Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 09:10PM

Gael23 wrote: »

If your reason for admission to hospital or ICU was for one thing and along the way you tested Covid positive you shouldn’t be counted

The fact is that there is likely a good amount of people in our hospitals marked as COVID patients despite not being hospitalised for COVID

stockshares · 14-09-2020 09:10PM

Rte news saying that cases will be 5000 per day by end of October if we continue at same rate of increase.

Currently 1000+ cases per week jumping to 35,000(5000 per day).

Sam McConkey saying the same.
https://twitter.com/SamuelMcConkey1/status/1305579552966676482?s=19

14-09-2020 09:10PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Question,

If i get run down by a bus tonight and have to go to ICU, they test me and find I have COVID, do I get added to the COVID ICU stats even though I am in hospital for totally unrelated issue?

Yep. You can have two entirely different medical conditions at the same time. If you were run down by a bus and you had Covid brewing maybe the latter might take a foothold if your breathing was compromised by, eg, broken ribs. Whereas if you just got run down by the bus without any Covid around you might have less morbidity.

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 09:10PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

McConkeys 5000 number getting mentioned on RTE

He changes his opinion every day of the week.

Not long ago was he saying to open up as your chances of getting covid were 1 in a million. Last week it was open pubs in certain areas of Dublin.

His predictions since day 1 haven't exactly been anywhere near close

Funsterdelux · 14-09-2020 09:11PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

McConkeys 5000 number getting mentioned on RTE

I thought George Lee was fairly restrained

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 09:12PM

stockshares wrote: »

Rte news saying that cases will be 5000 per day by end of October if we continue at same rate of increase.

Currently 1000+ cases per week jumping to 35,000(5000 per day).

Sam McConkey saying the same.
https://twitter.com/SamuelMcConkey1/status/1305579552966676482?s=19

Rte got it from McConkey and will probably run with it now even though it'll never happen

stockshares · 14-09-2020 09:14PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Rte got it from McConkey and will probably run with it now even though it'll never happen

If they give in to the pub lobby it could especially if they are poorly regulated.

Look at the risk of poorly ventilated spaces with crowds in the chart below.
https://twitter.com/Orla_Hegarty/status/1305584918584492032?s=19

odyssey06 · 14-09-2020 09:15PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Question
If i get run down by a bus tonight and have to go to ICU, they test me and find I have COVID, do I get added to the COVID ICU stats even though I am in hospital for totally unrelated issue?

Depends. You might survive the initial injuries but die because covid finishes you off.

bb1234567 · 14-09-2020 09:17PM

Large outbreaks emerging in central Europe, in Czech Republic and Hungary. Will be interesting to see how these countries fare, Ivor Cummin's theory revolved almost entirely around the fact that countries such as these experienced low death rates so far because they didnt have mild previous winters like most of Western Europe did which directly resulted in inflated death rates due to the dry tinder effect occurring there. If it doesn't turn out as he predicted then it will result in most of his other points of view being canned too, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he turns out to be dead wrong but some people on here seem to hold a lot of faith in his word.

Wolf359f · 14-09-2020 09:18PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

McConkeys 5000 number getting mentioned on RTE

It's rubbish like that, that really pisses off people. No wonder some people don't be following guidelines, they just can't believe the rubbish and lies RTE be spewing.

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 09:20PM

RTE are scaring the bejaysus out of older people, the only ones who actually rely on it. Ridiculous agenda.

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 09:21PM

Few more stories like this starting to emerge
https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1305601853799923713?s=19

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 09:22PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1305601853799923713?s=19

Our so-called "robust" test and trace system buckling at 70k a week? never.

14-09-2020 09:24PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Depends. You might survive the initial injuries but die because covid finishes you off.

To avoid confusion and these debates it would be great if there was separate numbers for tested positive and clinically ill with Covid-19. There are anecdotes(don’t start) that some of those in the hospital numbers are in with something else but are asymptomatic for Covid despite testing positive, however without data its only conjecture

Funsterdelux · 14-09-2020 09:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

RTE are scaring the bejaysus out of older people, the only ones who actually rely on it. Ridiculous agenda.

Yeah, those Venusians are scary sounding alright.

SPDUB · 14-09-2020 09:25PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

No wonder some people don't be following guidelines

No some people won't follow guidelines because they are arseholes given that most of them claim they don't watch or listen to RTE

bb1234567 · 14-09-2020 09:25PM

Boggles wrote: »

There is roughly 3000 deaths attribute to suicide there annually.

250 a month.

So 1200 in 6 months would be 200.

Suicide rate is down.

Suicide rate appears to be down across most of the world for now at least although depression rates appear to have risen hugely in most countries such as the UK.

KrustyUCC · 14-09-2020 09:28PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

He changes his opinion every day of the week.

Not long ago was he saying to open up as your chances of getting covid were 1 in a million. Last week it was open pubs in certain areas of Dublin.

His predictions since day 1 haven't exactly been anywhere near close

He definitely flip flops in his opinions

He's a go to guy for RTE to use

14-09-2020 09:29PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Yeah, those Venusians are scary sounding alright.

COVID-19 was started in a Chinese lab on Venus and can only be treated by phosphine?

Dressoutlet · 14-09-2020 09:29PM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Question,

If i get run down by a bus tonight and have to go to ICU, they test me and find I have COVID, do I get added to the COVID ICU stats even though I am in hospital for totally unrelated issue?

If you had HIV and got hit by a bus you would be added into the data of people who were hospitalised with HIV.

If you have diabetes and develop covid and die you will be added to the people who died with Covid because without the covid you would have lived another 30 years but you would also be added to the data for deaths of people with diabetes.

Do you see how this works?

StevenToast · 14-09-2020 09:29PM

Sam McConkey and Luke O'Neill are talking out their arses all the time...trying to sound authoritative on the subject even though theyre making it up as they go along...not credible in my opinion...

Funsterdelux · 14-09-2020 09:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

COVID-19 was started in a Chinese lab on Venus and can only be treated by phosphine?

Exactly

boggerman1 · 14-09-2020 09:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

RTE are off their f*cking game giving that clown McConkey air time.

Whenever all this ends and we don’t get near the figures put out there by the likes of McConkey and Killeen et al for cases and deaths I hope there are prices to be paid for the constant fear mongering

niallo27 · 14-09-2020 09:37PM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

If you had HIV and got hit by a bus you would be added into the data of people who were hospitalised with HIV.

If you have diabetes and develop covid and die you will be added to the people who died with Covid because without the covid you would have lived another 30 years but you would also be added to the data for deaths of people with diabetes.

Do you see how this works?

Yes but if he wasn't hit by the bus he would have lived another 50 years with covid and never gone to hospital.

Do you see how this could also work.

14-09-2020 09:39PM

boggerman1 wrote: »

Whenever all this ends and we don’t get near the figures put out there by the likes of McConkey and Killeen et al for cases and deaths I hope there are prices to be paid for the constant fear mongering

While fully believing McConkey Killeen et al are exaggerating with hyperbole to feed off their new found celebrity, it is worth noting that anyone who expresses such certainty, on either side is opening themselves up to been proven wrong. 4 weeks ago we had 700 confirmed cases, this past week we had 7 deaths. 1%.

daydorunrun · 14-09-2020 09:40PM

Dressoutlet wrote: »

If you had HIV and got hit by a bus you would be added into the data of people who were hospitalised with HIV.

If you have diabetes and develop covid and die you will be added to the people who died with Covid because without the covid you would have lived another 30 years but you would also be added to the data for deaths of people with diabetes.

Do you see how this works?

Why the aggressive tone? The poster only asked a question!

FintanMcluskey · 14-09-2020 09:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

While fully believing McConkey Killeen et al are exaggerating with hyperbole to feed off their new found celebrity, it is worth noting that anyone who expresses such certainty, on either side is opening themselves up to been proven wrong. 4 weeks ago we had 700 confirmed cases, this past week we had 7 deaths. 1%.

Have all those death's occurred in the last week?

Squeaksoutloud · 14-09-2020 09:50PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Large outbreaks emerging in central Europe, in Czech Republic and Hungary. Will be interesting to see how these countries fare, Ivor Cummin's theory revolved almost entirely around the fact that countries such as these experienced low death rates so far because they didnt have mild previous winters like most of Western Europe did which directly resulted in inflated death rates due to the dry tinder effect occurring there. If it doesn't turn out as he predicted then it will result in most of his other points of view being canned too, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he turns out to be dead wrong but some people on here seem to hold a lot of faith in his word.

Ah The 'Engineer' on Twitter who is a diet guru like all those other low carb / keto types. Usually think they know more than the rest of us who also manage to read a lot and educate ourselves. Everything he is saying now looks rubbish anyway and his simplistic graphs. Hospitalisation creeping up slowly around Europe and obviously lower than earlier this year as testing was only picking up a fraction of tests then, younger cohort now, increased measures all slowing the spread.

14-09-2020 09:50PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Have all those death's occurred in the last week?

Have they not? If we find they are spaced over 4 weeks, that’s one thing, if they are over one week that’s another. I don’t think either of us know.

stockshares · 14-09-2020 09:50PM

For a different perspective on what McConkey said see below.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1305588550835068934?s=19

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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