Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

mandrake04 · 16-09-2020 06:34AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

Some of the attitudes here are laughable, or they would be if they were no so absurd, and that's relating to some posters here and to some of the more laughable political contributions that are coming out of the woodwork.

Melbourne is almost 5 times larger than Dublin, the population there is near enough the same as the entire Island here, and the lockdown they have there at present has been eased a little, but for a number of weeks, there was an almost total curfew between 20:00 and 05:00, with very few exception, only one person per day is allowed out for essential shopping, and most other places are completely closed, including bars etc, and they have been operating with a 5Km limit on movement, initially for 1 hour per day, now increased to 2 hours per day, and that can be split into 2 trips out.

if you want to see how tight it's been, have a look

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/how-draconian-are-melbourne-s-coronavirus-lockdown-measures-1.5105833

They are starting to very slowly reduce the lock down now, as the cases are starting to reduce, and their figures are remarkably similar to Ireland's figures for Dublin, the difference is that their peak happened in July, we're only ramping up towards a new peak here at the moment, so we're up to 6 weeks behind them, and the relevant leadership here is dithering, ducking and weaving in all directions, and clearly nowhere near on top of what's happening on the ground, despite the clear warnings they are being given by the medical guidance.

from another site

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/averages-easing-restrictions-covid-19

Metropolitan Melbourne 694 total cases over the last 14 days, with a case number of 49.6 per 100,000.

There are 1,040 cases currently active in Victoria. 18,079 people have recovered.

118 people are in hospital. This includes 11 patients in intensive care.

IF needed, Victoria State has a capacity of 695 intensive care beds and the capacity to rapidly expand that number if cases surge.

ICU bed capacity in Ireland increased by 39 per cent from 255 at baseline to 354 beds during the pandemic peak, according to the National Office of Clinical Audit.

On that basis, and given that the Irish system was close to breaking during the first wave, I find it worrying that the relevant leaders seem paralysed by indecision when it's become clear that the numbers are only going in one (wrong) direction.

They are seeing the figures decrease after the peak of around 700 cases per day in mid July.

Without wishing to be overly negative, anyone here that thinks we're not at risk of significant problems here, based on the figures that are being reported on a daily basis is living in a very delusional position.

Melbourne has seen close on 19000 cases, and 729 deaths.

Many of the figures being reported are so similar to what's happening here, it's scary, and they have been in severe lock down for nearly 6 weeks.

Also very interesting is the figures that are being posted to the public domain on a daily basis, where the number of tests and active cases by area are being posted, so to put that in local terms, they are giving result for areas, so you can see how many cases are happening in the equivalent of Dun Laoghaire, or Sandymount, or Clontarf, or Malahide, or where ever, and they are also giving specific geographic details of where outbreaks are occurring, by location, or company name.

Looks to me like we need to learn very rapidly from what they have done and are doing in Melbourne, and get similar reporting going here, as only when people can see which specific areas or locations are the hot spots will people then (hopefully) start to respond to that information in ways that will help to contain this pandemic.

Somebody show me where I am reading it wrong, from what I am seeing, we're in trouble, we just haven't taken it on board yet.

Yeah I fully agree with you mate, Melbourne is the most European of all the cities in OZ. It’s weather is also Shyte especially in winter although it’s not as bad as Ireland it crap compared to Sydney and Brisbane. This I believe definitely added to what happened in Melbourne ....along with their very leftist attitude to the Hotel quarantine. Australia has a reserve of 10million tests and are doing 400K per week, Melbourne draconian restrictions, this virus is a bastard to get rid off once you get it in. To get rid of you need take the gloves off, burying head in the sand not going solve the problem.

Plenty of good info here https://covidlive.com.au/

Sydney is only 800km up the road and is a at equivalent of Irish new Level 1 since June, Pubs, Cinemas, Gyms... even Brothels all open since early July. Current restrictions are 1.5m, no more than 20 people in your house and restrictions on large gatherings. Life is pretty normal so far, NSW population of 7.5m, 50 deaths, 4000 cases which half were travel related, ie Hotel quarantine and cruise ships. Weather been good in Sydney winter only really lasted about 6-7 weeks and today is 28C and breezy. Hopefully between now and when it starts getting really hot this virus can have its ass kicked and Australia has done a deal with AZ/Oxford to produce 80m of vaccine locally rather than source it from other markets they already stocking up on glass vials and materials etc.

DangerScouse · 16-09-2020 06:56AM

GT89 wrote: »

Including Level 5 restrictions which is a lockdown like back in April would be treason if it was to be allowed. There is absolutely no way should go back to those measures the government should not even contemplate it. Pubs in Dublin should all agree to open on the 21st they can't strip every pub of it's licence just like they cannot arrest us all.

The general public have a civic duty to all future generations to disobey these measures introduced by this bunch of traitors.

Worst post ever.

DangerScouse · 16-09-2020 07:01AM

s1ippy wrote: »

It sounds like you're being responsible and looking after yourself, that's all anyone can really do in this situation. The sentiment in the news reports interviewing people from Dublin mirrored the vast majority here, people would rather there was a movement towards restrictions now rather than to have to wait and do it for longer in two or three days.

The problem is we have a reactive instead of a proactive government. Not putting Dublin into at least level 3 yesterday (level 4 ideally) was criminal negligence imo. It's like the government and a fair whack of our population have their heads firmly buried in the sand and are just hoping the virus goes away.

It won't and the situation will get worse.

Happydays2020 · 16-09-2020 07:07AM

Polar101 wrote: »

There is no lockdown, they won't stop the trains. They didn't even do that when there was a lockdown, so why would they do it now? It makes no sense.

During normal times there are social problems on the Dart at weekends particularly due to drinking. This is unpleasant for the vast majority of other Dart users. With pubs in Dublin closed and social media highlighting that. pubs will be open in Bray (from Monday) there is a strong risk of both social problems and overcrowding on the Dart to and from Bray. Maybe proactive is better.

As regards restrictions to the DART, these have been periodic for the last 20 years with engineering works including out to Bray.

Paddygreen · 16-09-2020 07:22AM

Terrified of the Dart at this stage guys, I’m barely able even with two masks on.

stephenjmcd · 16-09-2020 07:24AM

GP in Castleknock on radio 1 this morning saying she's seen a big jump in requests for tests. However in the last week she's sent on around 60 people for tests, 2 positive results

stephenjmcd · 16-09-2020 07:26AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

During normal times there are social problems on the Dart at weekends particularly due to drinking. This is unpleasant for the vast majority of other Dart users. With pubs in Dublin closed and social media highlighting that. pubs will be open in Bray (from Monday) there is a strong risk of both social problems and overcrowding on the Dart to and from Bray. Maybe proactive is better.

As regards restrictions to the DART, these have been periodic for the last 20 years with engineering works including out to Bray.

Its simply not feasible to stop darts before the reach Bray or Greystones purely because you fear people might go out for a drink.

Simply put it won't happen for a number of reasons because in that case you just push everyone onto buses and you can't leave a town & county cut off from public transport. Where do you draw the line ?

Engineering works are generally carried out on Bank holiday weekends and extra buses do be put on, not possible at the moment so no comparison

Happydays2020 · 16-09-2020 07:27AM

DangerScouse wrote: »

The problem is we have a reactive instead of a proactive government. Not putting Dublin into at least level 3 yesterday (level 4 ideally) was criminal negligence imo. It's like the government and a fair whack of our population have their heads firmly buried in the sand and are just hoping the virus goes away.

It won't and the situation will get worse.

Is there a case for Level 5+ in Dublin and close schools also?

KillTheTories · 16-09-2020 07:27AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

Some of the attitudes here are laughable, or they would be if they were no so absurd, and that's relating to some posters here and to some of the more laughable political contributions that are coming out of the woodwork.

Melbourne is almost 5 times larger than Dublin, the population there is near enough the same as the entire Island here, and the lockdown they have there at present has been eased a little, but for a number of weeks, there was an almost total curfew between 20:00 and 05:00, with very few exception, only one person per day is allowed out for essential shopping, and most other places are completely closed, including bars etc, and they have been operating with a 5Km limit on movement, initially for 1 hour per day, now increased to 2 hours per day, and that can be split into 2 trips out.

if you want to see how tight it's been, have a look

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/how-draconian-are-melbourne-s-coronavirus-lockdown-measures-1.5105833

They are starting to very slowly reduce the lock down now, as the cases are starting to reduce, and their figures are remarkably similar to Ireland's figures for Dublin, the difference is that their peak happened in July, we're only ramping up towards a new peak here at the moment, so we're up to 6 weeks behind them, and the relevant leadership here is dithering, ducking and weaving in all directions, and clearly nowhere near on top of what's happening on the ground, despite the clear warnings they are being given by the medical guidance.

from another site

https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/averages-easing-restrictions-covid-19

Metropolitan Melbourne 694 total cases over the last 14 days, with a case number of 49.6 per 100,000.

There are 1,040 cases currently active in Victoria. 18,079 people have recovered.

118 people are in hospital. This includes 11 patients in intensive care.

IF needed, Victoria State has a capacity of 695 intensive care beds and the capacity to rapidly expand that number if cases surge.

ICU bed capacity in Ireland increased by 39 per cent from 255 at baseline to 354 beds during the pandemic peak, according to the National Office of Clinical Audit.

On that basis, and given that the Irish system was close to breaking during the first wave, I find it worrying that the relevant leaders seem paralysed by indecision when it's become clear that the numbers are only going in one (wrong) direction.

They are seeing the figures decrease after the peak of around 700 cases per day in mid July.

Without wishing to be overly negative, anyone here that thinks we're not at risk of significant problems here, based on the figures that are being reported on a daily basis is living in a very delusional position.

Melbourne has seen close on 19000 cases, and 729 deaths.

Many of the figures being reported are so similar to what's happening here, it's scary, and they have been in severe lock down for nearly 6 weeks.

Also very interesting is the figures that are being posted to the public domain on a daily basis, where the number of tests and active cases by area are being posted, so to put that in local terms, they are giving result for areas, so you can see how many cases are happening in the equivalent of Dun Laoghaire, or Sandymount, or Clontarf, or Malahide, or where ever, and they are also giving specific geographic details of where outbreaks are occurring, by location, or company name.

Looks to me like we need to learn very rapidly from what they have done and are doing in Melbourne, and get similar reporting going here, as only when people can see which specific areas or locations are the hot spots will people then (hopefully) start to respond to that information in ways that will help to contain this pandemic.

Somebody show me where I am reading it wrong, from what I am seeing, we're in trouble, we just haven't taken it on board yet.

People are in cloud cuckoo land with denial. Once the bodies pile up in the morgues like they did in italy and people choke to death on ventilators they'll wake up. It's a ****ing disaster

Piehead · 16-09-2020 07:28AM

Could Dublin skip level 3 and go onto 4 immediately ?

stephenjmcd · 16-09-2020 07:31AM

Piehead wrote: »

Could Dublin skip level 3 and go onto 4 immediately ?

Unlikely, 3 seems to be what NPHET want and its probably what they'll get eventually.

4 shuts down the vast majority of businesses and they just won't do that given the economic importance of Dublin. For every €100 generated in the state €43 is generated through Dublin

Paddygreen · 16-09-2020 07:32AM

KillTheTories wrote: »

People are in cloud cuckoo land with denial. Once the bodies pile up in the morgues like they did in italy and people choke to death on ventilators they'll wake up. It's a ****ing disaster

110%. Mass graves and total chaos on the horizon. I am petrified that people are not taking the sheer terror of the situation seriously. If the government doesn’t lock me down I am going to do it myself.

mirrorwall14 · 16-09-2020 07:36AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Is there a case for Level 5+ in Dublin and close schools also?

Schools never close apparently. Even in level 5. So we won’t be allowed go beyond 5km. Except for the million kids and parents on the move to schools every morning and afternoon.....

Wanderer78 · 16-09-2020 07:39AM

mirrorwall14 wrote:

Schools never close apparently. Even in level 5. So we wonâ€™t be allowed go beyond 5km. Except for the million kids and parents on the move to schools every morning and afternoon.....

We must ask the kids what are their special powers of fending off this virus, and maybe it's a good idea us adults go back to school, it seems to be the only safe place to be!

Happydays2020 · 16-09-2020 07:39AM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Schools never close apparently. Even in level 5. So we won’t be allowed go beyond 5km. Except for the million kids and parents on the move to schools every morning and afternoon.....

I cannot understand why this cannot happen. You cannot take such a religious position in a pandemic. Especially as a far less dangerous religious position is being taken for other premises/behaviour.

mirrorwall14 · 16-09-2020 07:41AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

We must ask the kids what are their special powers of fending off this virus, and maybe it's a good idea us adults go back to school, it seems to be the only safe place to be!

You are telling me. I’m a teacher. The difference between the procedures in my workplace and everyone else’s particularly the cabinet are extreme. Suspected case? I won’t be told. I certainly wouldn’t be sent to teach from home (we are set up for google classroom and are 1:1 iPads). Confirmed case? I still may not be told. And even if I am told then I may not be deemed close enough in the classroom to be a contact so sure carry on. Oh and I’m not allowed tell anyone else..

They shut down cabinet for a suspected case. The double standards

KillTheTories · 16-09-2020 07:43AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

110%. Mass graves and total chaos on the horizon. I am petrified that people are not taking the sheer terror of the situation seriously. If the government doesn’t lock me down I am going to do it myself.

I wouldn't blame you paddy. Going by what's on here stupidity is as contagious as covid. And as fatal.

Wanderer78 · 16-09-2020 07:44AM

mirrorwall14 wrote:

You are telling me. Iâ€™m a teacher. The difference between the procedures in my workplace and everyone elseâ€™s particularly the cabinet are extreme. Suspected case? I wonâ€™t be told. I certainly wouldnâ€™t be sent to teach from home (we are set up for google classroom and are 1:1 iPads). Confirmed case? I still may not be told. And even if I am told then I may not be deemed close enough in the classroom to be a contact so sure carry on. Oh and Iâ€™m not allowed tell anyone else..

Ah you're one of the chosen ones, you're so lucky! Sounds like teaching is almost as dangerous as nursing now!

kippy · 16-09-2020 07:44AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Was he tested for the flu, or the common cold? Or another viral infection? He may not have Covid which is great but if he has any other virus he should not be in work. Sure it could be Covid-20.

While this may be a bit of fun....there's a serious point in it. I know of a child who was tested for covid last week(after isolating when symptoms appeared) tested negative for covid but obviously had a cold/flu. Since last week three of her close contacts have displayed symptoms and obviously had to be tested. All tested negative as they also had the cold/flu.
I suppose better safe than sorry.

Blondini · 16-09-2020 07:46AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Is there a case for Level 5+ in Dublin and close schools also?

They have been very clear about schools.
Even a nuclear bomb won't close them.

Happydays2020 · 16-09-2020 07:46AM

kippy wrote: »

While this may be a bit of fun....there's a serious point in it. I know of a child who was tested for covid last week(after isolating when symptoms appeared) tested negative for covid but obviously had a cold/flu. Since last week three of her close contacts have displayed symptoms and obviously had to be tested. All tested negative as they also had the cold/flu.
I suppose better safe than sorry.

I certainly don’t think it is a bit of fun. We have had a workplace culture for many years where it was seen as a badge of honour to turn up sick and not take sick leave.

kippy · 16-09-2020 07:51AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I certainly don’t think it is a bit of fun. We have had a workplace culture for many years where it was seen as a badge of honour to turn up sick and not take sick leave.

I was referring to the covid 20 comment.
Not everyone would have been trying to win that badge in fairness.

Van.Bosch · 16-09-2020 07:57AM

They said yesterday the Dublin 2.5 thing was just a quirk as they transitioned from one system to the next. Yet if Dublin moves to phase 3 and pubs are still closed it will show the whole thing is unreliable as Pubs only close in phase 5.

Happydays2020 · 16-09-2020 08:01AM

kippy wrote: »

I was referring to the covid 20 comment.
Not everyone would have been trying to win that badge in fairness.

Unfortunately there is a risk. Hopefully this is a once in a century virus, but the general point I was making was that we have become too casual about sickness and infection - particularly in the workplace. I have worked abroad and the culture in that respect was different.

Happy4all · 16-09-2020 08:04AM

Confusion with message re Dublin.

Recommended no one travel out of Dublin.

But no clear message for people commuting into Dublin for work?

Hector Savage · 16-09-2020 08:07AM

The Australian city of Melbourne has recorded a 14-day case average total of less than 50. That's for its entire population of nearly 5m.

The current total means the city has met the benchmark set by authorities to begin a phased reopening. However this figure will need to stay under 50 on 28 September for the easing to be given the go-ahead.

Melbourne was placed under lockdown for a second time in July after a steep rise in cases.

If the average daily case total remains under 50, construction sites, manufacturing plants, warehouses and childcare facilities will be able to reopen.

However a curfew will remain in place and people will only be allowed to move in a 5km (3 mile) radius around their home.

Victoria state, where Melbourne is located, currently has less than 1,000 active cases. The state has recorded 737 deaths since the pandemic began.

Fascist state.

Total overreaction, and this only means it will easily blow up again as the population has practically zero immunity.

I hope no one is planning to go to Australia , as their border will be closed for DECADES.

pjohnson · 16-09-2020 08:11AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Fascist state.

Total overreaction, and this only means it will easily blow up again as the population has practically zero immunity.

I hope no one is planning to go to Australia , as their border will be closed for DECADES.

Christ is everything fascist nowadays? Kinda hilarious tbh, and while complaining about overreaction.

Wanderer78 · 16-09-2020 08:12AM

Hector Savage wrote:

I hope no one is planning to go to Australia , as their border will be closed for DECADES.

Still people travelling in and out of Oz!

iamwhoiam · 16-09-2020 08:13AM

Happy4all wrote: »

Confusion with message re Dublin.

Recommended no one travel out of Dublin.

But no clear message for people commuting into Dublin for work?

There is confusion re travel , confusion re home visitors and confusion re workers .The whole fiasco was so badly managed and at one stage I glazed over while MM was talking .

Hector Savage · 16-09-2020 08:16AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Christ is everything fascist nowadays? Kinda hilarious tbh, and while complaining about overreaction.

OK I walked into that one, but I dunno when you see police beat the **** out of a young girl and choke her for not wearing a mask ???

It's creeping there ...

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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