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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 471 ✭✭Piehead


    What are the Dublin numbers? Rumour is that it’s v high? When can we expect lockdown?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    It's still anecdote............

    It really isn't. He would be able view the patients record and previous test results and the test that confirmed reinfection. There will need to be genomic sequencing to confirm the circumstance and strains but this is far more than anecdotal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭Treepole


    Piehead wrote: »
    What are the Dublin numbers? Rumour is that it’s v high? When can we expect lockdown?

    Dublin will be under increased restrictions from tomorrow evening I suspect, once the Government have published their new plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    seanb85 wrote: »
    It really isn't. He would be able view the patients record and previous test results and the test that confirmed reinfection. There will need to be genomic sequencing to confirm the circumstance and strains but this is far more than anecdotal.

    Actually says "Catalonia has documented four cases of Covid-19 reinfection, "


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    SPDUB wrote: »
    caveat emptor It's pointless continuing on ACitizenErased never concedes anything
    I can point you to the dictionary definition of anecdote if that helps? Or would you prefer to believe the radio


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  • Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    US2 wrote: »
    So a vaccine is a waste of time then ?

    No


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    seanb85 wrote: »
    It really isn't. He would be able view the patients record and previous test results and the test that confirmed reinfection. There will need to be genomic sequencing to confirm the circumstance and strains but this is far more than anecdotal.
    Any interview = anecdote.

    Is there a paper on it? Show me the paper and I'll read it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Any interview = anecdote.

    Only when it suits you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Only when it suits you.
    What? Pointing out something is anecdote is a neutral stance. I never denied it's true?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Anecdote, schmanecdote... where's the effing numbers!


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    It's still anecdote............

    Provenence ACE. A case related in an interview with the head of infectious disease at a major hospital and reported in a national newspaper, is a stronger source than a poster on boards


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    Any interview = anecdote.

    Is there a paper on it? Show me the paper and I'll read it.

    Eh? If something is based on fact ie. looking at a clinical test result and documenting same then by definition it is not anecdotal. It is a statement of the facts available.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    I can point you to the dictionary definition of anecdote if that helps? Or would you prefer to believe the radio

    He could be lying for all I know but that's not the point I was making


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    seanb85 wrote: »
    Eh? If something is based on fact ie. looking at a clinical test result and documenting same then by definition it is not anecdotal. It is a statement of the facts available.
    Without evidence.... So it's anecdote :D Seriously lads, are we believing every single radio interview now? Like honestly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    wadacrack wrote: »
    It matters.A story from a well respected newspaper is obviously much more credible than an anecdotal forum post/whats app rumor. Their is much more accountability with the newspaper story.

    So what about the doctors in Italy that suggested virus was potentially weakening, they were well respected heads of infectious disease units but some posters here dismissed it as anecdotal.

    Works both ways really doesn't it ? Same in this situation


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Anecdote.......Lisa needs braces.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    So what about the doctors in Italy that suggested virus was potentially weakening, they were well respected heads of infectious disease units but some posters here dismissed it as anecdotal.

    Works both ways really doesn't it ? Same in this situation
    No no no that can't be true Stephen!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Any interview = anecdote.

    Is there a paper on it? Show me the paper and I'll read it.

    I'm very sorry for distracting from the important work you do here. So higher or lower. That's the real question.....

    Sorry for interrupting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Some on here have zero issue "de-bunking" other's posts but when it happens to them there's uproar... Funny.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    Without evidence.... So it's anecdote :D Seriously lads, are we believing every single radio interview now? Like honestly.

    No point is there


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Piehead wrote: »
    What are the Dublin numbers? Rumour is that it’s v high? When can we expect lockdown?

    It won't be a lockdown. They've moved away from that phrase. A lockdown was what we had in March and April.

    It'll be restrictions on households mixing is what it looks like. Not sure how effective that'll be alone but we'll see


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    4 more reinfections in Spain. Doctor had mild dose first time around and ended up in the ICU now. Is expected to recover.
    Put's paid to the theory that subsequent infections can only be mild.

    https://twitter.com/elpaisinenglish/status/1305489206807064578?s=20

    29 million cases worldwide and your basing reinfection on one person, what about the other 29,277,083 people. Its not healthy for you to be this afraid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,117 ✭✭✭✭MrJoeSoap


    Piehead wrote: »
    What are the Dublin numbers? Rumour is that it’s v high? When can we expect lockdown?

    Haven't seen today's numbers, but Dublin is at 92.3 cases per 100k, for the last 14 days. Today's numbers will almost certainly see that increase.

    The new roadmap being released tomorrow will have Dublin at a level higher than the rest of the country, most likely at a Level 3, which will mean a slightly higher level of restrictions than the rest of the country. If the numbers keep rising, it's quite likely that a Level 4 isn't a million miles away. That involves distance limits, as far as I've read.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    So what about the doctors in Italy that suggested virus was potentially weakening, they were well respected heads of infectious disease units but some posters here dismissed it as anecdotal.

    Works both ways really doesn't it ? Same in this situation

    One was based on opinion with no scientific backing or the kind of evidence you would need to show weakening such as mutation.

    The other is based on clinical test results showing individual reinfection that can be verified. You surely can see the difference?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Del Griffith


    Yeah what are they on about!
    We’ve had this 8 months now. So effectively one season

    8 months.. 1 season.. ?:confused:

    Must be a long 32 month year where you're living.
    You are not immune to a cold or a flu. It varies season to season. They know that immunity with other corona viruses is not robust. Why would this one be any different? If that were the case everyone would have had a coronavirus cold exactly once in their life ( per virus )

    You do gain immunity to every flu you get, but the flu mutates pretty quickly and cross immunity is limited. Happily every bit of evidence we have suggests that a corona virus's mutate much more slowly than the flu. This is good news for a vaccine too.

    There is also evidence to suggest some limited cross immunity between corona virus's, which would explain why some people seem to be practically immune anyway.

    So basically, everything you said there is incorrect, and goes against everything we know about this virus and about how our immune systems work.
    I’d wait a year before I’d say you can’t get reinfected.

    Have fun in your cave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,448 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    seanb85 wrote: »
    One was based on opinion with no scientific backing or the kind of evidence you would need to show weakening such as mutation.

    The other is based on clinical test results showing individual reinfection that can be verified. You surely can see the difference?

    I can try and find the article again but the viral load being detected was less which was evidence hence they gave their thoughts. I remember it being the argument at the time when viral load was being discussed.

    Reinfection so far appears rare thankfully.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Le Bruise wrote: »
    My young chap (6) had a bit of a cough last week with no temp or any other symptoms. We kept him off school to be safe and rang the GP and he was booked in for a test within 2 hours. Testing centre was full of kids with sniffles, coughs, temps etc, so they're being ultra cautious with schools opening and testing so much as a clear of the throat! We had the results (negative) the next day, so we didn't have to isolate for too long.

    He gets a coughs the whole time though...so it could be a long winter!!

    Its crazy people with 3 or 4 kids at home could be staying home from work for a hell of a lot of days waiting for negative results


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 189 ✭✭seanb85


    I can try and find the article again but the viral load being detected was less which was evidence. I remember it being the argument at the time when viral load was being discussed.

    Lower viral load does not mean weakening. It might mean you are now seeing less ill patients than March, because in March in Italy only the sickest patients got tested or saw the inside of a hospital.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Very informative thread. All reports backed up with great data

    https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1305539891854553088


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,173 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    alentejo wrote: »
    300+ incidents due today or Tuesday!

    200 + Dublin likely so, lockdown or tough restrictions needed there


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