Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

doc22 · 14-09-2020 08:24PM

Level 2 restrictions wrote:

Up to 50 people are allowed in cinemas, theatres and art galleries, and weddings can also be held with this number.

Outdoor gatherings and events are limited to 15 people

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/the-living-with-covid-plan-from-sports-and-household-gatherings-allowed-at-level-1-to-a-return-to-lockdown-at-level-5-39529476.html

Can someone explain the logic in the difference

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 08:27PM

doc22 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/the-living-with-covid-plan-from-sports-and-household-gatherings-allowed-at-level-1-to-a-return-to-lockdown-at-level-5-39529476.html

Can someone explain the logic in the difference

Final version is to have higher numbers appearently with certain sectors exempt from the low numbers.

For example a few hundred fans are expected back in sports grounds this weekend.

penovine · 14-09-2020 08:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is there a security concern here? Having folks remove masks on entry to a bank or when confirming ID could be desirable for security

no idea - but your wan was just having a go at me cos she wasn't wearing a mask..

Penfailed · 14-09-2020 08:59PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

PS - incoming bull**** about the Swedes actually having restriction's

You're really doing this again?

FintanMcluskey · 14-09-2020 09:13PM

lucernarian wrote: »

Hmmmm I might take the bait. Interesting and balanced article here: https://www.newscientist.com/article/2251615-is-swedens-coronavirus-strategy-a-cautionary-tale-or-a-success-story/

Sweden saw a similar drop in household spending to Scandinavian peers over the course of 2020. Not sure there are GDP comparisons available yet for most recent quarter with its neighbours. They, like Ireland, have a similar legal framework in place interestingly (laws disallowing groups of 50 or more to assemble). It seems people mostly adopted the same advice that has been pushed throughout Europe, and so might be a myth that they didn't do all that much differently. Excepting schools, and basically ignoring the test and trace methodology.

If there is one thing guaranteed in life, its when someone on boards posts a "balanced article" it sure as **** will agree with their argument

JRant · 14-09-2020 10:35PM

Strumms wrote: »

Thanks.

Not missing any point.. im listening to everything and everybody with an open mind and great empathy in fact... but i reserve the right to disagree.

Ill question whatever and whomever i like. It was a democracy last i looked.

Well, we are starting to look less and less like a democracy as these months go by.

Strumms · 14-09-2020 11:09PM

JRant wrote: »

Well, we are starting to look less and less like a democracy as these months go by.

The system of government isn’t a problem, although a significant number of citizens which it tries to govern for evidently ARE a problem, as has been seen from day one of this situation.

John O.Groats · 15-09-2020 12:39AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

He's married to someone from RTE...

Glynn is married to Carla O'Brien, newsreader for RTÉ News and Current Affairs. So what?

lucernarian · 15-09-2020 01:54AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If there is one thing guaranteed in life, its when someone on boards posts a "balanced article" it sure as **** will agree with their argument

The article tried to strike a balance to be fair, and with relevant examples of the numbers involved. Seems pretty lazy to dismiss it with glib lines. And I searched for something which wasn't automatically condemning Sweden's approach, which wasn't easy either.

Happydays2020 · 15-09-2020 02:42AM

John O.Groats wrote: »

Glynn is married to Carla O'Brien, newsreader for RTÉ News and Current Affairs. So what?

Agree. Nothing to do with this thread or his role. He is doing a decent job - whether his wife is a florist, a news reader or a chef has nothing to do with it (even if you don’t think he is doing a decent job).

growleaves · 15-09-2020 08:31AM

Strumms wrote: »

The system of government isn’t a problem, although a significant number of citizens which it tries to govern for evidently ARE a problem, as has been seen from day one of this situation.

Lol

growleaves · 15-09-2020 08:40AM

Many posters live in a North Korea of the mind where an iron consensus of politicians, journalists and 'official' scientists is arrived at and then everyone else is declared outside of society.

That's not how things worked in the past, even the recent past.

TomTomTim · 15-09-2020 08:42AM

growleaves wrote: »

Many posters live in a North Korea of the mind where an iron consensus of politicians, journalists and 'official' scientists is arrived at and then everyone else is declared outside of society.

That's not how things worked in the past, even the recent past.

They'd walk us into tyranny with a smile on their faces.

pjohnson · 15-09-2020 08:43AM

growleaves wrote: »

Many posters live in a North Korea of the mind where an iron consensus of politicians, journalists and 'official' scientists is arrived at and then everyone else is declared outside of society.

That's not how things worked in the past, even the recent past.

Any theory as to what changed things?

15-09-2020 08:50AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Any theory as to what changed things?

Constant Fear and hysteria made people believe that a mild illness would wipe out millions if we don't follow the "leaders".

A kind of mob mentality then took over. It became cool to take footage of people having fun and post it online to generate outrage.

A group of people have become so obsessed with Covid that they actually believe the TV volume in a pub should be kept below a certain decibel level.

PS: We also had some posters hoping the garda would get extra powers to break into your private property and break up a social gathering.

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2020 08:52AM

So today is the day the "plan" is formally announced - but not before being leaked/floated in the media for the last few days of course!

True to form though it's being undermined from the start. 5 levels, each with different restrictions - but we're starting Dublin off in some sort of hybrid level 2.5? :rolleyes:
From what I hear on the morning coverage though, "wet" (stupid term!) pubs in Dublin aside, it's still pretty much all advisory anyway with the exception of masks.

The only "certainty" this plan will provide to people is that we have another 6 months of obsessing over daily numbers, frowning at people trying to live their lives, and still more damage to the economy and social cohesion generally.
All this for a virus that is little risk to the majority but which has been blown out of all proportion here by a weak Government and the ultra-conservative medical overseers advisers they've effectively put in charge for the last 6 months.

_Kaiser_ · 15-09-2020 09:08AM

Speaking of hysteria.. some fella on NewsTalk now giving out about people not wearing masks (properly) and how people aren't taking it seriously, even going so far as suggesting they should be charged with manslaughter if someone died :rolleyes:

Double O Seven · 15-09-2020 09:12AM

One of the top stories on RTE right now is about the "next pandemic" facepalm https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0915/1165228-pandemic-warning/

15-09-2020 09:18AM

It is kind of funny that people keep calling for lockdown / more restrictions in Dublin...

First of all, a lot of the cases are coming from social gatherings. Not even house parties. Just people meeting parents or friends etc. That is not going to stop.

You also have to consider that thousands are coming into Dublin for work every single morning. And then people are coming in through the airport. And all schools are open... which we have a lot of in Dublin. So Dublin people could do everything right and there will still be lots of cases.

Finally, can we even afford lockdown in Dublin again? Government are no longer paying the PUP payment to people made redundant after mid Sept. Economy is not doing well at all. If Dublin locks down, they will need to borrow more money to start paying everyone again.

Even if we do lockdown Dublin, and we go all out closing schools, businesses etc. The cases will just come back once we lift restrictions.

Double O Seven · 15-09-2020 09:20AM

Twitter has become judge jury and executioner in this country

FintanMcluskey · 15-09-2020 09:26AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Speaking of hysteria.. some fella on NewsTalk now giving out about people not wearing masks (properly) and how people aren't taking it seriously, even going so far as suggesting they should be charged with manslaughter if someone died :rolleyes:

There needs to be a split in society. Lads like that and anyone who supports him needs to live in a "safe place".

A purpose built enclosure village somewhere in Mayo I reckon, where nobody can say mean things or offend them. It will be well populated alright, but they won't do any socialising so space won't be an issue.

pjohnson · 15-09-2020 09:27AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Constant Fear and hysteria made people believe that a mild illness would wipe out millions if we don't follow the "leaders".

A kind of mob mentality then took over. It became cool to take footage of people having fun and post it online to generate outrage.

A group of people have become so obsessed with Covid that they actually believe the TV volume in a pub should be kept below a certain decibel level.

PS: We also had some posters hoping the garda would get extra powers to break into your private property and break up a social gathering.

:pac:

I dont know why I expected a normal answer.

paw patrol · 15-09-2020 09:28AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

For any article to suggest its permanent is simply wrong.

MadYaker wrote: »

Are you serious? Nobody thinks this is going to last forever and if they read as much in an article and think it's true then they lack understanding of the situation. .

you say this but ...lo and behold our 5 stages of covid has no plan to move on into a brave new (hopefully old) world None. Our lowest stage still has social distancing and other stuff...There is no plan to move on.

There is no measure to say either.

1. Our plan worked covid is a minor annoyance.
2. Our plan was sh1t we might as well give up.

Nothing.

paw patrol · 15-09-2020 09:30AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The cases will just come back once we lift restrictions.

it's insane that after lockdowns we saw this happen....and they still want to go again....in case it's different next time.

****1n hell

Penfailed · 15-09-2020 09:32AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A group of people have become so obsessed with Covid that they actually believe the TV volume in a pub should be kept below a certain decibel level.

I'm not obsessed with Covid. I'm mature enough to understand the thinking behind keeping the TV volumes low in pubs though.

Double O Seven · 15-09-2020 09:34AM

paw patrol wrote: »

it's insane that after lockdowns we saw this happen....and they still want to go again....in case it's different next time.

****1n hell

As Albert Einstein said
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

HeidiHeidi · 15-09-2020 09:36AM

paw patrol wrote: »

it's insane that after lockdowns we saw this happen....and they still want to go again....in case it's different next time.

****1n hell

So you'd prefer that they let the cases spiral upwards to the point where the health service can't cope?

15-09-2020 09:48AM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

So you'd prefer that they let the cases spiral upwards to the point where the health service can't cope?

We never got to that point before and are not currently close so that is speculation at best.

HeidiHeidi · 15-09-2020 09:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

We never got to that point before and are not currently close so that is speculation at best.

Can you think of any reason why that might be?

Jesus, the wilful ignorance (obtuseness might be a better word for it) of some on here is just astounding :rolleyes:

FintanMcluskey · 15-09-2020 09:55AM

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Can you think of any reason why that might be?

Jesus, the wilful ignorance (obtuseness might be a better word for it) of some on here is just astounding :rolleyes:

Are you referring to to yourself?

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