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Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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  • #812
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Polar101


    owlbethere wrote: »
    The majority of the economy is open now. Surely they could find something else better to do with their time now.

    Lemmings like to march together, what else would they do on a Saturday afternoon.


  • #813
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,216 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    zinfandel wrote: »
    my brother in law died age 42 in March in New Jersey , no underlying conditions, very fit. you really cannot underestimate this. Its a bit like russian roulette, you do not know how it will effect you if you get it.

    I'm sorry to hear that
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  • #814
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,216 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Basq wrote: »
    Two deaths from Covid-19, 159 new cases confirmed
    http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0912/1164846-latest-covid-figures/
    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    Of the 159:
    • 70 men, 89 women
    • 65% are under 45
    • 51% associated with outbreaks or are close contacts of a confirmed case; 23 from community transmission
    • 75 in Dublin, 10 in Louth, 6 in Cork, 6 in Donegal, 6 in Meath, 5 in Laois, 5 in Wexford; remaining 46 in 17 counties

    Community Transmission is high, that's a worry
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  • #815
    robbiezero
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    In Dublin I don't think so

    I'd say 90% of them are open already. I don't know of any pub around D5 that isn't open.


  • #816
    Spanish Eyes
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    There was a quick bit on the news earlier about an anti mask and anti lockdown protest. Didn't they take to the streets not so long ago? Do they have anything better to be doing with their time. Whinging about the lockdown that happened even though it was months ago and what's done is done. The majority of the economy is open now and there's more to open up too ie the pubs. The majority of the economy is open now. Surely they could find something else better to do with their time now.

    Rent a crowd with angry time on their hands. The usual suspects against everything and for nothing constructive. I've no problem with their freedom to protest, but I totally ignore them.


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  • #817
    Spanish Eyes
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    The thing about the Dublin situation and the pubs is that while the pubs are a controlled environment alright, younger people will have to disperse at 11.30pm, but to where? Nothing else open for them to go to anymore after an early enough closing time in their eyes.

    So whether the pubs reopen or not is a moot point IMO, as house parties will still go on after the pubs close, unless people rat on their neighbours and the police actually do something about it. It's not a pleasant thought one way or another, but if the Dublin situation continues to deteriorate, something will have to be done for the sake of everyone who IS trying their best to follow the guidance and protect their families.


  • #818
    igCorcaigh
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    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Over the past 8 weeks, we've had 4908 cases and 113 admitted to hospital in that time frame. So an average of 2.3% needing hospital care.

    Isn't that percentage quite high, given the age group of those cases?


  • #819
    [Deleted User]
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Isn't that percentage quite high, given the age group of those cases?

    Hospitalisation rate for those under 54 is at about 5% for the entire pandemic. And even though the majority of recent cases are younger, there are still older people getting it


  • #820
    BorneTobyWilde
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    Silly to see 100's of people queuing for testing in France, seems all those who test negative will be back next week to test positive from catching it queuing with countless people who had it .


  • #821
    DebDynamite
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The thing about the Dublin situation and the pubs is that while the pubs are a controlled environment alright, younger people will have to disperse at 11.30pm, but to where? Nothing else open for them to go to anymore after an early enough closing time in their eyes.

    So whether the pubs reopen or not is a moot point IMO, as house parties will still go on after the pubs close, unless people rat on their neighbours and the police actually do something about it. It's not a pleasant thought one way or another, but if the Dublin situation continues to deteriorate, something will have to be done for the sake of everyone who IS trying their best to follow the guidance and protect their families.

    Agreed. If you’re out with a group of friends on a Saturday night, you don’t want to go home at 1130, so going back to someone’s house for a few more drinks would be likely to happen. Whereas if closing was pushed out to 1230 or 1am, people would be much happier to call it a night at that and go home.


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  • #822
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1304861738601504768


  • #823
    igCorcaigh
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Hospitalisation rate for those under 54 is at about 5% for the entire pandemic. And even though the majority of recent cases are younger, there are still older people getting it

    OK, that 5% figure is surely an overestimate though, as testing was very limited earlier on.

    At least it's not the 20% as was thought at the very early stages.

    But a figure of 2% hospitalisation is still worrying for health care capacity if there is a big surge in cases.


  • #824
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Isn't that percentage quite high, given the age group of those cases?

    It's about right I think. The 15-24 age range had a hospitalization rate of:
    March: 13.6%
    April: 2.2%
    May: 3.3%
    June: 2.9%
    July: 5.5%
    August: 0.5%
    March is obviously from lack of testing and August is strangely low.

    For reference, 68 admissions in August:
    0-44: 21
    45-64: 12
    65+: 35


  • #825
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Isn’t it peculiar the way information is worded on the government website.
    Example:
    “The Health Protection Surveillance Centre has today been informed that 2 people with COVID-19 have died.“

    It doesn’t say whether the deaths were from Covid-19 or not. It could be that someone died as a result of an accident or from cancer, but happened to test positive for Covid when admitted to hospital or actually got infected in hospital after being admitted to hospital for something else.
    Neither does it say when the deaths occurred. Was it this week or last week or 2 months ago?
    They used to give details about underlying conditions and the age rage of those who died. They don’t do any of that now.

    What we are getting is useless information or even disinformation.


  • #826
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The thing about the Dublin situation and the pubs is that while the pubs are a controlled environment alright, younger people will have to disperse at 11.30pm, but to where? Nothing else open for them to go to anymore after an early enough closing time in their eyes.

    So whether the pubs reopen or not is a moot point IMO, as house parties will still go on after the pubs close, unless people rat on their neighbours and the police actually do something about it. It's not a pleasant thought one way or another, but if the Dublin situation continues to deteriorate, something will have to be done for the sake of everyone who IS trying their best to follow the guidance and protect their families.
    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Agreed. If you’re out with a group of friends on a Saturday night, you don’t want to go home at 1130, so going back to someone’s house for a few more drinks would be likely to happen. Whereas if closing was pushed out to 1230 or 1am, people would be much happier to call it a night at that and go home.

    This. I cannot understand the logic of forcing people out of a pub at 11.30 on a Friday or Saturday night when many will want more scoops. Why not leave it at original 12.30 closing out by 1am in which most (most) will have had enough and go home. Maybe it is non drinkers making up these rules, because they sure as hell don't seem to understand the drinking mentality!


  • #827
    igCorcaigh
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Isn’t it peculiar the way information is worded on the government website.
    Example:
    “The Health Protection Surveillance Centre has today been informed that 2 people with COVID-19 have died.“

    It doesn’t say whether the deaths were from Covid-19 or not. It could be that someone died as a result of an accident or from cancer, but happened to test positive for Covid when admitted to hospital or actually got infected in hospital after being admitted to hospital for something else.
    Neither does it say when the deaths occurred. Was it this week or last week or 2 months ago?
    They used to give details about underlying conditions and the age rage of those who died. They don’t do any of that now.

    What we are getting is useless information or even disinformation.

    What are the chances of a random person who for whatever reason has died, but also happens to have Covid?


  • #828
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    wadacrack wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1304861738601504768

    Masks were touted as the saviour and cure for eradicating coronavirus by many on here a few months ago, citing Sth Korea as an example.

    Now, having mandated masks everywhere, cases going up and up across Europe.

    Not saying they are causing any problems, but they don't seem to be helping much either, considering we got to zero community transmission before without them.


  • #829
    Spanish Eyes
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    I was just talking to my brother, and he said jaysus they should just corral the younger wans in Citywest if they have a house party or are acting the maggot, and leave the rest of us ahem, more mature to enjoy life. We have sacrificed a lot says he.

    I laughed out loud, but WTF, he may have a point going forward. If you have a house party, straight to Citywest for you for fourteen days. OMG.

    I think we are all going a bit doo lally at the moment. And as for those young wans, well they'd want to get a grip and behave very soon. That is tongue in cheek BTW before anyone lights on me.


  • #830
    Roger_007
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    What are the chances of a random person who for whatever reason has died, but also happens to have Covid?

    So why do they say that someone has died with Covid-19. It suggests that they had Covid but that Covid may not have been the cause of death.


  • #831
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,463 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Masks were touted as the saviour and cure for eradicating coronavirus by many on here a few months ago, citing Sth Korea as an example.

    Now, having mandated masks everywhere, cases going up and up across Europe.

    Not saying they are causing any problems, but they don't seem to be helping much either, considering we got to zero community transmission before without them.

    It's really difficult to determine without some carefully designed social experiment.

    I guess that is why mandating masks came so late in the pandemic. There was a fear that they may actually promote spread because of complacency or improper use.

    Has there been any news of the concert experiments in Germany?


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  • #832
    Wolf359f
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Masks were touted as the saviour and cure for eradicating coronavirus by many on here a few months ago, citing Sth Korea as an example.

    Now, having mandated masks everywhere, cases going up and up across Europe.

    Not saying they are causing any problems, but they don't seem to be helping much either, considering we got to zero community transmission before without them.
    Most of the recent cases have been in household settings. I'm willing to bet most people visiting peoples homes would not be wearing a mask, especially if it's a family visit.

    We got cases so low due to a national lockdown, I'd hate to imagine the case numbers if nobody was wearing masks or the hospitalised rate (if viral load plays a key in severity of illness)


  • #833
    Spanish Eyes
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Masks were touted as the saviour and cure for eradicating coronavirus by many on here a few months ago, citing Sth Korea as an example.

    Now, having mandated masks everywhere, cases going up and up across Europe.

    Not saying they are causing any problems, but they don't seem to be helping much either, considering we got to zero community transmission before without them.

    I doubt anyone wears a mask at a house party. :P


  • #834
    wadacrack
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    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Masks were touted as the saviour and cure for eradicating coronavirus by many on here a few months ago, citing Sth Korea as an example.

    Now, having mandated masks everywhere, cases going up and up across Europe.

    Not saying they are causing any problems, but they don't seem to be helping much either, considering we got to zero community transmission before without them.

    Well theirs good evidence that they mitigate the risks with viral load etc. We are seeing a much slower wave this time compared to March. They may be helping. Agree that some people seem like their bulletproof with a mask on.


  • #835
    igCorcaigh
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    Roger_007 wrote: »
    So why do they very say that someone has died with Covid-19. It suggests that they had Covid but that Covid may not have been the cause of death.

    How can someone unequivocally say that Covid caused a death when the person also has underlying conditions?

    But looking at it in a statistical way, it is very suggestive that the virus played a role.

    Most events have multifactorial causes.


  • #836
    ixoy
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    So whether the pubs reopen or not is a moot point IMO, as house parties will still go on after the pubs close, unless people rat on their neighbours and the police actually do something about it. It's not a pleasant thought one way or another, but if the Dublin situation continues to deteriorate, something will have to be done for the sake of everyone who IS trying their best to follow the guidance and protect their families.
    I think you're spot on here and why I find the idea that locking down - basically shutting down abiding businesses - very frustrating because it doesn't address the core problem where people aren't being as careful as they could be.

    I believe that you can still keep restaurants, for example, open or have sports matches if people are careful about how they behave. If you shut them down, it doesn't meant their behaviour is going to get any better - just taken elsewhere. Just a bit of a mental shift could make a big difference.


  • #837
    igCorcaigh
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    ixoy wrote: »
    I think you're spot on here and why I find the idea that locking down - basically shutting down abiding businesses - very frustrating because it doesn't address the core problem where people aren't being as careful as they could be.

    I believe that you can still keep restaurants, for example, open or have sports matches if people are careful about how they behave. If you shut them down, it doesn't meant their behaviour is going to get any better - just taken elsewhere. Just a bit of a mental shift could make a big difference.

    It's such a tricky dillema.

    We know that a total lockdown worked to suppress the spread of the virus.

    We can be confident also that business as usual will result in rapid spread.

    How to find the balance between those two extremes is hugely difficult. I'm glad it's not my decision to make.


  • #838
    US2
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    Do they give the median age of deaths or people in ICU anymore? If not why not


  • #839
    jackboy
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    The mask wearing strategy for suppressing the virus seems to have failed. The lockdown worked but that is unsustainable in the long run. So, a new strategy is needed, either zero Covid or continue with the current measures and let the virus run its course. I haven’t heard of any other strategies.


  • #840
    TonyMaloney
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    It's such a tricky dillema.

    We know that a total lockdown worked to suppress the spread of the virus.

    We can be confident also that business as usual will result in rapid spread.

    How to find the balance between those two extremes is hugely difficult. I'm glad it's not my decision to make.

    It's made even more difficult because it's not a static situation.

    In hindsight I think pubs probably could have opened here at some point over the summer without us experiencing an explosion in cases.

    But it was summer and cases were very, very low. Opening them now as the weather turns and we've significantly higher level of infection is a different kettle of fish.


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  • #841
    speckle
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I was just talking to my brother, and he said jaysus they should just corral the younger wans in Citywest if they have a house party or are acting the maggot, and leave the rest of us ahem, more mature to enjoy life. We have sacrificed a lot says he.

    I laughed out loud, but WTF, he may have a point going forward. If you have a house party, straight to Citywest for you for fourteen days. OMG.

    I think we are all going a bit doo lally at the moment. And as for those young wans, well they'd want to get a grip and behave very soon. That is tongue in cheek BTW before anyone lights on me.


    What about the auld wans that want to party?:D


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