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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    If Dubliners arent allowed travel outside Dublin at the moment, I think it is safe to say this isn't going to change for the next few months.

    Is that really sustainable? Did anybody think this through?

    In terms of population, a rule like this will hit other counties hard in terms of loss of travel.
    I'm sure there are many many like me that now may have to cancel holidays elsewhere in the country that we booked because we were asked to staycation, and this will represent a huge loss to the local businesses.

    Beginning to wonder are we really 'living with the virus' or still in perpetual suppression until a vaccine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Great to see some people are guided by their own moral compass.
    We need more like him. A real community leader.

    https://twitter.com/TerenceR78/status/1305980597001650177?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Those elderly people have lived through many threats and dangers and are probably prepared to enjoy the rest of their lives as best they can despite perceived risks. I have some elderly relatives and the general attitude amongst them is that they absolutely resent being referred to as ‘vulnerable’. One in particular told me that the “NPHET shower” should be thrown out and replaced by people who are a minimum of 70 years old.
    I think that unless you are of a certain age you just do not understand the way the elderly view illness and death. They realise that they are going to die relatively soon of something or other. In the meantime they just want to enjoy whatever time is left for them, be it long or short.
    Making their lives a misery in the hopes that things can return to ‘normal’ sometime in the future does not make much sense to them. The way the elderly are being treated by society over the last few months would, in pre-Covid times, be rightly regarded as elder abuse.

    Elderly are more vulnerable to to the virus, this is just a scientific fact. Being “insulted” by a scientific fact is silly. An awful lot of people Seem to be using their emotional reaction to information as a way of venting their subjective leanings.

    If you are elderly and don’t care about your health do what you want. But dont presume all elderly people represent your views. Also remember if you end up getting COVID because you aren’t careful you are more likely to stress the public health system.

    It really is remarkable how selfish and impatient people are with regards to this. It’s only been a few months and you’d swear we were locked in our homes listening out for planes to drop bombs on us. To the majority, it’s a case of being asked to reduce your luxuries for an extended period of time. Right now people can still meet other people and go out, just in a prohibited fashion.

    No doubt somebody will take a “you can’t say that” approach to some of my comments; but I can say it because it’s objectively accurate. What I do and how I manage myself during this pandemic may have a significant impact on others, that’s just a fact. If I choose to suit myself because I’m only interested in what suits me, I’m just being selfish and lieing to myself to make me feel like anything I do or decide to do is justified.

    Most of us at some stage justify whatever we want to do when it suits us but this is a national level emergency. It’s just because it’s painfully slow moving , that it can be hard to understand that what we do today and the measures brought in today are to help us in a few weeks. The numbers today do not necessarily reflect where we will be in a few weeks.

    Put what you think about them aside for the moment, The decisions being made by government are not perfect , nor should we expect perfection. (They can do much better, just making a general point). They are trying to balance economic and health issues , which does somewhat explain the disparity of measures across counties and in things like schools/airports etc.

    If everybody just took care of themselves and were responsible we wouldn’t need as many measures, it really is that simple.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Littleredcar


    Boggles wrote: »
    So people need to get on with the nuts and bolts of life by operating in a vacuum.

    But they can still go to the pub?

    Do I get the babysitter to look in the window at the kids, or how does that work?

    They are not going to pubs now and it’s increasing its increasing because of parties . Have you seen an inner city funeral lately lots of marquees out on roads and large groups
    One birthday party near temple street recently in courtyard of flats for roughly 800 people
    Back lane ways to houses kitted out with patio heaters and hired bars and garden furniture for groups up to 100


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Great to see some people are guided by their own moral compass.
    We need more like him. A real community leader.

    https://twitter.com/TerenceR78/status/1305980597001650177?s=20

    I'd have more of a problem that the principal of a school types like that!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Level 2&3 measures are really just pissing in the wind with cases increasing at the rate they are. People aren't on board with them, so it'll continue to increase and we'll see a phase 4 very soon thanks to early hesitation.

    If they just suppressed the virus properly now, we'd have some breathing room in time for Christmas, the big spending period but now we'll have it out of control at that time of year and the economy will take an even bigger hit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Littleredcar


    I do laugh at the suggestion of calling the guards everytime someone sees more than 6 people together, what do people expect an instant response?

    Those calls go to the bottom of the pile, you'll be lucky to see a guard for a few hours. "We'll send a car when its available"

    I’m not talking about the 6 people parties I’ve talking very large very big Gatherings and the majority of people would abide by the no visitors as it would be obvious when neighbours see cars arriving with guests . Never underestimate power of neighbours looking down their noses


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    The PR team did well throwing the Donnelly covid issue into the mix to distract from the shambles of the 5 Level Plan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    petes wrote: »
    I'd have more of a problem that the principal of a school types like that!

    Did you know that twitter limits the amount of characters you can include in one tweet? I guess we all have different priorities.

    You'll be glad to know that they've invented a spell checker. You need to be close enough to the word and it corrects for you. Amazing. Spelling tests should allow you to get within a spell checkers recognition for spelling tests to be an efficient use of time these days but I digress.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,500 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The PR team did well throwing the Donnelly covid issue into the mix to distract from the shambles of the 5 Level Plan.

    It added to the shambles, it didn't distract.

    I can guarantee you those bunch of absolute clowns did exactly the opposite of what the PR team told them yesterday.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    petes wrote: »
    I'd have more of a problem that the principal of a school types like that!

    Pedantic Pete. It's twitter, hardly the forum to write like Shakespeare.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Leo is on the hard hitting current affairs program dermot and Dave next.
    Today
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,991 ✭✭✭growleaves


    It’s only been a few months

    It's been presented by media/gov as years-long restrictions at the very least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    McGrath on Radio now saying people can travel into Dublin!!

    Oh jeez


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    Boggles wrote: »
    So people need to get on with the nuts and bolts of life by operating in a vacuum.

    But they can still go to the pub?

    Do I get the babysitter to look in the window at the kids, or how does that work?

    I presume seen as visitors from 1 house are allowed, the babysitter can come in


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 730 ✭✭✭gral6


    Sweden did not have a lockdown and they are now on the green list. Which only proves that the lockdown is good at feck all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Dubs are the new Italian rugby fans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Did you know that twitter limits the amount of characters you can include in one tweet? I guess we all have different priorities.

    You'll be glad to know that they've invented a spell checker. You need to be close enough to the word and it corrects for you. Amazing. Spelling tests should allow you to get within a spell checkers recognition for spelling tests to be an efficient use of time these days but I digress.


    I don't use Twitter because it's a complete mess and full of arseholes (more so than most other social media). Each to their own I suppose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    They need to restrict all visitors in Dublin see if it makes a difference so no visitors to private homes except for caring purposes . People can go to controlled environments like restaurants and even dare I say it wet pubs and no housekhold visits unless outdoors .
    And people should be bloody reported if they have visitors and parties every one has a social responsibility to behave and to do what’s right, if you see a party don’t over look it call the guards

    In your dreams. That horse has bolted. It's amazing how some people just can't see that the herd is moving on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,446 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Varadkar on Today FM saying whatever NPHET give as advice on Thursday will go to the new oversight group because as NPHET he says are great scientists they "don't know how to run an economy" so the advice needs to be filtered with social and economic considerations.

    Cabinet meets again next week as usual


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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,044 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    McGrath on Radio now saying people can travel into Dublin!!
    Well they might have to get to work or an appointment. Lots of people travel into Dublin - that's why the "LOCKDOWN!" scenario isn't viable right now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,500 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Varadkar on Today FM saying whatever NPHET give as advice on Thursday will go to the new oversight group because as NPHET he says are great scientists they "don't know how to run an economy" so the advice needs to be filtered with social and economic considerations

    So filtered science.

    This will end well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,814 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Lol.. what? For trying to make a living?

    If you want to cocoon then cocoon, but some people here really need a reality check. The debt is already going to subject the next generation to even more debt slavery and the endless borrowed cash is running out imminently.

    Learn to live with this thing, there is no other choice.

    You can’t learn to ‘live’ if people are dying. Health services being crippled.. for everyone still with non covid health issues.

    Making a living ? If manner they are doing so is contrary to restrictions and health guidelines then fûck them... what they are saying to the rest of us is fûck us they are going to get their end no matter the cost...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    They are not going to pubs now and it’s increasing its increasing because of parties . Have you seen an inner city funeral lately lots of marquees out on roads and large groups
    One birthday party near temple street recently in courtyard of flats for roughly 800 people
    Back lane ways to houses kitted out with patio heaters and hired bars and garden furniture for groups up to 100

    Yep. The herd has moved on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,500 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I presume seen as visitors from 1 house are allowed, the babysitter can come in

    The user listed his own restrictions, not the governments.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 466 ✭✭DangerScouse


    Varadkar on Today FM saying whatever NPHET give as advice on Thursday will go to the new oversight group because as NPHET he says are great scientists they "don't know how to run an economy" so the advice needs to be filtered with social and economic considerations.

    Cabinet meets again next week as usual

    Throwing NPHET under the bus once again. He really is a very unlikeable person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Boggles wrote: »
    So filtered science.

    This will end well.

    Filtered science is all around you. It's the way we live. There is nothing unusual about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Varadkar on Today FM saying whatever NPHET give as advice on Thursday will go to the new oversight group because as NPHET he says are great scientists they "don't know how to run an economy" so the advice needs to be filtered with social and economic considerations.

    Cabinet meets again next week as usual

    Seems like a fairly balanced approach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,446 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Boggles wrote: »
    So filtered science.

    This will end well.

    Well he's talking now about any restrictions such as Kildare on Dublin would be 10 times worse economically so that's why they don't want to go that way. It would be the end of many businesses.

    Everything needs to be balanced


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,236 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Are you sure about that?
    I had a look at that and similar graphs. It's not immediately obvious how they defined a critical care bed but other stats I found, hint that you are correct. I can edit the post previously to remove the incorrect info if you wish.


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