Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 16-09-2020 12:55PM

MadYaker wrote: »

I haven't seen anyone saying that.

I did, based on figures posted in this very thread. Don't tell me someone posted inaccurate figures on here?! I'd be shocked :eek: Or...are the figures actually accurate but they don't suit the narrative? One side will argue one way and the other will argue the other, as appears to be the nature of this discussion.

Penfailed · 16-09-2020 12:58PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No, survive is more appropriate.

Eh? You're only surviving at the moment? What would you like to be doing that you can't currently?
I was out for a meal last night and went to the cinema afterwards. I plan to head to the pub on Friday week. I'm living, not surviving.

16-09-2020 01:00PM

MadYaker wrote: »

The only hysteria is in your head I'm afraid. There is a difference between going against the scientific consensus (usually includes research to back it up) and deliberately spreading nonsense ideas that have already been proven to be false.

Plenty of doctors deliberately spreading nonsense in the opposite direction (100,000 will die etc.), they won't be made to resign though, will they?

16-09-2020 01:01PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Really, Are you sure you are looking at the right plan?

You can't have Christmas dinner with parents and 2 siblings who live in different households at level 1 in that plan. The best case scenario.

Yeah its pretty ****ing restrictive, and its the plan for 6-9 months.

FintanMcluskey · 16-09-2020 01:05PM

Multipass wrote: »

If it’s already been discussed here I apologise, missed it.
I’ve just seen on the news that Dr Feeley has resigned, and I’m horrified.
The hysteria has become so political that challenging it is a resigning offence? Since when have doctors been required to have a consensus, medicine doesn’t work that way - ideas and convention should always be able to be challenged. We’ve collectively gone mad, this is ridiculous. I’m scared of the direction society is going, the danger goes far beyond any mild respiratory virus which is moderately dangerous to the elderly.

Ah its terrible.

Democracy has passed on. RIP.

Its now just a disgusting descent into a police state

MadYaker · 16-09-2020 01:05PM

AdamD wrote: »

You can't have Christmas dinner with parents and 2 siblings who live in different households at level 1 in that plan. The best case scenario.

Yeah its pretty ****ing restrictive, and its the plan for 6-9 months.

Level one allows for up to 10 people from 3 different households?

AdamD wrote: »

Plenty of doctors deliberately spreading nonsense in the opposite direction (100,000 will die etc.), they won't be made to resign though, will they?

I suspect your definition of nonsense and mine are different. Has any doctor ever predicted that coronavirus WILL kill 100,000 people in Ireland? I doubt it.

16-09-2020 01:06PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Level one allows for up to 10 people from 3 different households?

Yep do the maths

Parents - 1 household
Me - 1 household
Sibling A - 1 household
Sibling B - 1 household

Not allowed for 6-9 months apparently

16-09-2020 01:06PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Eh? You're only surviving at the moment? What would you like to be doing that you can't currently?
I was out for a meal last night and went to the cinema afterwards. I plan to head to the pub on Friday week. I'm living, not surviving.

Long list of things but perhaps Adams post above sums it up really.

Some counties have very little Covid and are not level 1. So I doubt many will get there. Certainly not on the east.

MadYaker · 16-09-2020 01:08PM

AdamD wrote: »

Yep do the maths

Parents - 1 household
Me - 1 household
Sibling A - 1 household
Sibling B - 1 household

Not allowed for 6-9 months apparently

Sorry I understood your post as 2 parents living together and then 2 siblings from 2 other households, didn't realise you were the 5th from a 4th household.

You think the Gardai will be kicking down doors and doing headcounts on xmas eve? Id say you'll manage.

Benimar · 16-09-2020 01:09PM

AdamD wrote: »

Yep do the maths

Parents - 1 household
Me - 1 household
Sibling A - 1 household
Sibling B - 1 household

Not allowed for 6-9 months apparently

Well, one of the households will be in their own home. They can have up to 10 other people from 3 other households visit, so you’re sorted:pac:

Penfailed · 16-09-2020 01:10PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its now just a disgusting descent into a police state

Ah! It's only descending into a police state now, is it? For weeks (months?) now you have been saying (incorrectly) that we are living in a police state. I really, really urge you to look up the definition of a police state. You may be surprised to find that it's somewhat different from what you seem to think it is.

*I know the chances are that you posted that to bait me. It worked...again. It will possibly work the next time too.

16-09-2020 01:12PM

Benimar wrote: »

Well, one of the households will be in their own home. They can have up to 10 other people from 3 other households visit, so you’re sorted:pac:

I guarantee if we asked the ministers about that separately we’d get a bunch of different answers.

Penfailed · 16-09-2020 01:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Long list of things but perhaps Adams post above sums it up really.

No, it doesn't really sum it up. What makes you think that you are just surviving rather than living? What are YOU (not some other random poster) missing out on now?

weldoninhio · 16-09-2020 01:16PM

Allinall wrote: »

Was he I’ll when he left his house?

Does a healthy person cough and splutter? Like Donnelly was on the radio before he headed to work??

Micky 32 · 16-09-2020 01:22PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Eh? You're only surviving at the moment? What would you like to be doing that you can't currently?
I was out for a meal last night and went to the cinema afterwards. I plan to head to the pub on Friday week. I'm living, not surviving.

Your post is proof that we are not all in this together. I have family abroad that i regularly see. It was one of the things in life i really looked forward to. It was part of my world. Because of this virus that is all gone and i’m worried i might not see them again. Some are ederly time, isn’t on their side either.

Captain_Crash · 16-09-2020 01:24PM

Allinall wrote: »

Was he I’ll when he left his house?

He coughed his way trough radio interviews yesterday and also at the announcement of the plan. The left the house bit was a figure of speech but its safe to assume that he knew he was unwell at an earlier point in the day.

Idbatterim · 16-09-2020 01:24PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

This post is proof that we are not all in this together. I have family abroad that i regularly see. It was one of the things in life i really looked forward to. It was part of my world. Because of this virus that is all gone and i’m worried i might not see them again. Some are ederly time, isn’t on their side either.

so why dont you go over and visit them?

MadYaker · 16-09-2020 01:24PM

First time I've seen someone put a figure on this but Dr. Colm Henry says up to one third of the Irish population would be considered part of the high risk group. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/doctor-resigns-from-hospital-group-after-comments-on-draconian-covid-19-curbs-1.4356244

“It would also be virtually impossible to protect vulnerable people, since a large proportion, as many as one in three, of the Irish population are in a high-risk group,”

One third is kind of what I was thinking it would be. Obesity, diabetes, high blood pressure, asthma are all relatively common these days and across a wide spectrum of ages. Part of the reason that doctors comments were considered irresponsible. It's not really possible to cocoon one out of every 3 people in the country and still keep the country functioning.

Idbatterim · 16-09-2020 01:25PM

the only thing that will steer the bloody Titanic towards safety, is a serious financial hit this budget! See what the clappy seals think, if the welfare budget is cut, PS pay etc :rolleyes:

Penfailed · 16-09-2020 01:25PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

This post is proof that we are not all in this together. I have family abroad that i regularly see. It was one of the things in life i really looked forward to. It was part of my world. Because of this virus that is all gone and i’m worried i might not see them again. Some are ederly time, isn’t on their side either.

What's stopping you? People are currently still travelling all over the world. Some people here wanted the airports shut down to stop the Americans coming...it didn't happen. If it's 'part of your world' I don't know what's stopping you. Does it mean that you are just surviving though?

16-09-2020 01:27PM

Penfailed wrote: »

No, it doesn't really sum it up. What makes you think that you are just surviving rather than living? What are YOU (not some other random poster) missing out on now?

Concerts - Several cancelled this year and likely little to none next year.

Sports - Like to go to some GAA games and even Premier league occasionally.

Group hanging out - Due to the restrictions on house visitors and in pubs, cant meet a few friends for drinks. Don’t have time or money to constantly meet individually.

Spontaneous - Can’t really do anything spontaneously anymore. And I’m not big on planning things.

Retail - Would like to be able to meet with family and look round the shops without masks, visors and sanitizing every 5 mins

Weddings - Would like to go to my mates wedding next year without having to wear a mask and be restricted to a table all day/night. Sounds like a pretty awful wedding.

Would like to be able to go to a hotel and use the pool and sauna with no hassle. Hasn’t been the case thus far.

That is just a few things off the very top of my head.

And all levels of this 9 month plan contain restrictions. And there is no mention of what comes next. Which we all know will be more restrictions.

Pretty grim future ahead for lots of people.

MadYaker · 16-09-2020 01:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Concerts - Several cancelled this year and likely little to none next year.

Sports - Like to go to some GAA games and even Premier league occasionally.

Group hanging out - Due to the restrictions on house visitors and in pubs, cant meet a few friends for drinks. Don’t have time or money to constantly meet individually.

Spontaneous - Can’t really do anything spontaneously anymore. And I’m not big on planning things.

Retail - Would like to be able to meet with family and look round the shops without masks, visors and sanitizing every 5 mins

Weddings - Would like to go to my mates wedding next year without having to wear a mask and be restricted to a table all day/night. Sounds like a pretty awful wedding.

Would like to be able to go to a hotel and use the pool and sauna with no hassle. Hasn’t been the case thus far.

That is just a few things off the very top of my head.

And all levels of this 9 month plan contain restrictions. And there is no mention of what comes next. Which we all know will be more restrictions.

Pretty grim future ahead for lots of people.

Well if you're not prepared to adjust your expectations, wear the mask and get on with it then yeah, you will be pretty miserable.

I'm sure you're mate will understand when you tell him you can't be arsed coming to his big day because you might have to wear a mask :rolleyes:

Your attitude is more of a problem than the restrictions.

Penfailed · 16-09-2020 01:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Concerts - Several cancelled this year and likely little to none next year.

Sports - Like to go to some GAA games and even Premier league occasionally.

Group hanging out - Due to the restrictions on house visitors and in pubs, cant meet a few friends for drinks. Don’t have time or money to constantly meet individually.

Spontaneous - Can’t really do anything spontaneously anymore. And I’m not big on planning things.

Retail - Would like to be able to meet with family and look round the shops without masks, visors and sanitizing every 5 mins

Weddings - Would like to go to my mates wedding next year without having to wear a mask and be restricted to a table all day/night. Sounds like a pretty awful wedding.

Would like to be able to go to a hotel and use the pool and sauna with no hassle. Hasn’t been the case thus far.

That is just a few things off the very top of my head.

And all levels of this 9 month plan contain restrictions. And there is no mention of what comes next. Which we all know will be more restrictions.

Pretty grim future ahead for lots of people.

Most of these things are occasional events. Does that mean you spent the weeks in between these events in 2019 just surviving, or were you living?

My point is, you are using very emotive language that is really quite baseless.

Idbatterim · 16-09-2020 01:33PM

the wedding farce is comedy! 50 guests or even one hundred. Turfed out of the bar at 11:30 for the fortune they will want? you'd want your head examined to book a wedding before this farce is over!

as for going to one! LOL! I wouldnt even be arsed drinking if its not miles away, just drive there and home that day...

Micky 32 · 16-09-2020 01:33PM

Idbatterim wrote: »

so why dont you go over and visit them?

Visitors to the USA are currently banned from Europe.

Penfailed · 16-09-2020 01:34PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Visitors to the USA are currently banned from Europe.

So, nothing to do with our restrictions then?

16-09-2020 01:34PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Well if you're not prepared to adjust your expectations, wear the mask and get on with it then yeah, you will be pretty miserable.

I'm sure you're mate will understand when you tell him you can't be arsed coming to his big day because you might have to wear a mask :rolleyes:

Your attitude is more of a problem than the restrictions.

Did I mention somewhere that I wouldn’t go?

MadYaker · 16-09-2020 01:34PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Visitors to the USA are currently banned from Europe.

People who visit the USA are banned from Europe? That's new to me.

Penfailed · 16-09-2020 01:37PM

MadYaker wrote: »

People who visit the USA are banned from Europe? That's new to me.

I read the post as meaning that people from Europe are banned from visiting the US...? I don't know either way. It's got nothing to do with our restrictions though, which the OP intimated that he was just surviving under.

Micky 32 · 16-09-2020 01:40PM

Penfailed wrote: »

So, nothing to do with our restrictions then?

I would have thought no entry to the USA is a restriction.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings