Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

drunkmonkey · 12-09-2020 11:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

They are the only professors in fact based medicine worth listening to?

Show me others using real world data?

drunkmonkey · 12-09-2020 11:40AM

khalessi wrote: »

Who would the vunerable be?

Just look at who it kills. Old sick people are number 1. Protect them as best we can but the majority have nothing to fear.

12-09-2020 11:41AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Show me others using real world data?

Not being one to usually agree with the poster Caveat Emptor, at least 50% of his links are to studies and reports based on real world data, compiled by clinicians and scientists from all around the world.

khalessi · 12-09-2020 11:45AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Just look at who it kills. Old sick people are number 1. Protect them as best we can but the majority have nothing to fear.

WHat about vunerable people who are working? They cant give up work as they have mortgages to pay. What do you suggest they do?

Gruffalux · 12-09-2020 12:06PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Revealed: Strict limits on visitors to family homes will stretch to next year, regardless of Covid-19 infection rate

Five-level plan for living with the virus will remain in place until April

The Irish Independent can reveal that even in the best-case scenario, no more than 10 people from three households will be allowed to visit a family home.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/revealed-strict-limits-on-visitors-to-family-homes-will-stretch-to-next-year-regardless-of-covid-19-infection-rate-39524772.html

That's going to be great fun around Christmas time

Some people love packed houses at Christmas, others dread the whole thing. A quieter Christmas might suit as many people as a hectic Christmas does not suit. So for one year the bijou Christmas people win! I hate that I cannot really travel abroad at Christmas this year - that has been what I like to do. Ah well. Quiet snuggly time at home sounds nice too.

Eod100 · 12-09-2020 12:25PM

jackboy wrote: »

A huge amount of cancers are more preventable than Covid. However, there are few restrictions implemented to save those thousands of lives.

That's a fairly blanket statement. There are vaccinations to prevent certain types. Then changes in lifestyle and public information campaigns promoted for other ones. What other restrictions would you like to see brought in? And either way it doesn't mean there shouldn't be restrictions to prevent covid because it's not either or situation.

drunkmonkey · 12-09-2020 12:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not being one to usually agree with the poster Caveat Emptor, at least 50% of his links are to studies and reports based on real world data, compiled by clinicians and scientists from all around the world.

Too lazy to draw your own conclusions. Poor show.

eigrod · 12-09-2020 12:46PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

HSE Operations report

53 in hosptial as of 8pm. Increase of 2.

7 in ICU 6 of whom are ventilated. No change.

11 cases diagnosed in hosptials today.

2 in Drogheda & Mayo.
1 each in Beaumont, CHI Crumlin, Mater, Portlaoise, Vincent's, Tallaght, UHL.

From a quick look a few discharges across the system today but doesn't appear to be too many additional admissions.

Overall this time last week there was 47 cases in hosptial of which 7 were in ICU. Not a massive change week on week. Certainly lower than had been seen in previous 2 weeks

9 in ICU now. 50 in hospital.

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

drunkmonkey · 12-09-2020 12:52PM

What's going on with this..

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1304556156510261248?s=20

ch750536 · 12-09-2020 12:55PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's not observations, stop trying to brush them off as cranks it's making your look silly when you say something like that about a professor in fact based medicine.

A certain Irish doctor who was trying to break into politics (purposely not naming as I dont want to give them more 'hits') made a statement as 'factual'. I sent her 2 emails from different accounts. One account asked for the source of the fact the other praised her knowledge and asked how I can support her political campaign.

She only responded to the second.

Although she is on paper highly reputable I believe she saw an opportunity and took it whilst placing her morals aside for a little while, which we all do from time to time.

So yes, listen to the 2 doctors, they may be right. Always look for source and motive with anyone that may be looking for the limelight.

JJandthebear · 12-09-2020 12:55PM

Eod100 wrote: »

That's a fairly blanket statement. There are vaccinations to prevent certain types. Then changes in lifestyle and public information campaigns promoted for other ones. What other restrictions would you like to see brought in? And either way it doesn't mean there shouldn't be restrictions to prevent covid because it's not either or situation.

Yep, its a mad argument...because they're are other illnesses out there we shouldn't be bothered/worry about this one.

If I thought say, restricting my movements for a few months would have a positive effect on the level of TB deaths in poorer nations, or cancer numbers in the general populace, I'd be up for it, unfortunately though it wouldn't. I currently have the power to do very little in those cases.

I do however have the means to have an impact (however small) on the spread of this still little understood virus we have now, so I'll probably do that.

podgeandrodge · 12-09-2020 12:57PM

seanb85 wrote: »

..............
Crowd control in pubs, there are literally thousands of unemployed security staff right now, they could be hired to monitor pubs (independent of the establishment) and ensure distancing and capacity are being adhered to. It seems ridiculous to expect the Gardai to continue doing this, taking up a lot of their time.

I can imagine how that would work out alright! Having your friendly bouncer wandering around pubs to enforce distancing would result in some close contact that wouldn't end well.

drunkmonkey · 12-09-2020 01:03PM

ch750536 wrote: »

A certain Irish doctor who was trying to break into politics (purposely not naming as I dont want to give them more 'hits') made a statement as 'factual'. I sent her 2 emails from different accounts. One account asked for the source of the fact the other praised her knowledge and asked how I can support her political campaign.

She only responded to the second.

Although she is on paper highly reputable I believe she saw an opportunity and took it whilst placing her morals aside for a little while, which we all do from time to time.

So yes, listen to the 2 doctors, they may be right. Always look for source and motive with anyone that may be looking for the limelight.

Sounds like you talking about, healthy people don't need to wear a mask Luke O'Neill there.
I wouldn't take anyone's word in this without them providing data to back it up.

fritzelly · 12-09-2020 01:05PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What's going on with this..

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1304556156510261248?s=20

Did you read beyond the first sentence?

drunkmonkey · 12-09-2020 01:08PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Did you read beyond the first sentence?

I did but I'm not sure if I'm taking it up correctly, NPHET haven't a beans?

DevilsHaircut · 12-09-2020 01:13PM

It's not been deleted but moved to the correct NPHET section (April/May).

Together with Paul Cullen's and Diarmuid Ferriter's articles today/yesterday, and George Lee's one using out-of-date hub ED data, Irish journalism is really at a low.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/691330-national-public-health-emergency-team-covid-19-coronavirus/#documents-from-meetings-in-april

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1304556156510261248

drunkmonkey · 12-09-2020 01:16PM

The Times are starting to change their tune thankfully. The mask is slipping on this terror campaign.

Roots 2020 · 12-09-2020 01:17PM

How's the beer coming along..brewing up a storm?

12-09-2020 01:31PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The Times are starting to change their tune thankfully. The mask is slipping on this terror campaign.

As is typical of Irish journalism, they are asking the question after the facts have moved on. Deaths are now arising, icu cases are now increasing meaning that even though it’s not near as bad as feared earlier on in the pandemic, there is still very serious consequences for a non trivial percentage of those who get the virus

Oranage2 · 12-09-2020 01:33PM

Roots 2020 wrote: »

How's the beer coming along..brewing up a storm?

Probably need a big number to stop the liverpool fans causing trouble later

drunkmonkey · 12-09-2020 01:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As is typical of Irish journalism, they are asking the question after the facts have moved on. Deaths are now arising, icu cases are now increasing meaning that even though it’s not near as bad as feared earlier on in the pandemic, there is still very serious consequences for a non trivial percentage of those who get the virus

In fairness to them there reporting on the current situation and finally giving a voice to the counter position which may get us back to normal a lot sooner than a lot of people think.
Have you read the article in the Irish times by Dr Martin Feeley, clinical director of the Dublin Midlands Hospital Group.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/draconian-restrictions-around-covid-19-condemned-by-hse-doctor-1.4352701?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR186UWrBh7PlJK-eI_aDk6Xgrwjera4eAcpiTexTlN0bUuazwwZw3nWU28

"Dr Farrell argues that excess mortality from Covid-19 is “not very much greater” than the excess mortality observed during the 2018 flu season.

Most people are already immune to the virus, due to cross-immunity from prior coronaviruses, while the wearing of masks is an ineffective “politically driven endeavour”, they say."

Were on our way out of this, I think Leo is really playing MM, he was on earlier playing commander and chief saying he'll lock Dublin down. He's been set up, there's enough evidence for Leo to know this is pretty much over now.

bodhrandude · 12-09-2020 01:49PM

It looks like covid has claimed one of our reggae greats Toots Hibbert from Toots & the Maytals, sad news. https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2020/0912/1164771-reggae-legend-frederick-toots-hibbert-dies-aged-77/?fbclid=IwAR2vhoZvlMwv9ggKJeTMIFzogzytbwOSb6OLABqQUtlyLPIDG4Xb0Tklkjc

mountgomery burns · 12-09-2020 01:54PM

These recommendations will have little impact in general on people who want to hold something like a christening or one off event. Which is probably what they are designed to curtail.

Don't even understand people talking about Christmas, it will have no impact. If people want to see their family they will see them.

The only people who will be impacted by at are those who are worried and seeking direction from government at present. And to be honest, those people aren't causing the spread. The household guidance and restrictions are not enforced by law.

Personally thinking they should be trying to create event by the sporting, musical, theatrical or other leisure activities outdoors with decent capacities based on suitability of the venue. I'm not sure exactly how many but several hundred to a thousand anyway I think. Restricting all these things are basically like a stay at home order under another guise, or at the very least a stay indoors order which makes no sense.

But they are probably to busy worrying that people might share a lift together, as if they can actually do anything about that.

12-09-2020 01:59PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

In fairness to them there reporting on the current situation and finally giving a voice to the counter position which may get us back to normal a lot sooner than a lot of people think.
Have you read the article in the Irish times by Dr Martin Feeley, clinical director of the Dublin Midlands Hospital Group.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/draconian-restrictions-around-covid-19-condemned-by-hse-doctor-1.4352701?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR186UWrBh7PlJK-eI_aDk6Xgrwjera4eAcpiTexTlN0bUuazwwZw3nWU28

"Dr Farrell argues that excess mortality from Covid-19 is “not very much greater” than the excess mortality observed during the 2018 flu season.

Most people are already immune to the virus, due to cross-immunity from prior coronaviruses, while the wearing of masks is an ineffective “politically driven endeavour”, they say."

Were on our way out of this, I think Leo is really playing MM, he was on earlier playing commander and chief saying he'll lock Dublin down. He's been set up, there's enough evidence for Leo to know this is pretty much over now.

Because the eminent Dr Feely is a doctor does not make him right.

Look at the excess mortality from March through June. It is nothing like anything seen in a flu season.
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

We actually have a mortality deficit since, which in part is down to less communicable diseases as a result of lockdown, but also reduced heart attacks due and accidental death, and a small amount of folks having died a few months earlier than expected due to covid

12-09-2020 02:06PM

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Deleted User wrote: »

Because the eminent Dr Feely is a doctor does not make him right.

Look at the excess mortality from March through June. It is nothing like anything seen in a flu season.
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

We actually have a mortality deficit since, which in part is down to less communicable diseases as a result of lockdown, but also reduced heart attacks due and accidental death, and a small amount of folks having died a few months earlier than expected due to covid

Yes but 2019 was a very mild winter.

Covid unfortunately hit these people hard.

The word I have heard used is dry tinder.

My own gp told me this re: deaths back in May.

A lot of medical people are saying covid was an epidemic back in March-May as it is more transmissible than flu and susceptible population due to low excess deaths in 2019.

Flu is a actually more dangerous for younger people than covid.

I wonder if we could show how many people are in hospital for colds/ flus at present and how many deaths are attributed to these.

Would be good to get balance.

At the moment one case of covid gets more attention than any other illness/death occurring.

Gael23 · 12-09-2020 02:13PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Revealed: Strict limits on visitors to family homes will stretch to next year, regardless of Covid-19 infection rate

Five-level plan for living with the virus will remain in place until April

The Irish Independent can reveal that even in the best-case scenario, no more than 10 people from three households will be allowed to visit a family home.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/revealed-strict-limits-on-visitors-to-family-homes-will-stretch-to-next-year-regardless-of-covid-19-infection-rate-39524772.html

That's going to be great fun around Christmas time

The Gardai cannot enter a private home without a warrant so the courts will be busy on Christmas Day

drunkmonkey · 12-09-2020 02:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Because the eminent Dr Feely is a doctor does not make him right.

That's the 3rd doctor today you've dismissed and there more than just your average country GP. The penny has to drop at some stage you may be misinterpreting the situation and people on the ground involved with treating parentis could be correct.

12-09-2020 02:20PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's the 3rd doctor today you've dismissed and there more than just your average country GP. The penny has to drop at some stage you may be misinterpreting the situation and people on the ground involved with treating parentis could be correct.

Only 3 doctors on the ground treating people? And the good dr Feeley is a clinical director. It’s probably a while since he actually treated someone

drunkmonkey · 12-09-2020 02:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Only 3 doctors on the ground treating people? And the good dr Feeley is a clinical director. It’s probably a while since he actually treated someone

You dismissed Professor Carl earlier and he's still practicing weekly, now we're knocking the clinical director. I'd assume he sticks his head in the door and has an idea what's happening.
You have to stop finding reason to ignore professionals. Why your hell bent on following the misery guts brigade is beyond me.
Were on the road back to Normal, hold on tight.

arrianalexander · 12-09-2020 02:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

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Yes but 2019 was a very mild winter.

Covid unfortunately hit these people hard.

The word I have heard used is dry tinder.

My own gp told me this re: deaths back in May.

A lot of medical people are saying covid was an epidemic back in March-May as it is more transmissible than flu and susceptible population due to low excess deaths in 2019.

Flu is a actually more dangerous for younger people than covid.

I wonder if we could show how many people are in hospital for colds/ flus at present and how many deaths are attributed to these.

Would be good to get balance.

At the moment one case of covid gets more attention than any other illness/death occurring.

Flu season hasn't kicked in yet so the number would be very low to zero I'd imagine

I see your point and when flu season kicks in there would be nice to see a comparison

(As with other illnesses)

As for young people and the flu been more dangerous. For those who are infected with coivid and are affected, they will probably (imo) have longer effects of it v a long dose of a flu.

I live with someone who is in their early 30s (not sure if that's regarded a young )

Had the aussie flu few years back and was knocked for two weeks , I had it aswell. (It was then I learnt the big difference between a cold and a flu)
Took another two weeks before she felt ok again so in total a month.

She contracted coivid in May , was confined to bed for nearly three weeks. And now can't walk up stairs without losing her breathe. Her immune system is now very poor picking up infections quite easily. (The chemist knows us by name now unfortunately)

I hope I don't come across as shooting you down, you had valid points, I was just giving my view and my experience.

Covid 19 Part XXIII-33,444 in ROI(1,792 deaths) 9,541 in NI(577 deaths)(22/09)Read OP

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