Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

MrJoeSoap · 14-09-2020 04:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Hilarious that people are still surprised by this.

For the vast majority it is literally a few sniffles. Many of us may have had it already and just put it down to a slight cold.

Even more again have had it and had no symptoms at all.

Gruffalux · 14-09-2020 04:39PM

seamus wrote: »

That's fair. If we look back over the numbers, there have been ~3,672 cases reported over the last 4 weeks, and 25 new hospitalisations in the last week.

If we take 1st May as a comparative week, there were 16,553 new cases in previous 4 weeks and 213 new hospitalisations in the previous 7 days.

Statistically it means we've seen the hospitalisation rate roughly half.

However, I'm not saying that's actually the case. What I'm saying is that we need better risk guidance, now that we have better and more information.

At one stage in April we had 880 people in hospital and ~12,000 confirmed cases. And it doesn't feel like anyone in any position of authority has made an attempt to de-escalate the seriousness of the virus from those peak figures.

In March, April and May we were catching fractions of the true number of cases. Maybe 1/10th at bad times. 1/5th as we improved. Now is likely far more accurate. But may still be considerably off. The virus has not changed. There has been no research to prove that. Testing is what has changed - hugely. The level of virus is still quite low in my opinion.

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 04:40PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

In March, April and May we were catching fractions of the true number of cases. Maybe 1/10th at bad times. 1/5th as we improved. Now is likely far more accurate. But may still be considerably off. The virus has not changed. There has been no research to prove that. Testing is what has changed - hugely. The level of virus is still quite low in my opinion.

Be interesting if someone could equate the testing per week with cases reported per week. Last two weeks have high case numbers, with record testing numbers.

seamus · 14-09-2020 04:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Amazingly some of the staff thought it was acceptable to go to work when feeling symptoms, however mild they were

If you read the article, the owner stated that none of the staff had any symptoms related to covid. If they had gone to a GP with these symptoms, the current HSE guidance would not have mandated referral for testing.

In the general sense of "stay at home when you're sick", then we're back to that old chestnut of payment. They're waged workers. If they were stay at home, they won't get paid. So they won't stay at home unless they have to.

A lot of emergency legislation has been rushed through over the last six months, but they've missed some really key ones like mandatory sick pay that could be crucial in keeping this thing pinned down.

Non solum non ambulabit · 14-09-2020 04:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Interesting to see that cases per day by epi date have still not crossed 200. This is the latest graph from Friday up to 9th Sept. Shows how unreliable the daily case numbers are atm.

Looking at that it looks like our 7 day average would be on a downward trend. Won't continue probably but that is what it looks like at the moment.

yourdeadwright · 14-09-2020 04:41PM

Does anyone know the criteria that the doctors are using to send people for tests,

For instant if a toddler has a cough like once every hour but no temp or anything else would they be tested ,

My own daughter got tested but had a very high temperature ( she was negative)

Just wondering how they decide or what the criteria is ,seen as its that time of years where kids and toddlers pick up common colds

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 04:41PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Looking at that it looks like our 7 day average would be on a downward trend. Won't continue probably but that is what it looks like at the moment.

Yeah the increase clearly isn't as dramatic as the case numbers suggest. Not sure why others are on about the 7 day average, as it would be different with cases by epi date.

stephenjmcd · 14-09-2020 04:43PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Does anyone know the criteria that the doctors are using to send people for tests,

For instant if a toddler has a cough like once every hour but no temp or anything else would they be tested ,

My own daughter got tested but had a very high temperature ( she was negative)

Just wondering how they decide or what the criteria is ,seen as its that time of years where kids and toddlers pick up common colds

Testing criteria for doctors in the tweet below.

https://twitter.com/DrZeroCraic/status/1305505929463562240?s=19

thenightman · 14-09-2020 04:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly. We have now been told countless times to seek a test and isolate if you feel that you may have symptoms whether you think you might just have a common cold.

That's all well and good but if employer demands you come in and you would like to continue paying the rent you'll come to work. Unless government add financial support or employment guarantees for symptomatic people isolating awaiting testing/results what do you expect?

I was 3 days awaiting a test as I was initially given an appointment in Punchestown despite living in Dublin, I don't drive so couldn't attend it. GP said it was nothing to do with him once referral was made, SwiftQueue who run the appointments were no help and I eventually had to chase it up myself with HSE on twitter to get an appointment in Tallaght Stadium.

Negative result 24 hours after finally getting the the test, but I've
been told I have to take those 3 days off from my annual leave now as result was negative. If this is the norm, a rational person might think twice next time they have symptoms.

wadacrack · 14-09-2020 04:45PM

MrJoeSoap wrote: »

"Amazingly most of the staff at the restaurant on Letterkenny's Port Road showed mild or no symptoms at all."

Bizarre statement as he goes on to say alot had head colds aches and pains etc. One of them is very poorly also.

caveat emptor · 14-09-2020 04:45PM

4 more reinfections in Spain. Doctor had mild dose first time around and ended up in the ICU now. Is expected to recover.
Put's paid to the theory that subsequent infections can only be mild.

https://twitter.com/elpaisinenglish/status/1305489206807064578?s=20

Deliverance XXV · 14-09-2020 04:46PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Does anyone know the criteria that the doctors are using to send people for tests,

For instant if a toddler has a cough like once every hour but no temp or anything else would they be tested ,

My own daughter got tested but had a very high temperature ( she was negative)

Just wondering how they decide or what the criteria is ,seen as its that time of years where kids and toddlers pick up common colds

Our little one had to get tested last week when she had a cough. Test was negative thankfully. GP referred her over the phone without seeing her. She can't go back into creche until antibiotics and steroids treatments have completed, 48hrs without symptoms and obviously a negative test result.

Kimbot · 14-09-2020 04:47PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Does anyone know the criteria that the doctors are using to send people for tests,

For instant if a toddler has a cough like once every hour but no temp or anything else would they be tested ,

My own daughter got tested but had a very high temperature ( she was negative)

Just wondering how they decide or what the criteria is ,seen as its that time of years where kids and toddlers pick up common colds

My 5 year old had a cough last Monday. Went to the Dr on monday as he normally gets a cough in school with his asthma etc. Dr referred him for a test which he got on Thursday and the all clear on Saturday. So I think it all depends on the Dr and underlying conditions etc too.

US2 · 14-09-2020 04:47PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

4 more reinfections in Spain. Doctor had mild dose first time around and ended up in the ICU now. Is expected to recover.
Put's paid to the theory that subsequent infections can only be mild.

https://twitter.com/elpaisinenglish/status/1305489206807064578?s=20

So a vaccine is a waste of time then ?

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 04:47PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

4 more reinfections in Spain. Doctor had mild dose first time around and ended up in the ICU now. Is expected to recover.
Put's paid to the theory that subsequent infections can only be mild.

https://twitter.com/elpaisinenglish/status/1305489206807064578?s=20

Anecdote? So not confirmed?

caveat emptor · 14-09-2020 04:51PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

4 more reinfections in Spain. Doctor had mild dose first time around and ended up in the ICU now. Is expected to recover.
Put's paid to the theory that subsequent infections can only be mild.

https://twitter.com/elpaisinenglish/status/1305489206807064578?s=20

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Anecdote? So not confirmed?

eh not quite but nice try. Shout fake news though if you want. National paper of record vs a random internet poster. Confirmed.

El País (Spanish: [el paˈis] (About this soundlisten); lit. 'The Country') is a Spanish-language daily newspaper in Spain. El País is based in the capital city of Madrid and it is owned by the Spanish media conglomerate PRISA.[7]

According to the Office of Justification of Dissemination (OJD), it is the second most circulated daily newspaper in Spain as of December 2017.[8] El País is the third most read newspaper in Spanish online and one of the Madrid dailies considered to be a national newspaper of record for Spain (along with El Mundo)

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 04:51PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

eh not quite but nice try. Shout fake news though if you want.

It's anecdote from the doctor. Doesn't matter what newspaper it's in....

Le Bruise · 14-09-2020 04:51PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Does anyone know the criteria that the doctors are using to send people for tests,

For instant if a toddler has a cough like once every hour but no temp or anything else would they be tested ,

My own daughter got tested but had a very high temperature ( she was negative)

Just wondering how they decide or what the criteria is ,seen as its that time of years where kids and toddlers pick up common colds

My young chap (6) had a bit of a cough last week with no temp or any other symptoms. We kept him off school to be safe and rang the GP and he was booked in for a test within 2 hours. Testing centre was full of kids with sniffles, coughs, temps etc, so they're being ultra cautious with schools opening and testing so much as a clear of the throat! We had the results (negative) the next day, so we didn't have to isolate for too long.

He gets a coughs the whole time though...so it could be a long winter!!

seamus · 14-09-2020 04:53PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Does anyone know the criteria that the doctors are using to send people for tests,

For instant if a toddler has a cough like once every hour but no temp or anything else would they be tested ,

My own daughter got tested but had a very high temperature ( she was negative)

Just wondering how they decide or what the criteria is ,seen as its that time of years where kids and toddlers pick up common colds

This is the algorithm in use to determine what to do with a sick child;
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/algorithms/COVID-19%20Assessment%20and%20decision%20making%20pathway%20for%20all%20children.pdf

Scenario A is the most severe case, scenario E being the least severe.

Strictly speaking any new cough falls under scenario C, effectively obliging the GP to refer for testing. But they may make a judgement call on it if it's marginal.

Le Bruise wrote: »

My young chap (6) had a bit of a cough last week with no temp or any other symptoms. We kept him off school to be safe and rang the GP and he was booked in for a test within 2 hours. Testing centre was full of kids with sniffles, coughs, temps etc, so they're being ultra cautious with schools opening and testing so much as a clear of the throat! We had the results (negative) the next day, so we didn't have to isolate for too long.

He gets a coughs the whole time though...so it could be a long winter!!

There were 15,000 testing referrals last Monday, which is more than double the usual up until then. One of the kids next door got referred (negative).
I think the return of the schools saw a massive explosion in head colds. That's surprised me, but it does seem at least like people are being careful.

spookwoman · 14-09-2020 04:56PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's anecdote from the doctor. Doesn't matter what newspaper it's in....

So the hospitals have gotten his tests and his diagnosis wrong both times :rolleyes:

Van.Bosch · 14-09-2020 04:56PM

seamus wrote: »

This is the algorithm in use to determine what to do with a sick child;
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/algorithms/COVID-19%20Assessment%20and%20decision%20making%20pathway%20for%20all%20children.pdf

Scenario A is the most severe case, scenario E being the least severe.

Strictly speaking any new cough falls under scenario C, effectively obliging the GP to refer for testing. But they may make a judgement call on it if it's marginal.

It’s tough, sure all kids get coughs this time of year. In the same boat here, 6 year old had a cough. Going for a test to be safe, prob gonna miss 6 days of school but what can you do.

wadacrack · 14-09-2020 04:56PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's anecdote from the doctor. Doesn't matter what newspaper it's in....

It matters.A story from a well respected newspaper is obviously much more credible than an anecdotal forum post/whats app rumor. Their is much more accountability with the newspaper story.

14-09-2020 04:56PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

There were plenty more days greater than 600.

Just interesting to see that we're not really that far off earlier in the year, I would have been thinking we were 5 times or so less but that's mad enough.

Look at our case distribution by report date - there are obvious holes in the distribution either side of the first peak. This is delayed testing of swabs. If you were to overlay the epidemiological data it would fill in almost perfectly

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 04:56PM

spookwoman wrote: »

So the hospitals have gotten his tests and his diagnosis wrong both times :rolleyes:

You know what anecdote means? A doctor ringing into a radio show = anecdote.

caveat emptor · 14-09-2020 04:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's anecdote from the doctor. Doesn't matter what newspaper it's in....

Yes that is true but I can verify he is a doctor and there are multiple sources he said it on the radio. He is not on twitter.
To be 100% clear,
I trust the head of infectious diseases to give accurate information to a new radio programme.
I trust the 3rd largest paper and a paper of national record in Spain to report on it accurately.
I trust that the person translated it correctly for the article.

You shouldn't be so distrustful.

Bonaventura Clotet, d '
@IrsiCaixa
and Head of Infectious Diseases
@hgermanstrias
: "the most important thing for pandemic control is to identify who is infected with rapid tests and find treatments that inhibit the virus"

https://twitter.com/totesmoutv3/status/1302987782856544258?s=20

spookwoman · 14-09-2020 04:59PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You know what anecdote means? A doctor ringing into a radio show = anecdote.

and the head of Infectious Diseases at the hospital is talking sh*te.......

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 04:59PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yes that is true but I can verify he is a doctor and there are multiple sources he said it on the radio. He is not on twitter.

https://twitter.com/totesmoutv3/status/1302987782856544258?s=20

It doesn't matter what he is. It's still anecdote. It could be the binman from down the street ringing in and saying it, it's still anecdote.

ACitizenErased · 14-09-2020 05:00PM

spookwoman wrote: »

and the head of Infectious Diseases at the hospital is talking sh*te.......

It's still anecdote............

14-09-2020 05:03PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

4 more reinfections in Spain. Doctor had mild dose first time around and ended up in the ICU now. Is expected to recover.
Put's paid to the theory that subsequent infections can only be mild.

https://twitter.com/elpaisinenglish/status/1305489206807064578?s=20

Concerning, but they stated their belief was most reinfections would be minor. For whatever reason some people don't get as good an immune response as most with a lot of infections

SPDUB · 14-09-2020 05:04PM

caveat emptor It's pointless continuing on ACitizenErased never concedes anything

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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