Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

caveat emptor · 15-09-2020 06:04PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Oxygen, steroids and antibiotics to fight potential secondary infection are the primary tools. Ventilation still is an important part of how to deal with it though

The WHO say don't get it is the best option.

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 06:04PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Really ? You think so ?

It was 6 until, was it a week/10 days ago?

It was also up and down from 6 to 12 earlier in the summer. In terms of managing numbers it's fine.

normanoffside · 15-09-2020 06:04PM

Insidious wrote: »

I'm really confused.. can someone clear this up?
We have 5 levels now.. fine...
What are the triggers to move from one to another?

It's a secret

15-09-2020 06:04PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

You and a lot of people tuned out months ago, that's the problem.

Lack of awareness of how bad this virus is.

Believe me, I understand how severe it can be. My movements have been restricted for years.

But watching the same news over and over and over was driving me further round the bend.

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 06:05PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The increase we are seeing now is not even comparable to the almost vertical increase in March...yet

Just edited that for you (>

Mam of 4 · 15-09-2020 06:05PM

History Queen wrote: »

They're meant to be restricting movements I think, not self isolating, there is a difference

I understand there is a difference between self isolating and restricting movements , but there's conflicting reports , Ceann Comhairle said self isolating .

Itssoeasy · 15-09-2020 06:05PM

GusGus wrote: »

Really think that’s an unfair comment . It was a terrible interview ( very negative)Basically RTE has decided that no matter what is decided they are going to attack the government.

Well the government are in charge of this country and sorry to say they haven’t done a good job on the messaging part of this phase of Covid-19. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen it here or heard from family the phrases “ I’m confused” Or “that wasn’t very clear” or variations of that. That’s not a good way to be, and yes FF being the biggest party and therefore having the top job had a more difficult job to do reopening the country, it shouldn’t have been this badly communicated.

Itssoeasy · 15-09-2020 06:06PM

normanoffside wrote: »

It's a secret

A secret to who ? Us the people or the government because both seem accurate.

Gadgetman496 · 15-09-2020 06:07PM

Insidious wrote: »

Does anyone know what the triggers are to move from one level to another? And have we 5 or 10 levels?

The country has 25 counties & 5 levels.

martingriff · 15-09-2020 06:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's about 7% of what it was at peak. We haven't even approached needing surge yet.

People were saying that @ the start when it was only 1 or 2 ah its only a few but if not carefull it can rise quickly. lets keep the curve flat and not let it rise again or else we will be in another f£$^&&*g lockdown

JP Liz V1 · 15-09-2020 06:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The Dail is returning at 8pm apparently

Maybe SD tested negative so

stephenjmcd · 15-09-2020 06:07PM

Might not be back after all

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1305930926623424512?s=19

Gods Gift · 15-09-2020 06:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The Dail cat?

Clair daly is an mep now.

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 06:08PM

Insidious wrote: »

Does anyone know what the triggers are to move from one level to another? And have we 5 or 10 levels?

Cases per 100K will probably be the measure and we have 5 levels. It's level 2 for most of us and Dublin at a hybrid 2.5 but probably borderline Level 3.

Mantis Toboggan · 15-09-2020 06:09PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I felt Leo and Simon Harris had some competence and confidence at least in their briefings and handling of this compared to MM and Simon D

Dumb and dumber replaced by the laurel and Hardy

mr_edge_to_you · 15-09-2020 06:09PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

They are but the public perception of how FG handled(I’m not saying they handled it good or bad) seems be holding up. FF don’t have that political goodwill.

FG came across as having strong leaders at the start of the pandemic. Coveney was solid as concrete, Harris was honest and compassionate and Leo (who I never really rated - style over substance) quickly took control and showed real leadership. Every one of Leo's speeches hit the right notes. It also helped them the CMO was a vastly experienced guy who delivered clear and concise info. Glynn is doing a super job but he has big boots to fill.

Unfortunately MM found himself going into government with a band of dodgy buskers - he lost 2 of key allies (Colleary and Cowen), he put the wrong people into the wrong roles (Donnelly, Foley). When Leo won the FG leadership contest he did the smart thing and kept Coveney close. MM on the other hand decided to push his FF nemesis (O'Callaghan) as far away from power as he could. At the end of the day though, the buck stops with him. He's overseeing a shambles of a government.

15-09-2020 06:09PM

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normanoffside · 15-09-2020 06:10PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

A secret to who ? Us the people or the government because both seem accurate.

It's a secret to everyone. I think the tooth-fairy will tell us when it's time to move to phase 1, but more likely will come up with a different plan before that happens.

martingriff · 15-09-2020 06:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Oxygen, steroids and antibiotics to fight potential secondary infection are the primary tools. Ventilation still is an important part of how to deal with it though

You do not want a person on a ventilator for too long so other treatments are priority only do when 100% needed

is_that_so · 15-09-2020 06:11PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fine Gael are just as at fault as FF.

They are not occupying the two key seats at present and judging by polls the public disagree and blame FF.

drunkmonkey · 15-09-2020 06:12PM

Mam of 4 wrote: »

I understand there is a difference between self isolating and restricting movements , but there's conflicting reports , Ceann Comhairle said self isolating .

There all different flavors of the same sauce your still allowed to the shops. There's actually no restrictions on you, it's all voluntary.

Arghus · 15-09-2020 06:12PM

Itssoeasy wrote: »

They are but the public perception of how FG handled(I’m not saying they handled it good or bad) seems be holding up. FF don’t have that political goodwill.

People have short memories. I can remember reading fck all praise for Leo and Simon on boards during the summer, once that first flush of fear began to abate. Particularly Simon Harris. I could link you to literally hundreds - no exaggeration - of posts blasting him: "condescending", "clueless". Leo was trying to cripple the economy, supposedly.

The restoration of their reputation is partly down to FF's sloppiness, but also it's plain old boards short term memory and hating whoever is in charge more than who isn't at any given moment.

mr_edge_to_you · 15-09-2020 06:12PM

Insidious wrote: »

Does anyone know what the triggers are to move from one level to another? And have we 5 or 10 levels?

Does it not say on page 15?

blade1 · 15-09-2020 06:13PM

What's the protocol when a work colleagues son has tested positive?
I'm not sure if the son lives with them or not.

Goldengirl · 15-09-2020 06:13PM

Benimar wrote: »

No, there were 120 cases over weekend not reported. This is 47 of those. No one is really sure why there is a delay but it happens regularly.

It was explained previously as verifying patient details through contact tracing by HSE .
Can't say that case is confirmed until that is done .

caveat emptor · 15-09-2020 06:14PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Maybe SD tested negative so

Yeah, is there any danger it was a strategic cough?

"Jaysus that went terribly, time to activate plan D as per the PR plan"

Mantis Toboggan · 15-09-2020 06:15PM

blade1 wrote: »

What's the protocol when a work colleagues son has tested positive?
I'm not sure if the son lives with them or not.

Michaal and Leo to call around for tea and scrumpets

normanoffside · 15-09-2020 06:16PM

Arghus wrote: »

People have short memories. I can remember reading fck all praise for Leo and Simon on boards during the summer, once that first flush of fear began to abate. Particularly Simon Harris. I could link you to literally hundreds - no exaggeration - of posts blasting him: "condescending", "clueless". Leo was trying to cripple the economy, supposedly.

The restoration of their reputation is partly down to FF's sloppiness, but also it's plain old boards short term memory and hating whoever is in charge more than who isn't at any given moment.

You are 100% right on that.
However Leo is a Slippy one, and the last abiding memories we have of him was accelerating the relaxation of restrictions just before he stepped down as Taoiseach. This leaves some positive and hopeful memories.

It's also clear as day now that despite the criticism at the time, himself and Simon H are 100 Times better communicators than MM and SD. We may have disagreed with their plans but they were at least much better at explaining the rules and the logic behind them.

15-09-2020 06:16PM

blade1 wrote: »

What's the protocol when a work colleagues son has tested positive?
I'm not sure if the son lives with them or not.

If he lives with him or has had contact within 48 hours of symptoms developing/ test if asymptomatic, he must restrict movements for 14 days - no going to work.

podgeandrodge · 15-09-2020 06:17PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Interesting report from the UK.

For the week ending 4th September, 1500 fewer people died of all causes than in a normal year. This is likely to continue for a number of weeks. It probably indicates a couple of things - people dying from infectious diseases is down because of social distancing and many people who died of covid earlier in the year would have died at some stage this year.

It will be interesting to see the full year excess deaths comparison for a country like the UK at the end of 2020.

This is the report from UK ONS.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending4september2020

Although there is a caveat!

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I remember listening to a UK epidemiologist back in February on BBC radio. He predicted that there would be no excess deaths in the UK in 2020 and basically everyone who dies of this disease would more than likely died this year anyway, bar a small unlucky few. I thought he was speaking nonsense. He might not have been.

Interesting points. So the excess in the first half of the year could balance a bit over the whole year.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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