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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    The same case for us in younger groups. This pandemic has killed many young people and suicide reporting has taken a hit so we don't even know the full picture.

    There is no evidence for an increase in suicides due to covid, and we wont know for certain until inquests are complete, as only then can numbers be accurately compiled


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,175 ✭✭✭✭Eod100




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭growleaves


    So 1200 in 6 months would be 200.

    1200 between March 13th and August 7th


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    How does that make sense ? Test positive 10 days, close contact 14 days?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    There is no evidence for an increase in suicides due to covid, and we wont know for certain until inquests are complete, as only then can numbers be accurately compiled

    I can only go on an increase of incidents close to home but yeah, we've no way of knowing the picture at the minute.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    As for NPHET, I suppose there's an element of not wanting to paint too positive a picture in case it increases complacency. But I've honestly no idea why there isn't more detailed info released.
    There is also an issue of information overload. Too much information and people will pick and choose what they want to hear.

    But there is at this stage a need to provide an updated risk assessment. Because the misinformation and rumour is starting to take over.

    Since March, every single article that RTE publishes about Covid contains the rider;
    The World Health Organization says data to date suggests 80% of Covid-19 infections are mild or asymptomatic, 15% are severe infection, requiring oxygen and 5% are critical, requiring ventilation.

    But we know this is quite badly out of date. In an Irish context, 89% of cases don't require medical assistance. Of those that do, about 1 in 8 will end up in ICU. Which is more like "89% are mild, 10% require oxygen and 1% are critical".

    Then you have the mismatching piece of a 6% death rate. 450 people have been in ICU with covid since March, but 1,784 people have died.

    This is why there is growing dissatisfaction of the government's response. It seems like they're still churning out data but not taking the time to actually analyse it.

    People still understand the main areas where risk lies, but there's no longer any coherent connection between daily numbers, 14-day incident rates, and the actual risk that Covid poses.

    You have one group of people screaming that opening the schools was a precursor to the apocalypse, and a second group screaming that any restrictions are unnecessary. Neither of them are right, but the public doesn't have a clue which is closer to reality.

    Sometimes it appears like NPHET have indeed updated their risk models and believe Covid poses less of a public health risk now, but they've failed (or refused) to communicate that to the public.

    Net result is that people are increasingly confused and distressed.

    There's a very clear fact emerging here. The rising number of cases now emerging is down to increased testing, and is considerably less serious than 6 months ago. For whatever reason.

    On 1st May there were 6,179 active cases of Covid in Ireland, and 740 of them in hospital. That's 12%. Bloody serious and scary.
    Yesterday, there were 5,837 active cases in Ireland, and 60 of them in hospital. 1%.

    Whatever NPHET think is happening, it's time to tell the rest of us. We don't need reams of data. We just need an honest risk assessment, now that we're six months into this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,505 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    growleaves wrote: »
    1200 between March 13th and August 7th

    Didn't realize you were linking to an article 6 weeks old.

    Statistically still lower though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    US2 wrote: »
    How does that make sense ? Test positive 10 days, close contact 14 days?
    5 days to develop the virus + 10 days to clear the infection.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Interesting (in UK). I wonder is it the same here.

    https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1305508190591819776?s=21


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    US2 wrote: »
    How does that make sense ? Test positive 10 days, close contact 14 days?

    Because if you test positive, you are already replicating virus and your immune system is actively trying to eliminate it. One you are fever free for 5 days, there is very little chance of passing it on anymore. If however you are a contact it can take up to 14 days for the presence of the virus to becomes apparent. Its then only at that point that the 10 days start.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    US2 wrote: »
    How does that make sense ? Test positive 10 days, close contact 14 days?

    It actually makes plenty of sense. If you test positive you have the virus in your system already.

    If you are a close contact of a confirmed positive, you are exposed to the virus and takes time for the virus to take hold in the body and for a viral load to increase so a close contact will need more days to restrict the movements and close contacts to prevent spread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    eigrod wrote: »
    Interesting (in UK). I wonder is it the same here.

    https://twitter.com/paulbranditv/status/1305508190591819776?s=21

    Have a look at the long 28 part DeGascun tweet linked to earlier on the Vaccine & testing thread. He mentions this.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    There is also an issue of information overload. Too much information and people will pick and choose what they want to hear.

    But there is at this stage a need to provide an updated risk assessment. Because the misinformation and rumour is starting to take over.

    Since March, every single article that RTE publishes about Covid contains the rider;

    But we know this is quite badly out of date. In an Irish context, 89% of cases don't require medical assistance. Of those that do, about 1 in 8 will end up in ICU. Which is more like "89% are mild, 10% require oxygen and 1% are critical".

    Then you have the mismatching piece of a 6% death rate. 450 people have been in ICU with covid since March, but 1,784 people have died.

    This is why there is growing dissatisfaction of the government's response. It seems like they're still churning out data but not taking the time to actually analyse it.

    People still understand the main areas where risk lies, but there's no longer any coherent connection between daily numbers, 14-day incident rates, and the actual risk that Covid poses.

    You have one group of people screaming that opening the schools was a precursor to the apocalypse, and a second group screaming that any restrictions are unnecessary. Neither of them are right, but the public doesn't have a clue which is closer to reality.

    Sometimes it appears like NPHET have indeed updated their risk models and believe Covid poses less of a public health risk now, but they've failed (or refused) to communicate that to the public.

    Net result is that people are increasingly confused and distressed.

    There's a very clear fact emerging here. The rising number of cases now emerging is down to increased testing, and is considerably less serious than 6 months ago. For whatever reason.

    On 1st May there were 6,179 active cases of Covid in Ireland, and 740 of them in hospital. That's 12%. Bloody serious and scary.
    Yesterday, there were 5,837 active cases in Ireland, and 60 of them in hospital. 1%.

    Whatever NPHET think is happening, it's time to tell the rest of us. We don't need reams of data. We just need an honest risk assessment, now that we're six months into this.

    We dont know the current number of active cases in Ireland, according to Worldometers, no one has recovered from covid in Ireland since June


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Has the leak in the beer source been patched?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    US2 wrote: »
    How does that make sense ? Test positive 10 days, close contact 14 days?

    Makes perfect sense, in the UK it was 7 days for positive cases and 14 days for contacts was it not?

    If you test positive you already have the virus.
    If you are a close contact you may not have it yet (plus you need time for testing).

    In any case the 5 days post symptoms trumps the 10 days isolation, so if you are stills sick (presumably infectious) you need to continue to isolate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 lethalJB


    Has the leak in the beer source been patched?

    Even the dashboard hasnt been updated yet so I think things are just slow today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    owlbethere wrote: »
    It actually makes plenty of sense. If you test positive you have the virus in your system already.

    If you are a close contact of a confirmed positive, you are exposed to the virus and takes time for the virus to take hold in the body and for a viral load to increase so a close contact will need more days to restrict the movements and close contacts to prevent spread.

    But we are hearing of close contacts being called 5 or 6 days later? My own cousin was a close contact in UHL emergency department a few weeks ago, she got tested 5 days after being a contact and no follow up 7 day test. She tested negative anyway .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Is there a press briefing this evening or will it be held off til tomorrow?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Seamai wrote: »
    Is there a press briefing this evening or will it be held off til tomorrow?

    Press briefing is not on today


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    US2 wrote: »
    But we are hearing of close contacts being called 5 or 6 days later? My own cousin was a close contact in UHL emergency department a few weeks ago, she got tested 5 days after being a contact and no follow up 7 day test. She tested negative anyway .

    Still had to wait 14 days from potential exposure


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,950 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Has the leak in the beer source been patched?

    My source is up a mountain today , so no signal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    476 positive swabs over past 48 hours, per the dashboard


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    My source is up a mountain today , so no signal


    If TheMerchants is too its the same source :eek:


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,279 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    476 positive swabs over past 48 hours, per the dashboard


    Jeepers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    476 positive swabs over past 48 hours, per the dashboard

    I reckon we are missing 320+ swabs at present so could be a big number tonight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,001 ✭✭✭eigrod


    19,707 tests in those 48 hours. Positivity rate 2.41% - A good bit higher than 7 day average


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 indiscipline


    476 positive swabs over past 48 hours, per the dashboard

    dios mio..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭wellwhynot


    They are mass testing direct provision centres so I was expecting a rise in cases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭jeditokingyoda


    476 positive swabs over past 48 hours, per the dashboard

    Sorry, out of the loop here, what dashboard is this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Sorry, out of the loop here, what dashboard is this?

    This one:
    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing


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