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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #7352
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Trump now several points ahead in Iowa.

    He should carry it, though it often flips from party to party.

    Given its solid working class population and that its economy is as far from Wall St. And Silicon valley as one can get in America, he should carry it and has to if he has any chance


  • #7353
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,899 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    According to you and other posters my credibility was gone the second I said I support Trump and that I'd vote for him over Biden.

    So I had no credibility to lose since I had none to begin with.

    I'll just stay in my bubble and everyone that wants to can stay in their MSM bubble because god forbid you get any news from any other sources other than the almighty forever honest unbiased MSM.

    Please provide evidence for this claim you have made against me or apologise.


  • #7354
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Please provide evidence for this claim you have made against me or apologise.

    In fairness Timberrrrrr, take the most intense Trump Trump Loyalist online and you'd be their mirror image.


  • #7355
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    What left-wing sites do you look up for news, LessOutragePlz?


  • #7356
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 43,412 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Danzy wrote: »
    Trump now several points ahead in Iowa.

    He should carry it, though it often flips from party to party.

    Given its solid working class population and that its economy is as far from Wall St. And Silicon valley as one can get in America, he should carry it and has to if he has any chance

    Trump has always been ahead in iowa

    https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/iowa/


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  • #7357
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    What left-wing sites do you look up for news, LessOutragePlz?

    CNN and MSNBC you gotta keep an eye on what the opposition are saying.


  • #7358
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,899 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Danzy wrote: »
    In fairness Timberrrrrr, take the most intense Trump Trump Loyalist online and you'd be their mirror image.

    I dont appreciate people making untrue claims against me.


  • #7359
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    According to you and other posters my credibility was gone the second I said I support Trump and that I'd vote for him over Biden.

    Your credibility is not out the door when voting for trump. Its the flawed reasoning as to why you vote for trump that could have an effect on your credibility.


  • #7360
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Please provide evidence for this claim you have made against me or apologise.

    The evidence is available all throughout this thread and other Trump threads the hatred for Trump and his supporters is easy for everyone to see.

    You can't be a decent human being and a Trump supporter only Biden supporters are good people.


  • #7361
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    weisses wrote: »
    Your credibility is not out the door when voting for trump. Its the flawed reasoning as to why you vote for trump that could have an effect on your credibility.

    Is there any reason that voting for Trump is not flawed in your opinion?


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  • #7362
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,101 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I have yet to see a reason for voting for Trump that isn't flawed. I don't hate people that voted for Trump, what I dislike is that when the facts are presented to them that they refuse to accept them and look to blame others.

    I cannot see why anyone would vote for Trump alfter he presided over the Covid 19 response and the soon to be dead 200k Americans. That anyone would even contemplate voting for such a failed individual, never mind all the other nonsense, is IMO a deleliction of their duty to protect the country and their fellow citizens.

    From a wider world context, he had undoubtedly made things worse in terms of the climate change response, international cooperation.


  • #7363
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »

    You can't be a decent human being and a Trump supporter only Biden supporters are good people.

    There must be some out there! :pac:

    But seriously, I think its fair to question "goodness" of someone who happily votes for someone who is themselves morally questionable (and that is an accurate statement because his morality has been questioned).

    The bigger issue is that in a two party system, a lot of people will be forced to vote for a candidate they may see as questionable because for them its the lesser of two evils. An endorsement for Trump or Biden is not necessarily that, but more 'not an endorsement' for the other guy.


  • #7364
    weisses
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,781 ✭✭✭weisses


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Is there any reason that voting for Trump is not flawed in your opinion?

    Again ... Anyone is free to vote for the man that in itself cannot be considered "flawed" imo, however many of the reasons used as to why Trump is their man are flawed and wont hold in an honest debate ... as is shown on various threads on boards


  • #7365
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,899 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    The evidence is available all throughout this thread and other Trump threads the hatred for Trump and his supporters is easy for everyone to see.

    You can't be a decent human being and a Trump supporter only Biden supporters are good people.

    You made a claim specifically about me, either back up your claim with evidence or retract your claim/lie and delete the post.

    If you wish I can report the offending post and let mods deal with it but I would prefer not to go that route.


  • #7366
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    CNN and MSNBC you gotta keep an eye on what the opposition are saying.
    Sorry, I mean sites that are generally considered left wing and not part of the mainstream media. Which openly left wing sites do you check for legitimate news stories?


  • #7367
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,905 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Trump has always been ahead in iowa

    https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/iowa/

    His lead this cycle is less than half of what it was at the same point in 2016 as well - 1.7% RCP average vs 4.3% in 2016


  • #7368
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    Sorry, I mean sites that are generally considered left wing and not part of the mainstream media. Which openly left wing sites do you check for legitimate news stories?

    itsgoingdown.org

    roarmag.org

    theintercept.com


  • #7369
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    If you wish I can report the offending post and let mods deal with it but I would prefer not to go that route.

    Mod: quit trying to strong-arm a response/reaction this way. If you have a problem with a post, report it. Otherwise debate or ignore it.


  • #7370
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    That anyone would even contemplate voting for such a failed individual, never mind all the other nonsense, is IMO a deleliction of their duty to protect the country and their fellow citizens.

    And what if a person believes that Biden being president for the next 4 years presents a bigger threat to the future of America than trump does.

    Would that same person not feel as though it would be a dereliction of their duty to protect their country and fellow citizens by voting for Biden?


  • #7371
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,960 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    And what if a person believes that Biden being president for the next 4 years presents a bigger threat to the future of America than trump does.

    Would that same person not feel as though it would be a dereliction of their duty to protect their country and fellow citizens by voting for Biden?

    take a look at america and tell me they are better off than 4 years ago.


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  • #7372
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,614 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    YouTuber livestreams himself taking poop on Nancy Pelosi's driveway

    What disgusting people.


  • #7373
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    weisses wrote: »
    Again ... Anyone is free to vote for the man that in itself cannot be considered "flawed" imo, however many of the reasons used as to why Trump is their man are flawed and wont hold in an honest debate ... as is shown on various threads on boards

    If a person believes that he has lived up to his previous campaign promise of Making America Great Again and they believe that he will continue to keep America Great or at least do a better job than Biden of doing so.

    Is that reasoning flawed?


  • #7374
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,960 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    If a person believes that he has lived up to his previous campaign promise of Making America Great Again and they believe that he will continue to keep America Great or at least do a better job than Biden of doing so.

    Is that reasoning flawed?

    has he made america great again? in what way has he done that? i can think of nearly 200,000 americans who would disagree with you


  • #7375
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    take a look at america and tell me they are better off than 4 years ago.

    That is very subjective and would be based on whatever method a person would use to measure whether there has been an improvement for them or not


  • #7376
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,960 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    That is very subjective and would be based on whatever method a person would use to measure whether there has been an improvement for them or not

    well it is definitely worse for 200,000 people. plus the millions now unemployed are not too impressed.


  • #7377
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    has he made america great again? in what way has he done that? i can think of nearly 200,000 americans who would disagree with you

    Since President Trump took office, over 2.4 million Americans have been lifted out of poverty.

    Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans have reached record lows.

    Since President Trump’s election, nearly 7 million Americans have been lifted off of food stamps.

    Are they not good things that have happened while Trump has been president?


  • #7378
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    well it is definitely worse for 200,000 people. plus the millions now unemployed are not too impressed.

    There's no denying that up until the pandemic struck the economy was doing well and there was record low unemployment levels for a number of groups.


  • #7379
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,960 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Since President Trump took office, over 2.4 million Americans have been lifted out of poverty.

    Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans have reached record lows.

    Since President Trump’s election, nearly 7 million Americans have been lifted off of food stamps.

    Are they not good things that have happened while Trump has been president?

    source for all of that? what about the millions unemployed? have you forgotten them? have you forgotten that trump knew how serious Covid was and did nothing about it?


  • #7380
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    source for all of that? what about the millions unemployed? have you forgotten them? have you forgotten that trump knew how serious Covid was and did nothing about it?

    It's a bit outdated but still relevant IMO.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-delivered-record-breaking-results-american-people-first-three-years-office/

    The pandemic has hit every country so we can't lay all the blame for the unemployment levels on Trump.

    Sure he could have handled it better but I believe that he would have done a better job than Biden would have and that Trump is a lot more capable of running the county for the next 4 years than Biden is.


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  • #7381
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    That is very subjective and would be based on whatever method a person would use to measure whether there has been an improvement for them or not

    And that is the problem when you campaign solely on a bunch of slogans (and its not exclusively trumps domain)


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