Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

s1ippy wrote: »

And giving Gardaí more powers only comes in at level 1. Restaurants and cafes do takeaways and allow outdoor seating only in phase 3

They changed that text on restaurants at level 3 yesterday. Level 4 now specifics outdoor and takeaway only.

Level 3 just says open with additional measures. According to the restaurants association those additional measures are still to be fully worked out

ixoy wrote: »

You'd be closing restaurants and cafés (probably, it's a tad unclear) so you'd be seen to be stopping more places where people can congregate. They're not the issue as you've said - it's people mixing in households for the most. I'm not optimistic people will limit their local social contacts appropriately.

Restaurants, bars with food and cafes are still open under level 3...just with 'added restrictions', which I assume would be meeting with less people from less households.

As you say, the main issue is the unregulated mingling within households. The wet bars remaining closed are only going to promote the house party!

The narrative being peddled that it is house parties and people taking the píss that is the main driver of the reseeding of the virus is complete and utter horseshít.

What is driving the uptick in cases is life. It's manifesting itself in homes because that is where people live.

We are being told, get back to work, get into the pubs, go on a staycation, get into full schools, consume, consume, consume.

All that can't happen in a vacuum, it takes 10s of millions of contacts daily for the populous just to function and exist.

There was between 600-900 infections of unknown community transmission in the past fortnight.

The BS being peddled is every single place is the safest where we consume or learn.

So where is all this unknown transmission happening? Petrol pump handles?

Dublin is the canary in the coal mine because of population and density, the virus is reseeding nationwide. It's a simple fact.

42 levels of a BS document or hiding NPHET doesn't change any of that.

The one hope is we dispense with this absolute clusterfúck style of pandemic management before wave 3.

morebabies wrote: »

I don't know if it's just me but I know a lot of elderly people who are refusing to follow any guidelines, not wearing a mask, not restricting their movements or social contacts, not social distancing when they meet friends and the thought of being cocooned again is just not going to cut it with them.

I am in that age group , every single person I know in my family , friends and neighbours are wearing masks, being very careful and definetely distancing . We have done all along and we continue to do as asked

Eod100 wrote: »

It's a way for government to dilute or outright reject NPHET's recommendations while having political cover. Think NPHET will likely still publicly releasing their letters anyway so will be paper trail.

I hope that NPHET do still release their advice so that we can see how much of it the Govt decide to follow.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

This has moved beyond a public health crisis and is now also an economic and social crisis. So yes, having different voices at the table at a very senior level should ensure that measures are palatable and indeed should help support a stable Government.

Social and economic pain increases with instances of the virus. The general populous are not Lemmings.

Politics before science never works during a pandemic.

How many examples citing this particular virus do you need since March?

morebabies wrote: »

I don't know if it's just me but I know a lot of elderly people who are refusing to follow any guidelines, not wearing a mask, not restricting their movements or social contacts, not social distancing when they meet friends and the thought of being cocooned again is just not going to cut it with them.

Those elderly people have lived through many threats and dangers and are probably prepared to enjoy the rest of their lives as best they can despite perceived risks. I have some elderly relatives and the general attitude amongst them is that they absolutely resent being referred to as ‘vulnerable’. One in particular told me that the “NPHET shower” should be thrown out and replaced by people who are a minimum of 70 years old.
I think that unless you are of a certain age you just do not understand the way the elderly view illness and death. They realise that they are going to die relatively soon of something or other. In the meantime they just want to enjoy whatever time is left for them, be it long or short.
Making their lives a misery in the hopes that things can return to ‘normal’ sometime in the future does not make much sense to them. The way the elderly are being treated by society over the last few months would, in pre-Covid times, be rightly regarded as elder abuse.

Boggles wrote: »

So NPHET's advice will be filtered by a separate group before it reaches the cabinet.

Irish Governments solution to everything, throw another layer of bureaucracy in there.

You need multiple layers so the blame can't be correctly assigned to anyone.

Boggles wrote: »

Social and economic pain increases with instances of the virus. The general populous are not Lemmings.

Politics before science never works during a pandemic.

How many examples citing this particular virus do you need since March?

I would say the lack of joined up thinking has been a Far bigger problem and is why we are going backwards.

For example, NPHET and D/Health have been floating ideas which are not legally possible (this has led to mixed messaging)!but the senior civil servants in high level group will be able to advise on what is possible and the steps needed and the timeframe to do it. They can have their Ministers primed for the Cabinet meeting including timelines for legislation etc.

This is how Government normally works - expert group, senior officials group, cabinet sub committee and Cabinet. Better to get good and workable solutions rather than a perception of flying kites and lead balloons.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

This is how Government normally works - expert group, senior officials group, cabinet sub committee and Cabinet.

Yes, and that is why we have stumbled from one crisis to another for the last 30 years.

And when it is time for culpability when things títs up, there is so many cogs in the wheel. It's impossible.

The exact same thing is currently happening now.

billybonkers wrote: »

So what exactly is in Level 3?

It's not as bad as 3.5 but not as good as 2.5.

They need to restrict all visitors in Dublin see if it makes a difference so no visitors to private homes except for caring purposes . People can go to controlled environments like restaurants and even dare I say it wet pubs and no housekhold visits unless outdoors .
And people should be bloody reported if they have visitors and parties every one has a social responsibility to behave and to do what’s right, if you see a party don’t over look it call the guards

If Dubliners arent allowed travel outside Dublin at the moment, I think it is safe to say this isn't going to change for the next few months.

Is that really sustainable? Did anybody think this through?

Littleredcar wrote: »

They need to restrict all visitors in Dublin see if it makes a difference so no visitors to private homes except for caring purposes . People can go to controlled environments like restaurants and even dare I say it wet pubs and no housekhold visits unless outdoors .
And people should be bloody reported if they have visitors and parties every one has a social responsibility to behave and to do what’s right, if you see a party don’t over look it call the guards

Is that you Priti Patel?

If you think it's confusing now just wait til the storm warnings kick back into gear....

"So it's a status orange for Cork and Kerry who remain on Level 3, whereas it's a red warning to the rest of Munster who move down to Level 2, apart from Tipperary who are status yellow and on Level 4, people are advised not to leave their homes blah blah blah"