Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings

storker · 10-09-2020 11:31PM

JRant wrote: »

We really really don't being honest. We knew what the restrictions would be, the same as restaurants and other pubs serving food. Now the volume button on the TV is now restricted. Bonkers stuff.

Science stuff, actually. :rolleyes:

sabat · 10-09-2020 11:44PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udJw-CzX7sA

storker wrote: »

Science stuff, actually. :rolleyes:

Quantum Erasure · 10-09-2020 11:51PM

sabat wrote: »

I walked past Arnotts on Abbey St today- you have to wear a mask in the shop but not in the Itsa Bagel which is located...

...in the shop.

Well... I'll let you think about that for a minute,

Happydays2020 · 11-09-2020 05:06AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Dublin, meanwhile haven't won an all Ireland for 68 years

Finally someone has found a positive from this disaster.

JRant · 11-09-2020 05:44AM

Penfailed wrote: »

It's not bonkers though. There's a method in the 'madness'. The reasoning has already been explained up there ^^^

The reasoning has more holes in it than a teabag.

The safe limit for hearing without the need for ear protection is usually 85dB, will this be the limit?

Will it be 70dB, which is about the same as a classroom full of children?

What's the safe level to stop people getting COVID?

You might agree with this, and that's fine, but I would certainly like to see what the required dB level is and more importantly why it is justified to place even more restrictions on people and businesses.

At the moment it seems they are taking an ad-hoc approach to these things while placing ever more restrictions on this country.

Show us why these decisions are being made using actual data rather than the current approach which is more like a strict headteacher barking out orders at the bold students. I don't think that's a big ask when we consider how involved the government are in our day to day lives right now.

JRant · 11-09-2020 05:45AM

storker wrote: »

Science stuff, actually. :rolleyes:

So, science has shown that low volume TVs stop you getting COVID? Tremendous news, surprised it's not being shouted from the rooftops by the WHO.

pjohnson · 11-09-2020 06:44AM

JRant wrote: »

So, science has shown that low volume TVs stop you getting COVID? Tremendous news, surprised it's not being shouted from the rooftops by the WHO.

By any chance do you also ramble about "immunity meals"?

Penfailed · 11-09-2020 07:21AM

JRant wrote: »

So, science has shown that low volume TVs stop you getting COVID? Tremendous news, surprised it's not being shouted from the rooftops by the WHO.

...because shouting is more likely to spread droplets? This is basic stuff lads.

11-09-2020 07:31AM

Penfailed wrote: »

...because shouting is more likely to spread droplets? This is basic stuff lads.

but but but NPHET nazi's.....

CalamariFritti · 11-09-2020 07:39AM

Deleted User wrote: »

but but but NPHET nazi's.....

Its just that the micro management attempts get tiresome. I do get the thinking behind some of that stuff. And please if they must give good guidance on those things. But it becomes ridiculous when you make a stern rule well knowing there isn't a hope of monitoring never mind controlling or enforcing it? And in any case what would that look like. 6 months in prison for having the telly too loud? Nphet need to come back from lala land.

Assetbacked · 11-09-2020 07:40AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Its just that the micro management attempts get tiresome. I do get the thinking behind some of that stuff. And please if they must give good guidance on those things. But it becomes ridiculous when you make a stern rule well knowing there isn't a hope of monitoring never mind controlling or enforcing it.

Alcohol is diluted poison which is linked to serious physical and mental health issues. Far more harmful to society than covid will ever be. They are just so ignorant when they talk of low volumes in pubs it is comical. NPHET still existing is shocking.

CalamariFritti · 11-09-2020 07:45AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Alcohol is diluted poison which is linked to serious physical and mental health issues. Far more harmful to society than covid will ever be. They are just so ignorant when they talk of low volumes in pubs it is comical. NPHET still existing is shocking.

Nphet is an advisory board to the government. They should never had been allowed to appear in front of and speak to the people directly. Now they act like they have direct power. Thats just what we needed, being governed by a bunch of HSE managers wtaf?

JRant · 11-09-2020 07:55AM

Penfailed wrote: »

...because shouting is more likely to spread droplets? This is basic stuff lads.

Are these droplets carrying enough viral load to transmit COVID?

Basic stuff is good hand and cough hygiene, don't go outside if you're feeling unwell, and be respectful of others personal space. Stuff we can and should be constantly reenforcing. Not this pedantic ****e about tv volume levels and the cost of a meal. It's rubbish like that which only confuses what should be a very clear message.

beaz2018 · 11-09-2020 07:58AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Nphet is an advisory board to the government. They should never had been allowed to appear in front of and speak to the people directly. Now they act like they have direct power. Thats just what we needed, being governed by a bunch of HSE managers wtaf?

They are basically using the fear and paranoia that has built up over the last 6 months to stop the hospitals from being overrun this winter (as they are every year). Its little to do with Covid at this stage, they have never had this currency in prior years so are making the most of it now.

Allinall · 11-09-2020 07:59AM

JRant wrote: »

Are these droplets carrying enough viral load to transmit COVID?

Basic stuff is good hand and cough hygiene, don't go outside if you're feeling unwell, and be respectful of others personal space. Stuff we can and should be constantly reenforcing. Not this pedantic ****e about tv volume levels and the cost of a meal. It's rubbish like that which only confuses what should be a very clear message.

If tv levels are too high, people will have to shout to be heard.
Shouting has the same affect as coughing.
Are you going to shout into your sleeve for your 105 minutes in the pub?

I fail to see how it's confusing.

11-09-2020 08:04AM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Its just that the micro management attempts get tiresome. I do get the thinking behind some of that stuff. And please if they must give good guidance on those things. But it becomes ridiculous when you make a stern rule well knowing there isn't a hope of monitoring never mind controlling or enforcing it? And in any case what would that look like. 6 months in prison for having the telly too loud? Nphet need to come back from lala land.

How many people do you think will go to prison due to Covid regulations? The reason for stern specific rules is its the only way a large portion of the population will listen. Doctors advise pregnant women in Ireland not to drink at all, even though all international research shows 1 or 2 units of alcohol once or twice a week does no harm whatsoever. Trouble is if you tell that to a significant minority of the Irish population, they will take it as an excuse to do as they like.

Its in our nature as a people to push boundaries, that's why we make specific rules in the hope that it drives appropriate behaviour in enough of the population, in the knowledge that many will push beyond those boundaries but not by too far therefore maintaining a level of prevention

Gael23 · 11-09-2020 08:26AM

I think we are fast approaching a point where the cure is worse than the problem

lee_baby_simms · 11-09-2020 08:27AM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think we are fast approaching a point where the cure is worse than the problem

We hit that point in June when deaths flatlined.

Assetbacked · 11-09-2020 09:43AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/it-absolutely-destroys-you-covid-19-survivor-five-months-later-1.4351767

Of FFS, another scare story of an anonymous person who, according to himself, still suffers long-term effects and they quote him that young people aren't invulnerbale. It is just so pathetic and flies in the face of the data to claim that young people are vulnerable to covid. The "young" people, let's say under 34 years of age, are not vulnerable at all in the vast (not 80%, more like 95%) majority of cases.

I love this gem;

"One of the strangest long-term effects from the illness is the short-term memory loss. One day he was writing a thank you card for the nurses in the hospital and could not think of the word for Sellotape. Another day, he wanted to butter toast and forgot the word for knife."

I mean really, are people actually buying into this?

Assetbacked · 11-09-2020 09:48AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

We hit that point in June when deaths flatlined.

June? More like mid-May following their plummeting in April (see chart on p12).

HPSC latest epidemiology chart: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/casesinireland/epidemiologyofcovid-19inireland/COVID-19_Daily_epidemiology_report_(NPHET)_09092020%20-%20Website.pdf

storker · 11-09-2020 10:37AM

JRant wrote: »

So, science has shown that low volume TVs stop you getting COVID? Tremendous news, surprised it's not being shouted from the rooftops by the WHO.

Not having to shout over a loud TV with your face closer to your interlocutor than it would otherwise need to be can indeed help prevent transmission of virus carrying aerosol and droplets, so, yes. Science and a bit of common sense. There's no need for it to be shouted from the rooftops as those with a bit of common sense will get the message anyway. Others will be unreachable whatever the medium, as you have demonstrated.

11-09-2020 11:02AM

FFS... are people actually trying to defend this b*llox!

If you are going to catch Covid in a pub, you will catch it regardless of the decibel level of the TV.

Next we'll be asking for bouncers to monitor to ensure people don't start talking too loud. God forbid if somebody shouts from one table over to another.

thebaz · 11-09-2020 11:07AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/it-absolutely-destroys-you-covid-19-survivor-five-months-later-1.4351767

Of FFS, another scare story of an anonymous person who, according to himself, still suffers long-term effects and they quote him that young people aren't invulnerbale. It is just so pathetic and flies in the face of the data to claim that young people are vulnerable to covid. The "young" people, let's say under 34 years of age, are not vulnerable at all in the vast (not 80%, more like 95%) majority of cases.

Some people , get a bad reaction to any virus , even flu , they are left with long term reactions, thankfully it is rare , same as with Covid - does the article state was he overweight or in bad health ?? -

Just more terrifying an already terrified nation - he was also one of those hospitalised , most people will not be hospitalised , particuly young people - Why not report on some of the people (in fact majority) that had no or very little reaction ?

robbiezero · 11-09-2020 11:09AM

The problem with the minor somewhat petty guidelines is that the important ones are being diluted by the wall of petty nonsense and some idiotic regulations (like the outdoor sports nonsense).

storker · 11-09-2020 11:16AM

Deleted User wrote: »

FFS... are people actually trying to defend this b*llox!

If you are going to catch Covid in a pub, you will catch it regardless of the decibel level of the TV.

Next we'll be asking for bouncers to monitor to ensure people don't start talking too loud. God forbid if somebody shouts from one table over to another.

:rolleyes:

Allinall · 11-09-2020 11:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

FFS... are people actually trying to defend this b*llox!

Yes.

Deleted User wrote: »

If you are going to catch Covid in a pub, you will catch it regardless of the decibel level of the TV.

Are you now advocating for the closure of the "restaurant" pubs, and not allowing the rest to open?

facehugger99 · 11-09-2020 11:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

FFS... are people actually trying to defend this b*llox!

If you are going to catch Covid in a pub, you will catch it regardless of the decibel level of the TV.

Next we'll be asking for bouncers to monitor to ensure people don't start talking too loud. God forbid if somebody shouts from one table over to another.

Unfortunately, Coivid has shown that there is a large cohort of the population that would like to be mammied at every stage by Government and NPHET.

I honestly think these people's ideal, would be to live in a world where somebody else makes every decision for you.

The Irish public has been patronized and talked down to at every stage by NPHET - and some of them absolutely love it

LessOutragePlz · 11-09-2020 11:22AM

6 months later and some people are still living in fear, when will we learn to live alongside the virus and accept the risks that, that will entail?

When will the madness end?

Whatsisname · 11-09-2020 11:22AM

Assetbacked wrote: »

"One of the strangest long-term effects from the illness is the short-term memory loss. One day he was writing a thank you card for the nurses in the hospital and could not think of the word for Sellotape. Another day, he wanted to butter toast and forgot the word for knife."

Thats actually hilarious.

Also who the **** uses sellotape on a card?

sabat · 11-09-2020 11:53AM

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Well... I'll let you think about that for a minute,

Is that a roundabout way of saying "well duh, that's because they're eating?" Obviously, but that doesn't mean it's any less ridiculous. It's either necessary to wear a mask inside a particular space or it's not. For another example look at the Centra on the corner of Dame St and George's St-the shop and café/seating area are one in the same. Walk in to buy a pack of smokes and you have to wear a mask as you go past people sitting unmasked.
Here's another surreal indignity I heard from someone last night: in Yamamori you have to raise your hand if you want to go to the toilet and wait for a staff member to take you.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - Read OP for Mod Warnings