Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

SPDUB · 15-09-2020 10:32AM

seamus wrote: »

I'm having trouble believing the Indo's reporting is accurate here.

The entire point of a five-level warning system is to make it clear where you're at, what level of caution you should be at. If you need to "borrow" elements from a more severe level, you just move to that level. The US military never go to DEFCON 2.5. They just go to 2. If that's a little bit overkill, so be it. Better safe than sorry.

I really, really hope the indo is wrong here, surely someone in government or NPHET would point out that if you're planning on moving Dublin to phase 2.3 of a five-point plan, you've already made a balls of it.

Let's wait and see, I'm in denial here

NPHET apparently have pointed it out

growleaves · 15-09-2020 10:32AM

hotmail.com wrote: »

There was always an issue with the lockdown phrase, as it was never a lockdown.

Its a word borrowed from prison slang which stuck, not a technical term with an accepted definition.

the corpo · 15-09-2020 10:33AM

15-09-2020 10:33AM

polesheep wrote: »

Partly true, but you would have to acknowledge the twitter screamers on the other side of the debate "Wear your *****n mask" etc.

We definitely should not tolerate intolerance

GooglePlus · 15-09-2020 10:36AM

DangerScouse wrote: »

The carrott should be the health of ones self and others.

That would work if humans weren't fundamentally selfish.

stephenjmcd · 15-09-2020 10:38AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GrahamNeary/status/1305474304797278208?s=20

It's an absolute fhurkhing disgrace!!

Interesting to see that.

I would assume though that people staying at home for a few months and everyone being less risk adverse contributes to there being less deaths this year so far.

However 1 note of caution is that its registered deaths and you have up to 3 months to register a death

stephenjmcd · 15-09-2020 10:40AM

Interesting that Dublin south is still below national average and bucking the Dublin trend too
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1305802380500402177?s=20

Double O Seven · 15-09-2020 10:41AM

Interesting reading, More people died in January 2017 and January 2018 than April 2020. Also deaths in June July are well down on previous years. https://mobile.twitter.com/GrahamNeary/status/1305474304797278208

Klonker · 15-09-2020 10:43AM

I don't think a lockdown of Dublin is going to achieve much to be honest. Like, what would it entail? Restaurants being takeaway only, sports matches called off. The lockdown worked at the beginning because people bought into it, we almost all severely limited our contacts but no matter what guidelines the government bring in now the majority of people won't follow them anyway. I just don't see the point in businesses being punished financially again when it'll make next to no difference.

caveat emptor · 15-09-2020 10:45AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Its funny, when Leo was Taoiseach people wanted the then Tanaiste Simon Coveney to make announcements, as he spoke like a human compared to Leo's unnatural robotic movie inspired speeches.

Now they want Leo back because MM sounds like a priest

Yeah people are very fickle. As much of a **** stirrer that Leo is, he can communicate better. Wonder what spanner in the works he'll lob this week as he prepares for an election. All this during a genuine national crisis.

In other news. Any chance of locking down Leitrem? Third only to Dublin per capita rate.

https://twitter.com/StuartDNeilson/status/1305774839723175936?s=20

EDIT: Just heard Leitrim is third after Dublin and Louth. Edited to reflect before I get shot.

Busi_Girl08 · 15-09-2020 10:46AM

Klonker wrote: »

I don't think a lockdown of Dublin is going to achieve much to be honest. Like, what would it entail? Restaurants being takeaway only, sports matches called off. The lockdown worked at the beginning because people bought into it, we almost all severely limited our contacts but no matter what guidelines the government bring in now the majority of people won't follow them anyway. I just don't see the point in businesses being punished financially again when it'll make next to no difference.

More pubs and restaurants being closed means more people congregating in houses, restrictions be damned.

niallo27 · 15-09-2020 10:47AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GrahamNeary/status/1305474304797278208?s=20

It's an absolute fhurkhing disgrace!!

If these figures are correct it means the restrictions have saved thousands of lives, but because they are not covid deaths they are not as important. This is great news.

Steve F · 15-09-2020 10:50AM

Aubrielle Unsightly Nitty-gritty wrote: »

Can somebody explain how and when this elusive second wave is going to present itself considering the country has been open for over two months with people circulating all over the country? Hotels, B&B's restaurants were all full, we've been talking about this second wave since June and no sign of it?

Either the Govt is not telling us how bad things really are which is highly unlikely when you look outside in the real world and not to the chatter online or they are just covering up their own ineptness and implementing these restrictions so they can say in 3 months time that the restrictions worked.

I believe there are harder times ahead.It's well known viruses spread easier when people are shut in,poor ventilation,overly hot rooms,shorter daylight hours.In other words exactly what happens here every winter.
Since the virus took hold we've been able to stay out in the fresh air,have our windows open....all that will change soon.

Sorry but I believe CASES will skyrocket:(

Downlinz · 15-09-2020 10:50AM

Klonker wrote: »

I don't think a lockdown of Dublin is going to achieve much to be honest. Like, what would it entail? Restaurants being takeaway only, sports matches called off. The lockdown worked at the beginning because people bought into it, we almost all severely limited our contacts but no matter what guidelines the government bring in now the majority of people won't follow them anyway. I just don't see the point in businesses being punished financially again when it'll make next to no difference.

What exactly has changed in the few weeks since the last county lockdowns when the public were generally behind restrictions in areas of high spread? This seems like a very defeatist attitude.

Non solum non ambulabit · 15-09-2020 10:50AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GrahamNeary/status/1305474304797278208?s=20

So up to May is effectively complete. And is 300 less than last year. April is 850 more than last year.

So excess deaths over peak Covid was about 550.

With people being encouraged to notify deaths earlier than they need to i suspect we will have less deaths than last year in June too.

CoronaBlocker · 15-09-2020 10:53AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Maybe theyll give it a sexy name for Dublin

"Level 2 plus"

"Level 2 extra"

Or even

"Level 3 lite"

Dublin will be given Platinum Membership. Because Dublin.

growleaves · 15-09-2020 10:54AM

Steve F wrote: »

I believe there are harder times ahead.It's well known viruses spread easier when people are shut in,poor ventilation,overly hot rooms,shorter daylight hours.In other words exactly what happens here every winter.
Since the virus took hold we've been able to stay out in the fresh air,have our windows open....all that will change soon.

Sorry but I believe CASES will skyrocket:(

Yes we'll have to have another lockdown to un-do the effect of people being forced indoors.

Away With The Fairies · 15-09-2020 10:55AM

Can anyone make sense in the government's plan with levels?

Level 2, up to 50 people in cinemas, theatres, art galleries and weddings.

But outdoor gatherings are limited to 15 people?

Are people not safer being outdoors? So in my mind it makes sense to swap those numbers around. There should be less indoors and more people allowed outdoors.

They really haven't a clue in all this. And the sad part is they are loosing the trust of people. Not only the trust but people are going to ignore the science on face masks as well thinking it's just political crap, just look at the anti-mask protests for this.

niallo27 · 15-09-2020 10:55AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

That would work if humans weren't fundamentally selfish.

How does not caring about their own health make them selfish

Always_Running · 15-09-2020 11:00AM

Last night's operational figures from the HSE show 11 people with Covid-19 in intensive care. This is up from ten people the previous day.

There has been one Covid-related death in ICU in the past 24 hours.

42 of the 64 patients are being treated in Dublin hospitals, with the remaining number in hospitals across 12 other counties.

stephenjmcd · 15-09-2020 11:00AM

Ah two and a bit, clear as mud
https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1305806914685669376?s=20

stephenjmcd · 15-09-2020 11:02AM

Always_Running wrote: »

Last night's operational figures from the HSE show 11 people with Covid-19 in intensive care. This is up from ten people the previous day.

There has been one Covid-related death in ICU in the past 24 hours.

42 of the 64 patients are being treated in Dublin hospitals, with the remaining number in hospitals across 12 other counties.

11 cases notified from hosptials yesterday, backs up what was posted the other day that hosptial labs are now picking up more cases

Steve F · 15-09-2020 11:02AM

growleaves wrote: »

Yes we'll have to have another lockdown to un-do the effect of people being forced indoors.

Cracking point

rob316 · 15-09-2020 11:02AM

2 and a bit? Its just hilariously Irish.

Busi_Girl08 · 15-09-2020 11:02AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ah two and a bit, clear as mud
https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1305806914685669376?s=20

I'm looking forward to the day they try to put another county than into Level 3.

caveat emptor · 15-09-2020 11:12AM

5% of cases in the past 2 weeks were travel related.

25% of cases are community transmission.

58 patients acquired it in healthcare setting so that 11 could have included those catching it in outbreaks in hospital were in for unrelated issues.

fits · 15-09-2020 11:13AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

11 cases notified from hosptials yesterday, backs up what was posted the other day that hosptial labs are now picking up more cases

Tracker app is now saying 13 in ICU and 68 in hospital. Hospitalisations are definitely accelarating.

Wolf359f · 15-09-2020 11:14AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

11 cases notified from hosptials yesterday, backs up what was posted the other day that hosptial labs are now picking up more cases

Yes but don't assume it's all people with sprains attending A&E testing positive. Could be people rushed to hospital with breathing difficulty and obviously been tested.

There's a consensus that most hospital cases are just asymptomatic people testing positive when they could be alot more serious.

I'm also curious to know the hospital capacity for daily tests. Can they actually test every single admission in their lab?

Downlinz · 15-09-2020 11:15AM

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

I'm looking forward to the day they try to put another county than into Level 3.

Compliance won't exist unless that county has a substantially higher rate than Dublin has currently or will in the near future as it will presumably continue to rise.
They'll realise that attempting it could lead to political embarrassment so it'll be another "2 and a bit" type deal. The whole levels are utterly pointless since they've already shown themselves as afraid to use them.

It's actual comedy sketch stuff to hear a government announcing a plan of action with strict parameters and in the very same conference undermining their plan and the boundaries set out mere moments ago.
I'm beginning to think these aren't communication issues and rather they're just completely incompetent.

BLIZZARD7 · 15-09-2020 11:17AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1305797080213057536?s=19

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ah two and a bit, clear as mud
https://twitter.com/sandra_hurley/status/1305806914685669376?s=20

Ffs like why not make it a 10 level system if they are going to go 'between levels. They should really just pick a level and go with that even if restrictions are a little heavy/light for our current cases. I've never seen such consistently bad communication from government.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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