number of what I thought were PS5 exclusives are actually launching on PS4 as well, including Horizon 2. I mean, I totally get it, and support it, I think it's a great idea, but man, they really should have come out before now and announced it, rather than bang on about how they "believe in generations". It's so weird, and kinda self inflicted.

See here.

CatInABox · 16-09-2020 11:26pm

Also looking like they're pricing their first party games at $70/€80. Fecking hell.

https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1306343398157234176

YouSavedMyLife · 17-09-2020 12:05am

Anyone got experience with pre-ordering consoles?
I will want to get the PS5 for Demons Souls but i ain't gonna pre-order nothing. How soon after launch would yez reckon ill be able to walk into a shop and just pick one up? I suppose Corona Virus might have an impact on the amount of units available so its hard to estimate

Spooch · 17-09-2020 12:31am

Going by Gamestops Facebook page they are out of pre orders already. Id mine down since June so I wonder where in the queue I land. Can't imagine there'll be any walk in store stock until well into the new year

Robert ninja · 17-09-2020 1:10am

Retr0gamer wrote: »

With a fan patch that breaks the physics of the game. Nintendo are really not fans of presenting games differently from the original so a 60 fps port would have been outside the development scope of the project.

I played it to the end and got almost all of the stars. Never had any physics glitches. Was a brilliant experience. Game looked fantastic wither higher res and some post processing. I don't buy Nintendo products (since gamecube in fact) anymore but they age very well. At least the classic ones.

RasTa · 17-09-2020 8:02am

Bit shocked ps5 is sold out everywhere already. Presume it's worldwide

DeSelby83 · 17-09-2020 8:22am

RasTa wrote: »

Bit shocked ps5 is sold out everywhere already. Presume it's worldwide

Think it was a good marketing technique to basically show their video and then say pre orders are open. Creates a rush and a frenzy. Worked like a charm. Personally I think it's a bit ****ty considering they said they would give notice but it's good business.

CatInABox · 17-09-2020 8:33am

DeSelby83 wrote: »

Think it was a good marketing technique to basically show their video and then say pre orders are open. Creates a rush and a frenzy. Worked like a charm. Personally I think it's a bit ****ty considering they said they would give notice but it's good business.

In fairness, they showed their video and announced that pre-orders would go live the next day. Officially, it's still not available to pre-order from Sony.

They can't control what other retailers do though, not so close to release.

CastorTroy · 17-09-2020 9:42am

Yeah. They got preorders open before MS and with less time to think about it.

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