FF/FG/Green Next Government

James Brown · 12-09-2020 01:20PM

Well a FG representative gleefully commenting on how LV allegedly played MM. Some partners. Country first my hole. Stay classy FG.

Also must be noted as per usual the recommendations given after the Clery's disgrace weren't taken up and now we've similar with Debenhams. I can see FG being FG favouring the side of anyone but the tax paying workers, even LV spinning lies about there being no money. But FF could pipe up for the workers surely? Someone nudge Eamo.

JohnnyFlash · 12-09-2020 01:26PM

Bowie wrote: »

Well a FG representative gleefully commenting on how LV allegedly played MM. Some partners. Country first my hole. Stay classy FG.

Also must be noted as per usual the recommendations given after the Clery's disgrace weren't taken up and now we've similar with Debenhams. I can see FG being FG favouring the side of anyone but the tax paying workers, even LV spinning lies about there being no money. But FF could pipe up for the workers surely? Someone nudge Eamo.

It isn't the job of Government to be getting involved in every redundancy payment dispute. You are stunningly politically naive for a lad who spends about 18 hours a day giving out about politics. You think everything in the country can be micromanaged, that there's infinite amounts of money to solve everything, and that some sort of socialist utopia is going to improve the lot of the citizens of a country that is ranked 3rd in the world in the UN Human Development Index.

James Brown · 12-09-2020 03:59PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It isn't the job of Government to be getting involved in every redundancy payment dispute. You are stunningly politically naive for a lad who spends about 18 hours a day giving out about politics. You think everything in the country can be micromanaged, that there's infinite amounts of money to solve everything, and that some sort of socialist utopia is going to improve the lot of the citizens of a country that is ranked 3rd in the world in the UN Human Development Index.

I agree. However they could have brought in legislation to help all parties avoid such things.
Also what the **** is Leo doing telling lies? If he's not supposed to be getting involved?

No thoughts for middle Ireland huh John?

dundalkfc10 · 12-09-2020 04:57PM

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.breakingnews.ie/ireland/martin-hits-back-after-criticism-that-varadkar-running-rings-around-him-1016635.html

Once again the Pintman calls it right. I said it from Day 1 that Varadkar would be playing Martin like a fiddle. If you want astute and accurate political insights, look to the Pintman, and look no further.

FF walked in to that trap like ****e to a fly. Excellent realpolitik and gamesmanship from the professionals, Fine Gael.

Next up a catastrophe of a left leaning coalition followed by 2 more successful terms for Fine Gael. You can take that to the bank.

You call their 2 terms successful, that successful it led then to their worst election results in decades?

12-09-2020 06:22PM

Bowie wrote: »

I agree. However they could have brought in legislation to help all parties avoid such things.
Also what the **** is Leo doing telling lies? If he's not supposed to be getting involved?

No thoughts for middle Ireland huh John?

There’s already legislation in place to guarantee workers a fair redundancy payment. Debenhams workers are getting this. In their greed, they’re showing total lack of consideration to others who are owed money. They are also making themselves unemployable by their actions.

James Brown · 12-09-2020 09:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There’s already legislation in place to guarantee workers a fair redundancy payment. Debenhams workers are getting this. in their greed, they’re showing total lack of consideration to others who are owed money. They are also making themselves unemployable by their actions.

Well there you have it. Workers protesing looking for what they believe they are due are just greedy. The other creditors, do you have details? How do you know they're not 'greedy'?
A part of the recommendations was to protect all parties in this kind of situation. One being enabling the state to chase up assets transferred. They didn't bother.
LV got involved. LV lied or was ignorant of the facts which begs the question why he made the claim there was no money there, (at all, for anyone) when there is?

An Ciarraioch · 12-09-2020 09:38PM

Consistent with other recent polls, it appears FF are being squeezed by both FG and SF:

https://twitter.com/alanrantwell/status/1304845692184268801

As for the smaller parties, Labour are in the doldrums, the Greens will be satisfied, and the Soc Dems indiifferent.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 13-09-2020 07:14AM

Unsurprisingly FG are the most popular party in the country. A ringing endorsement.

Brendan Bendar · 13-09-2020 07:22AM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Consistent with other recent polls, it appears FF are being squeezed by both FG and SF:

https://twitter.com/alanrantwell/status/1304845692184268801

As for the smaller parties, Labour are in the doldrums, the Greens will be satisfied, and the Soc Dems indiifferent.

Squeezed by themselves and their idiotic cavemen I would opine.

MacSharry, Cowen, O’Caoimh, O’Dea, and others....

These coins have done a lot of damage and it’s showing.

MM should have taken action earlier.

13-09-2020 08:13AM

Bowie wrote: »

Well there you have it. Workers protesing looking for what they believe they are due are just greedy. The other creditors, do you have details? How do you know they're not 'greedy'?
A part of the recommendations was to protect all parties in this kind of situation. One being enabling the state to chase up assets transferred. They didn't bother.
LV got involved. LV lied or was ignorant of the facts which begs the question why he made the claim there was no money there, (at all, for anyone) when there is?

They ARE getting what they are due! They are also devaluing the stock by their actions. The goods are now outdated.

Imagine if you were a supplier, owed €10,000. Would you be happy to accept less just so former workers can get over and above their legal entitlement?

smurgen · 13-09-2020 09:39AM

Bowie wrote: »

Well there you have it. Workers protesing looking for what they believe they are due are just greedy. The other creditors, do you have details? How do you know they're not 'greedy'?
A part of the recommendations was to protect all parties in this kind of situation. One being enabling the state to chase up assets transferred. They didn't bother.
LV got involved. LV lied or was ignorant of the facts which begs the question why he made the claim there was no money there, (at all, for anyone) when there is?

It would be interesting to know if Debenhams ireland made any payments to the parent company just before or during the liquidation process.

Brendan Bendar · 13-09-2020 10:46AM

smurgen wrote: »

It would be interesting to know if Debenhams ireland made any payments to the parent company just before or during the liquidation process.

I’m surprised that you don’t know that already.

McMurphy · 13-09-2020 11:46AM

I seen a few clips of Simon Coveney handing Andrew Marr his ass this morning, fair play to him, he is no soft tyre is Simon.

Here's the gist of it.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1305063584926445568?s=19

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2020 11:58AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I seen a few clips of Simon Coveney handing Andrew Marr his ass this morning, fair play to him, he is no soft tyre is Simon.

Here's the gist of it.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1305063584926445568?s=19

In fairness, handing anyone saying what Marr was their ass, was a fairly simple mornings work.

Truthvader · 13-09-2020 12:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They ARE getting what they are due! They are also devaluing the stock by their actions. The goods are now outdated.

Imagine if you were a supplier, owed €10,000. Would you be happy to accept less just so former workers can get over and above their legal entitlement?

As before either Bowie doesn't understand the process or else he is following the standard Sinn Fein strategy of championing "the workers" regardless of truth or facts as part of the sleazy populist strategy to con thickos into voting for them on the "free houses and money for everyone" promise. They certainly will "break the free state" if let. And the big losers will be the very "workers" who vote for them when they find that all the jobs are gone because investors no longer want to risk their money in a trick shop failed state

JohnnyFlash · 13-09-2020 12:00PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

In fairness, handing anyone saying what Marr was their ass, was a fairly simple mornings work.

Be a complicated afternoon’s work trying to figure out what you’re trying to say, Francie.

I get the feeling the gist of it is - he didn’t actually do well because he’s a FG politician.

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2020 12:02PM

Truthvader wrote: »

As before either Bowie doesn't understand the process or else he is following the standard Sinn Fein strategy of championing "the workers" regardless of truth or facts as part of the sleazy populist strategy to con thickos into voting for them on the "free houses and money for everyone" promise. They certainly will "break the free state" if let. And the big losers will be the very "workers" who vote for them when they find that all the jobs are gone because investors no longer want to risk their money in a trick shop failed state

Psst...these people have LOST their jobs.

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2020 12:04PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Be a complicated afternoon’s work trying to figure out what you’re trying to say, Francie.

I get the feeling the gist of it is - he didn’t actually do well because he’s a FG politician.

Actually, as someone who has praised Coveney's work on Brexit. It was Marr and any British person saying what he was, I was critiquing.

You'll put your eye out kneejerking in defence like that Johnny

Truthvader · 13-09-2020 12:11PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Psst...these people have LOST their jobs.

Pssst in a normal economy people are not entitled to the same job forever. That only happens to "community activists" in Belfast benefitting from Sinn Fein IRA extortion. Back in the real world business's come and go, people move up and move on, learn new skills, change jobs, start new business's.

Except when a state collapses and no-one wants to risk their capital. Then there is no new opportunity to go to

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2020 12:16PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Pssst in a normal economy people are not entitled to the same job forever. That only happens to "community activists" in Belfast benefitting from Sinn Fein IRA extortion. Back in the real world business's come and go, people move up and move on, learn new skills, change jobs, start new business's.

Except when a state collapses and no-one wants to risk their capital. Then there is no new opportunity to go to

I'm all for businesses coming and going Truth, but not if they are trampling on people with the connivance of those in power.

Your scaremongering 'the state will collapse' protection racket is as bad as political connivance with big business. Calm down lad or lassie.

13-09-2020 12:26PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Psst...these people have LOST their jobs.

And are getting the legal amount of redundancy payment.

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2020 12:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And are getting the legal amount of redundancy payment.

Which they dispute.

13-09-2020 12:29PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Which they dispute.

Why? Because they’re greedy. They’re doing themselves a disservice by continuing their action. Who would employ them after this?

Truthvader · 13-09-2020 12:30PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm all for businesses coming and going Truth, but not if they are trampling on people with the connivance of those in power.

Your scaremongering 'the state will collapse' protection racket is as bad as political connivance with big business. Calm down lad or lassie.

Who is being trampled on? Debenhams went bust. Everyone lost. Workers do better than anyone else as preferential creditors (with the added guarantee of the insolvency fund)

Problem seems to be that as with many populist idealogues you are frantically trying to sell the idea that some chosen group (the workers" in this case) are entitled to money but with no conception of where this money is to come from or who it belongs to.

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2020 12:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Why? Because they’re greedy. They’re doing themselves a disservice by continuing their action. Who would employ them after this?

Truthvader wrote: »

Who is being trampled on? Debenhams went bust. Everyone lost. Workers do better than anyone else as preferential creditors (with the added guarantee of the insolvency fund)

Problem seems to be that as with many populist idealogues you are frantically trying to sell the idea that some chosen group (the workers" in this case) are entitled to money but with no conception of where this money is to come from or who it belongs to.

Debenham's who are 'broke' apparently, found another million to offer. Two things strike me about that...are they really 'broke' and why would you offer another Million if you are right?

I am happy to allow the workers protest here and see how it plays out.

13-09-2020 12:40PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Debenham's who are 'broke' apparently, found another million to offer. Two things strike me about that...are they really 'broke' and why would you offer another Million if you are right?

I am happy to allow the workers protest here and see how it plays out.

Debenhams found money at someone else’s expense. BTW They’re not workers. They’ve been made redundant.

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2020 12:41PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Debenhams found money at someone else’s expense. BTW They’re not workers. They’ve been made redundant.

How do you know/trust this info...have you a link verifying it?

Debenham's saying it isn't 'verification' btw.

Truthvader · 13-09-2020 12:46PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Debenham's who are 'broke' apparently, found another million to offer. Two things strike me about that...are they really 'broke' and why would you offer another Million if you are right?

I am happy to allow the workers protest here and see how it plays out.

This is approaching Bowie levels of wilful incomprehension. No-one "found" another million. That is not how the process works. There is a finite amount of money and a liquidator will try to realise the maximum return from the wreckage. And may even give into a bit of extortion in the overall interest of a greater return

Fact remains that the workers are "emtitled" to nothing more than they have already secured. Anything extra comes fro money due to some other creditor in the liquidation. If you feel the workers deserve more why dont you pop down to Jervis Street and give them a couple of hundred Euro. Or is it the case, as ever, that they are entitled to some one elses money. Not yours.

FrancieBrady · 13-09-2020 01:01PM

Truthvader wrote: »

This is approaching Bowie levels of wilful incomprehension. No-one "found" another million. That is not how the process works. There is a finite amount of money and a liquidator will try to realise the maximum return from the wreckage. And may even give into a bit of extortion in the overall interest of a greater return

Fact remains that the workers are "emtitled" to nothing more than they have already secured. Anything extra comes fro money due to some other creditor in the liquidation. If you feel the workers deserve more why dont you pop down to Jervis Street and give them a couple of hundred Euro. Or is it the case, as ever, that they are entitled to some one elses money. Not yours.

I don't 'feel' anything other than they have a right to protest their grievance. Nobody is stopping KPMG taking this into a court.

We'll see.

Truthvader · 13-09-2020 01:16PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I don't 'feel' anything other than they have a right to protest their grievance. Nobody is stopping KPMG taking this into a court.

We'll see.

Hurray! Think we finally agree. KPMG wont go near Court. Firstly they simply dont care about any of the creditors. They're only concern will be their own fees. They know if the go near Court they will just attract attention and aggro from the likes of Bowie, Boyd Barrett and Sinn Fein "activists". Why expose yourself to that? My guess is that they will throw the file under a radiator for 6 months leave " the workers" standing around in the rain for the Winter, write off the value of the stock or sell it at a big discount to a purchaser willing to litigate access or force their way in, pay themselves and distribute any crumbs remaining to whoever is entitled

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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