Are we really that similar to the Scots?

Hamsterchops · 12-09-2020 12:03AM

We are very different to the Scots, firstly the Scots live on haggis and deep fried Mars Bars and tradition says that we exist on potatoes. They wear Kilts to the supermarket we wear pyjamas, we drink Guinness while the Scots drink Iron Bru. Most Scots also have paler skin, red hair and freckles. They are descended from Vikings and we're descended from the Celts!

Nuff said.

OMM 0000 · 12-09-2020 12:04AM

Hangdogroad wrote: »

To the Yanks they probably sound the same.

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

A lot of Americans don't know the difference between a 'British' accent and and Australian one. Closer subtleties would be lost on them. The (American) actors don't even know.

Holy crap I just looked up the "Scottish" actor and it's a guy from London (Ray Winston) putting on a Scottish accent in what I presume is supposed to be an Irish character. WTF

Onshuh · 12-09-2020 12:07AM

Aye. She's turned the wains against us!!

jmlad2020 · 12-09-2020 12:14AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

We are very different to the Scots, firstly the Scots live on haggis and deep fried Mars Bars and tradition says that we exist on potatoes. They wear Kilts to the supermarket we wear pyjamas, we drink Guinness while the Scots drink Iron Bru. Most Scots also have paler skin, red hair and freckles. They are descended from Vikings and we're descended from the Celts!

Nuff said.

You definitely got an A1 in honours history didn't you

tdf7187 · 12-09-2020 12:20AM

bigar wrote: »

I lived in Scotland for 3 years and there are very few differences.

Largest difference is that Scots are not afraid to show they are pessimistic and self depreciative.

Irish appear to sling the balance totally in the other way but once you live here for a while (15 years and counting), you notice it is all veneer and they feel just as miserable as the Scots but do not allow their true nature coming to the surface.

I'm a wannabe Scotsman and have no problem admitting it. Modern Scots are far less up themselves than the Irish.

Church on Tuesday · 12-09-2020 12:23AM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Didn't the change the three-leafed shamrock for the four-leafed clover on the crest, though?

To honor a first quadruple AFAIK, the Celtic cross, however, has remained a staple in some form on most shirts throughout the years.

Charles Babbage · 12-09-2020 12:44AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I don't know any more to fill in the etc etc.

Adams?

bobbyy gee · 12-09-2020 05:29AM

Picts and gaels
https://www.ancient-origins.net/human-origins-folklore/picts-gaels-scots-exploring-mysterious-mythical-021949

whisky_galore · 12-09-2020 06:05AM

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

This ****e bores me...

A refreshing change from fcukin Brits-this and bloody English-that.

Dempo1 · 12-09-2020 07:16AM

I lived and worked in Scotland and Wales & I've have to say we are far more like the people from Wales, infact I don't think we have much in common with the Scots at all, albeit I had excellent experience of both, as an aside Edinburgh was actually the Place I have to say had the most Rudest people I ever met or encountered worldwide, Glasgow the complete opposite. But if you ever want to meet the funniest, craziest and Genuine people, Swansea and more specifically the Mumbles, just outside is the place to go and actually not unlike the Dingle Penisula in terms of scenery.

Granadino · 12-09-2020 07:23AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

I lived and worked in Scotland and Wales & I've have to say we are far more like the people from Wales, infact I don't think we have much in common with the Scots at all, albeit I had excellent experience of both, as an aside Edinburgh was actually the Place I have to say had the most Rudest people I ever met or encountered worldwide, Glasgow the complete opposite. But if you ever want to meet the funniest, craziest and Genuine people, Swansea and more specifically the Mumbles, just outside is the place to go and actually not unlike the Dingle Penisula in terms of scenery.

I found people in Edinburgh to be polite and helpful the many times I’ve been there

cj maxx · 12-09-2020 07:35AM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

No, Scots (and Ulster Scots) are West Germanic languages - sister languages (or dialects, depending on who you ask) of English.

Scots Gallic and gaelige are spelt slightly differently . 2 dialects of what is basically the same language .
Spread to Scotland from Ireland I believe. Ulster Scots as a language just seems to be English spelt phonetically and not a true language at all

Onshuh · 12-09-2020 07:35AM

This is the best thing to come out of Scotland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKfAjlW6E30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkuWrmxN7hg

MaccaTacca · 12-09-2020 07:52AM

Godot. wrote: »

I always hear about 'Celtic brotherhood' but in reality...

They were culturally Protestant, we were Catholic.
They were huge beneficiaries from Empire, we were a colony.
They love the Queen.
Ulster Scots never integrated properly with the native Irish and are the reason our island is partitioned.
Irish immigration to Glasgow caused huge tensions in the 19th century.
They have the largest Orange Order membership outside Northern Ireland.

*drops mic*

One of the biggest myths ever is that the Scots like us and our 'Celtic' brothers.

They are the root cause of many of Northern Ireland's problems and have been biggoted to Irish immigrants for hundreds of years.

Dont even get me started on the Welsh.

MaccaTacca · 12-09-2020 07:53AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The difference is who hates England more.

Certianly not the statelet that voted to remain part of it...

amadangomor · 12-09-2020 07:56AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I have noticed that a lot of the surnames associated with gangland around the country have planter surnames - Parker, Hutch, Capper, Davis, Little, Molyneaux etc etc.

Probably some of that but was reading about how in Leinster and in particular in the Pale Irish people anglicised their names in a more extreme way.

Probably made sense for economic reasons. Very few Mc names left in Leinster when there would have been plenty before this.

One example was Matthews where it sounds very English but was originally Mac Mathúna or another similar Gaelic name.

12-09-2020 07:58AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

The people down the south of Scotland are rather like people from Northern Ireland - bitter, dour, quick to anger, stubborn.

The people from the Highlands are much more like people from the West of Ireland - witty, modest, patient, proud of their culture and traditions.

Didn't take long to roll out the old tropes. Well done you.

JohnnyFlash · 12-09-2020 08:48AM

circadian wrote: »

Didn't take long to roll out the old tropes. Well done you.

What tropes? Before you ask it has nothing to do with either group of ‘them’uns’ up North. Anyone who has any dealings with the Nordie knows it doesn’t matter what ‘side’ they are on. The vast majority of people up there are belligerent, sour, mean-spirited, ‘agricultural’, and pretty stupid as well.

Characteristics not uncommon in the southern Scot either to be honest. I mean Celtic vs Rangers shows how backward these people are. Such venom, hatred, and stupidity shown as their fans watch absolutely atrocious hoof ball while singing songs about 500 years ago.

tigerboon · 12-09-2020 08:51AM

MaccaTacca wrote: »

One of the biggest myths ever is that the Scots like us and our 'Celtic' brothers.

The real myth is that they're our "celtic brothers" when in reality a lot of Irish aren't celtic in origin at all. People talk about planter names, anglo names etc. A lot of them are of english origin. They are people who settled here with the various invasions throughout the centuries. The older anglo norman families tend to be catholic due to the fact that the reformation hadn't yet happened when they arrived. Later you had the planter families and a lot of working class protestant families some of who would be Cromwell's soldiers. Anglo type names would be more common in the east and south east because that's where they would have invaded from. A lot of us have absolutly nothing in common with the scots

Kylta · 12-09-2020 09:08AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

We are very different to the Scots, firstly the Scots live on haggis and deep fried Mars Bars and tradition says that we exist on potatoes. They wear Kilts to the supermarket we wear pyjamas, we drink Guinness while the Scots drink Iron Bru. Most Scots also have paler skin, red hair and freckles. They are descended from Vikings and we're descended from the Celts!

Nuff said.

Their were tribes in scotland and ireland before the the celts and the vikings. Who said were celts anyway? We think we celts, but were is the proof? Next ill here Cu Chulainn was an irish hero?

Gregor Samsa · 12-09-2020 09:10AM

cj maxx wrote: »

Scots Gallic and gaelige are spelt slightly differently . 2 dialects of what is basically the same language .
Spread to Scotland from Ireland I believe. Ulster Scots as a language just seems to be English spelt phonetically and not a true language at all

Ulster Scots is a dialect of Scots - which is very closely related to English. There’s a never-ending debate (largely political) about whether it’s a language in its own right, or dialect of English. There’s a bit more to it than just English spelled phonetically, as it has its own vocabulary and some different rules. It has 4 dialects of its own, including Ulster Scots.

Scots is not to be confused with Scottish Gaelic (Scots Gaelic as you referred to it). They’re two completely different languages. Scottish Gaelic descended from Old Irish, as did our Modern Irish - but one is not a dialect of the other - they share a common origin, like the way Dutch and Modern German do. They’re different enough to be separate languages, although there is some mutual intelligibility.

So you have Scots - which is a West Germanic language related to English, and Scottish Gaelic - an Insular Celtic language related to Irish. The reason linguists usually don’t call it “Scots Gaelic” is to avoid confusion with “Scots” as they’re very different languages.

amadangomor · 12-09-2020 09:34AM

Kylta wrote: »

Their were tribes in scotland and ireland before the the celts and the vikings. Who said were celts anyway? We think we celts, but were is the proof? Next ill here Cu Chulainn was an irish hero?

Exactly. Depends on what Celtic means as it not well defined. Was more an 19th century catch all term for various tribes at different times from Ireland and as far away as Turkey.

My understanding is the Celtic/Gaelic culture was brought by a ruling class and the main population were not ethnically "Celtic".

Interesting to think what language they would have spoken. Was it related to Basque? There are a few words in Irish that have no Indo European roots. Portán for crab and I think Farraige for sea.

Hangdogroad · 12-09-2020 09:50AM

OMM 0000 wrote: »

Holy crap I just looked up the "Scottish" actor and it's a guy from London (Ray Winston) putting on a Scottish accent in what I presume is supposed to be an Irish character. WTF

David O Hara Is the guy with the Scottish accent. Hes Scottish though as his name suggests of Irish descent. Hes played Irish characters before most notably in Braveheart and did a reasonable stab at an Irish accent so dont know why he didn't do so here.

Ray Winstones attempt at a Boston accent is pretty bad mind, good actor in the right role but he cant do accents .

kenmm · 12-09-2020 09:58AM

Generally I find Scotland to be friendly and welcoming and never had any issue any time I've been there. Glasgow is a very underrated city and people would happily help out if you needed something or just seem much more willing to be nice.

Compared with Dublin, night and day of a difference. I think Dublin is often not. People here like to think they are open and welcoming, but not as much as what I see in Scotland.

To those that say it's dour, miserable, has all the sectarian troubles etc - I don't think you've ever been there.

Social problems exist (of course) but they are more associated with poverty and poor areas, not enough means etc

kenmm · 12-09-2020 10:01AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

What tropes? Before you ask it has nothing to do with either group of ‘them’uns’ up North. Anyone who has any dealings with the Nordie knows it doesn’t matter what ‘side’ they are on. The vast majority of people up there are belligerent, sour, mean-spirited, ‘agricultural’, and pretty stupid as well.

Characteristics not uncommon in the southern Scot either to be honest. I mean Celtic vs Rangers shows how backward these people are. Such venom, hatred, and stupidity shown as their fans watch absolutely atrocious hoof ball while singing songs about 500 years ago.

Those tropes I imagine!

There are a minority who have such hatred. But my experience (which is probably more than anyone on here except those who spent there entire life in one of these areas) is vastly different. Have you ever been to any of these places?

This isn't in particular is pretty ignorant
'The vast majority of people up there are belligerent, sour, mean-spirited, ‘agricultural’, and pretty stupid as well. '

kenmm · 12-09-2020 10:05AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

I lived and worked in Scotland and Wales & I've have to say we are far more like the people from Wales, infact I don't think we have much in common with the Scots at all, albeit I had excellent experience of both, as an aside Edinburgh was actually the Place I have to say had the most Rudest people I ever met or encountered worldwide, Glasgow the complete opposite. But if you ever want to meet the funniest, craziest and Genuine people, Swansea and more specifically the Mumbles, just outside is the place to go and actually not unlike the Dingle Penisula in terms of scenery.

Edinburgh is probably the least friendly part of Scotland. A lot if tourism and second homes there. Probably culturally more similar to Dublin with Temple bar. Unfortunately it's the place everyone heads to or people have most experience of when they think of Scotland.

Hamsterchops · 12-09-2020 10:26AM

jmlad2020 wrote: »

You definitely got an A1 in honours history didn't you

Oh, get you laddie :rolleyes:

Nay any room for a bit'a tongue in cheek humour in a Scots-Irish thread? Tartan knickers to you.

Mad_maxx · 12-09-2020 10:28AM

the biggest myth is that sectarianism is limited to Glasgow , the only reason its most prolific there is the number of catholics is tiny outside the cities

gimme the english anyday over that lot

the english adopted protestantism for political reasons and never really gave a tuppence about the theological differences , the Scots went full on fundamentalist calvinist , hence the prejudice experienced by irish immigrants to scotland which was absent in england and wales , the english looked down on us like everyone else but not for anything reformation related

kenmm · 12-09-2020 10:28AM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Oh, get you laddie :rolleyes:

Nay any room for a bit'a tongue in cheek humour in a Scots-Irish thread?

Nah, it's because you said deep fried mars bar. Everyone knows deep fried pizza and haggis are the two main staples.

kenmm · 12-09-2020 10:30AM

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the biggest myth is that sectarianism is limited to Glasgow , the only reason its most prolific there is the number of catholics is tiny outside the cities

gimme the english anyday over that lot

Where did you experience that/ what do you base that on?

Are we really that similar to the Scots?

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