Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Assetbacked wrote: »

Alcohol is diluted poison which is linked to serious physical and mental health issues. Far more harmful to society than covid will ever be. They are just so ignorant when they talk of low volumes in pubs it is comical. NPHET still existing is shocking.

Questions are starting to be asked finally.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/diarmaid-ferriter-we-must-consider-nphet-may-be-wrong-1.4351749

Deleted User wrote: »

You realize there is no way to enforce this though...right?

Yes. Much the same as 95% of the guidelines introduced.

Why should everything need to be enforced?

Are people not capable of following guidelines without the threat of sanction?

I'm not a frequenter of pubs generally but on the odd office night out I have found myself in them I invariably end up coughing from having to raise my voice to be heard over the music and general noise, you definitely have to get closer to people to be heard in the noisy ones so there is some sense to keep background noise as low as possible.

Allinall wrote: »

Yes. Much the same as 95% of the guidelines introduced.
Why should everything need to be enforced?
Are people not capable of following guidelines without the threat of sanction?

Of course not, I mean if you take the case of Sweden where the majority of citizens have followed the rules and then some..

And although we have a very compliant population in Ireland, we also have poor political leadership, mixed messages, contradictory rules, poor communication, a perfect example was the Galway golf outing where those who made the rules one day flouted them the next...

People are fed up, they want clear guidelines, with definite timelines, sound reasoning, full transparency on the science behind it... And example is the €9 pubs as restaurants rule where you can only have a drink if you have a meal, whereas if you go to the UK or most any country in the EU and have a drink without a meal, they made it work.. so there's no reason Ireland can't.

Assetbacked wrote: »

Can you imagine they tried to restrict the number of people exercising in order to prevent the spread of a respiratory illness. It is so insane that I actually think it is something NPHET would advise.

NPHET have not only taken a hammer to the sports competition summer season they've also closed all outlets in which older people have traditionally participated in, Social clubs, outings, Bingo, Church and even the rural pubs where old people would walk to and meet with friends and sup a pint over an hour or so...
This has lead to in particular, older people suffering isolation affecting mental health, loosing the reason a lot of them had to get up out of bed in the morning and meet with friends maybe do some classes to help them with movement etc.

I'm sure we'll eventually see all the figures of people who are in hospital or have passed away due to issues associated with inactivity...

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Of course not, I mean if you take the case of Sweden where the majority of citizens have followed the rules and then some..

And although we have a very compliant population in Ireland, we also have poor political leadership, mixed messages, contradictory rules, poor communication, a perfect example was the Galway golf outing where those who made the rules one day flouted them the next...

People are fed up, they want clear guidelines, with definite timelines, sound reasoning, full transparency on the science behind it... And example is the €9 pubs as restaurants rule where you can only have a drink if you have a meal, whereas if you go to the UK or most any country in the EU and have a drink without a meal, they made it work.. so there's no reason Ireland can't.

What they should have done is allowed pubs who for whom 51% of their income related to food in the previous three years, open similar to restaurants. That would have meant less pubs were able to open, but it would have got rid of this ridiculous €9 substantial meal nonsense.

Whatever you might think about masks, I was travelling on the Luas the odd time before the guidance to wear masks on public transport came in. I would say about 30% were wearing masks the week before the guidance came in. The day the guidance came in? 100% of people wore them.

And while the volume on a tv or on background music sounds pedantic, I believe it is because of the experience in the meat factories. While the staff were issued with PPE, they had to shout above the noise of the machinery, which resulted in the virus spreading far further than they expected.

There is much to deride the government for (not least their dreadful attempts at communication and the very existence of Donnelly) but they got lambasted for the vague guidance they gave to schools, and now their being lambasted for detailed guidance being given to pubs. They can't win on this one.

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/it-absolutely-destroys-you-covid-19-survivor-five-months-later-1.4351767

Of FFS, another scare story of an anonymous person who, according to himself, still suffers long-term effects and they quote him that young people aren't invulnerbale. It is just so pathetic and flies in the face of the data to claim that young people are vulnerable to covid. The "young" people, let's say under 34 years of age, are not vulnerable at all in the vast (not 80%, more like 95%) majority of cases.

I love this gem;



I mean really, are people actually buying into this?

You, and those who thank it, need to cop on and align yourselves with a bit of reality.

That's it, good man, you have me bang to rights.

Tenzor07 wrote: »

NPHET have not only taken a hammer to the sports competition summer season they've also closed all outlets in which older people have traditionally participated in, Social clubs, outings, Bingo, Church and even the rural pubs where old people would walk to and meet with friends and sup a pint over an hour or so...
This has lead to in particular, older people suffering isolation affecting mental health, loosing the reason a lot of them had to get up out of bed in the morning and meet with friends maybe do some classes to help them with movement etc.

I'm sure we'll eventually see all the figures of people who are in hospital or have passed away due to issues associated with inactivity...

Mental health is in tatters. I caught a headline yesterday saying mental health referrals were way up, but didn’t hear the piece

So in vintage Irish politics form a new group is to be set up to fine tune advice from NPHET before it goes to cabinet for approval.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0911/1164672-covid-cases-dept-of-health/

"A new oversight group is to be set up involving stakeholders and Government departments on how to implement NPHET's advice. 

Mr Martin said this group would "fine-tune" the advice and deliver it to the public in a structured way."

Now this may seem like a sensible move in a properly run country. However, this seems like another "air gap" between the government a d any accountability.

Deleted User wrote: »

The hysteria on these threads is hilarious. How many threads are there for lockdown now? Haha

The lockdowns clearly haven't worked.


So the best idea is to demand more lockdown

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The lockdowns clearly haven't worked.


So the best idea is to demand more lockdown

How do you come to that conclusion?




Do you think the virus went on a summer holiday in June and July?

I am not for a second asking\wanting another lockdown it's a very blunt instrument but to say it didn't work in my opinion is incorrect.

John O.Groats wrote: »

Indeed it is with at least 95% of it coming from the heads in the sand covid deniers "it`s just a flu bro" cohort. Ho ho ho.

I also hate the flu comparisons.


The flu is dangerous to all ages