Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Schools are safe and will remain open.

Pubs should not reopen, as it sends the wrong message to public even if they are relatively safe. Try explaining to someone the need to be more careful while letting pubs open first time in 6 months and deaths being announced every day after many weeks of practically zero deaths.

If you say so Woody.

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niallo27 wrote: »

I have asked this before and its never answered, no other country has had their health system overwhelmed since opening, what makes you think ours will and if it does its a failure of our government who had ample time to ramp it up.

It Italy and Spain they had to choose who was given the ventilator and who died.
You might have missed or forgotten the videos of rows and rows in rooms and rooms of people hooked up to hospital machines while their families couldn't say goodbye.

Also military vehicles transporting bodies to crematoriums because hospital morgue were full.

Maybe you missed it.

Do you want me to post the videos to remind you?

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yes it is, have family in other European countries where the situation is pretty similar to here in terms of case numbers going up but they say there's not half as much panic as there is when they watch the Irish news.

They have their restrictions but getting on much better daily than we are.

My point is that its purely down to our shambles of a healthcare system, feel sorry for those who work in it

The last point is absolutely on the money. Look at university hospital Limerick. Yesterday they cancelled all elective surgeries for the rest of this week due to overcrowding in the mid West main regions hospital. God help us if that's the case come the winter months.

Successive governments have failed miserably in tackling the persistent and never ending shambles in dealing with overcrowding, unsafe working conditions for healthcare staff and patients, low pay for our nurses, dealing with our two tier health system and helping to reduce costs for patients and families in financial strain, ongoing bureaucracy, lack of accountability in senior management in hospital and national level among many issues.

But above all that, their inability to get more beds in particular in our icu's in our acute public hospital sector has now caught up with us. We may be throwing hundreds of millions a year to the HSE, but what is the actual return for this investment. The answer which is more of the same incompetence that has plagued our hospitals for decades now. Compare our situation to other European countries and in particular countries of our size and it paints a very disturbing picture.

I feel most sorry for our healthcare staff. Listening to negative news about the ongoing ills of a health system, which has been not fit for purpose for well over 2 decades now. I might be accused of negative coverage myself, but nurses and doctors know for themselves that they are dealing with a system which hasn't served the best interests for patients and staff for a long time now.

For those reasons that I explained in the above, any criticism of the likes of Dr Glynn, Professor Nolan is a bit rich if you are blaming anyone for imposing more restrictive measures to dealing with the rise of the coronavirus here. It's the failure of the two biggest political parties Ff and Fg and their inadequate capabilities in resolving the ongoing issues within our health service, and those issues still remain despite countless money been thrown to address the problem.

Anyone screaming the narrative that "we must keep reopening the country no matter what" and other comments along similar lines, are in my opinion giving the government a free pass here on their handling of all matters linked to health.

On a separate note I found one particular comment this evening regarding older people and the virus as disgusting. I know that comment has been reported but having seen my 70 year old mother die last month, albeit not covid related, how could anyone dismiss our wonderful veterans who have worked all their lives, paid their taxes, minding their grandchildren and in recent times, now having to shield or cocoon in their homes of residence or in nursing homes and places of long stay throughout covid and not seeing visitors or family and relatives. And not to mention the countless amount of magical and wonderful memories that mammy, daddy, granny and grandad you have shared with also

To me I think that anyone who tries to invoke language like "it's only older people that suffer from covid" is absolutely not living in the world and anyone on public forums like boards or in the open air in general proclaiming that sort of rhetoric, should face significant consequences and should be called out for such provocative language. Shameful stuff.