Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain Harassment Story

IAMAMORON · 09-09-2020 10:15pm

Nexytus wrote: »

On this point it basically comes down to intent. If your intent is to harass or intimidate then it is a criminal offence. To establish intent the cops would have to look at all the circumstances of his being there. His behaviour in the hotel. What he said to staff. What explanation he gave for being at the location.

But you're starting from a position of it being a hell of coincidence that the complainant is at a social outing at the other side of the country and a co-worker makes themselves present. And they return after being arrested.

Per the article it states

"The professor was removed by gardaí from the hotel twice, on two consecutive days, and Ní Shúilleabháin received a Garda escort out of Co Cork."

I would not be convinced that he was arrested in this instance, he may have been asked to "move on" by the Gards. I am speculating, but surely if they arrested him on the first day they would have had grounds to caution his behaviours, which could have resulted in concrete charges after he ignored their directions?

If he was arrested this would be public information and would certainly have been something with which the HR in UCD could have acted on. I get the impression he was asked to move on as opposed to physically being arrested, the article would have been entitled to print this if he was.( actually arrested )

Psychiatric Patrick · 09-09-2020 10:16pm

irishblessing wrote: »

Who says that and thinks it's all in innocent jest or a sign of "affection?
**** and immature shítheads, that's who.
And quite right that they'd find themselves in trouble for it in a professional work setting.

You asked for specific examples. So I provided.

You didn't ask for context. So I didn't provide.

Hence why you can't see how it is jest or affection. You were not there.

There was never any trouble for talking this way. And the second and third examples were used by women. Like I said, different times.

And I never used the word "innocent". Please do not fabricate.

Nexytus · 09-09-2020 10:16pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Per the article it states

"The professor was removed by gardaí from the hotel twice, on two consecutive days, and Ní Shúilleabháin received a Garda escort out of Co Cork."

I would not be convinced that he was arrested in this instance, he may have been asked to "move on" by the Gards. I am speculating, but surely if they arrested him on the first day they would have had grounds to caution his behaviours, which could have resulted in concrete charges after he ignored their directions?

If he was arrested this would be public information and would certainly have been something with which the HR in UCD could have acted on. I get the impression he was asked to move on as opposed to physically being arrested, the article would have been entitled to print this if he was.( actually arrested )

Sorry, you're quite right. I stand corrected.

Psychiatric Patrick · 09-09-2020 10:17pm

irishblessing wrote: »

But you did say that, so I was wondering what you meant. You've also said that things you've said have raised eyebrows, so I would bet you're crossing that line.

I think you'll find there are hard and fast rules though. Established rapport is one thing (completely separate from "tone") but others being privvy to your "delivery" which would "simply horrify others" is quite another.

Ironic that you are doing this when you your self fabricate what others have posted.

irishblessing · 10-09-2020 9:50am

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I don't about the law...

"Can I rest my face on your tits?"

"How's your fanny?"

"Put your cock in his ear..."

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

The world has a lot since my factory/warehouse days.

The things we would say as signs of affection or in jest would cause people's heads to explode these days.

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

You asked for specific examples. So I provided.

You didn't ask for context. So I didn't provide.

Hence why you can't see how it is jest or affection. You were not there.

There was never any trouble for talking this way. And the second and third examples were used by women. Like I said, different times.

And I never used the word "innocent". Please do not fabricate.

So those things were actually said and you think it's fine in jest or affection? I don't need to be there to tell you without a doubt those comments aren't funny jokes and are in fact completely inappropriate. No further context needed, they stand alone.
Just because there was never any trouble then over it, doesn't mean it wasn't wrong or that it was welcomed. How thick do you have to be to not realise that many women (especially men I'd say) were forced to laugh it off or ignore as to not be seen as a trouble maker and make it worse. Thankfully we've come a long way and in today's workplace there are stronger policies and rights and no one needs to put up with that garbage from either men or women.
I never said you used the word innocent either, I'm not fabricating anything that's just you trying to pick a fight and make a point where you don't have one.

irishblessing · 10-09-2020 9:55am

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Ironic that you are doing this when you your self fabricate what others have posted.

1. I haven't fabricated anything
2. I'm perfectly entitled to point out that poster did say exactly what they claimed they didn't say.

I think you're getting the hump now because you're being called out all over this thread and for derailing it too which you obviously can't stop doing.

Mrsmum · 10-09-2020 10:23am

irishblessing wrote: »

Why were you "quite rude to some female colleagues?"

I think you're not aware of the fact most times women will laugh it off regardless of whether they liked it or not. You may be under the impression she liked it and so she laughed, but she most likely laughed so as to not make an issue of it.

Why are you complimenting female colleagues all the time?

^^^
This a million times over. When you do the old ha ha ha to their face and mutter d*ckh*ad under your breath. The alternative is often more drama than it's worth, especially when the other person is not worth the bother. Not just a female phenomenon either. Men play the game in situations where discretion is the better part of valour also.

IAMAMORON · 10-09-2020 10:35am

Mrsmum wrote: »

^^^
This a million times over. When you do the old ha ha ha to their face and mutter d*ckh*ad under your breath. The alternative is often more drama than it's worth, especially when the other person is not worth the bother. Not just a female phenomenon either. Men play the game in situations where discretion is the better part of valour also.

This is my point exactly.

If a colleague likes you this never happens, but if you are disliked be prepared to be labelled a creep and receive negativity from other staff members. Which goes back to my sentiment of tone and also discretion when delivering compliments to colleagues.

It is also worth adding that doing nothing will not save an unliked colleague from surrepstitious female cabals that exist throughout the workplace. How often have I heard the words " I simply cannot stand that man" whispered about completely innocuous staff members who merely keep to themselves. That happens too.

Psychiatric Patrick · 10-09-2020 1:44pm

irishblessing wrote: »

So those things were actually said and you think it's fine in jest or affection? I don't need to be there to tell you without a doubt those comments aren't funny jokes and are in fact completely inappropriate. No further context needed, they stand alone.
Just because there was never any trouble then over it, doesn't mean it wasn't wrong or that it was welcomed. How thick do you have to be to not realise that many women (especially men I'd say) were forced to laugh it off or ignore as to not be seen as a trouble maker and make it worse. Thankfully we've come a long way and in today's workplace there are stronger policies and rights and no one needs to put up with that garbage from either men or women.
I never said you used the word innocent either, I'm not fabricating anything that's just you trying to pick a fight and make a point where you don't have one.

You fabricated that I used the word "innocent".

I did not but in your post you claimed I did. You were, and are, not telling the truth.

I don'y have the hump and such comments are not "inappropriate" in a time and in a place that you clear cannot understand.

I worked with a guy who was terrible at remembering names so called every "bastard" or "bitch". No one cared., hence no one was offended, hence it was not "inappropriate".

No one was "putting up with it" and no one was a "victim".

The pearl clutching snowflakes came along later.

irishblessing · 10-09-2020 1:49pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

You fabricated that I used the word "innocent".

I did not but in your post you claimed I did. You were, and are, not telling the truth.

I don'y have the hump and such comments are not "inappropriate" in a time and in a place that you clear cannot understand.

I worked with a guy who was terrible at remembering names so called every "bastard" or "bitch". No one cared., hence no one was offended, hence it was not "inappropriate".

No one was "putting up with it" and no one was a "victim".

The pearl clutching snowflakes came along later.

Oh good jaysus, you're hard work. I did not claim you used that word, are you quite right in comprehension faculties? Point out where I claimed you did. Insane. Stop derailing threads with your own bs and unrelated anecdote stories of your own toxic work places. :rolleyes:

Psychiatric Patrick · 10-09-2020 2:18pm

irishblessing wrote: »

Oh good jaysus, you're hard work. I did not claim you used that word, are you quite right in comprehension faculties? Point out where I claimed you did. Insane. Stop derailing threads with your own bs and unrelated anecdote stories of your own toxic work places. :rolleyes:

irishblessing wrote: »

Who says that and thinks it's all in innocent jest or a sign of "affection?
**** and immature shítheads, that's who.
And quite right that they'd find themselves in trouble for it in a professional work setting.

Are your right in the memory faculties yourself?

Who is derailing threads? More fabrication.

There was no "toxic work place" - like I said the pearl clothing drama queens such yourself came later. People are afraid to make a joke or give a genuine compliment now

Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain experienced real harassment. In fact, harassment doesn't even cover it. You are crying about a bit of name calling? Stay at the keyboard. You won't last out in the real world.

irishblessing · 10-09-2020 2:39pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Are your right in the memory faculties yourself?

Who is derailing threads? More fabrication.

There was no "toxic work place" - like I said the pearl clothing drama queens such yourself came later. People are afraid to make a joke or give a genuine compliment now

Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain experienced real harassment. In fact, harassment doesn't even cover it. You are crying about a bit of name calling? Stay at the keyboard. You won't last out in the real world.

Stop replying to me, I'm done with you. Yeah good job, you can quote! And anyone can plainly see I didn't claim you said the word innocent. You're like a dog with a bone, it's coming across as creepy harassment now. Just stop. I'm reporting you and your posts.

irishblessing · 10-09-2020 2:44pm

Originally Posted by Psychiatric Patrick View Post
I don't about the law...

"Can I rest my face on your tits?"

"How's your fanny?"

"Put your cock in his ear..."

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

The world has a lot since my factory/warehouse days.

The things we would say as signs of affection or in jest would cause people's heads to explode these days.

This is what you said originally. Your claim to me reads like it's all an innocent game, just affection or joking around. Innocent fun vs intended harassment, is the context you are arguing, OBVIOUSLY.

You said that "You fabricated that I used the word "innocent". I did no such thing.

You need to stop and leave it and me alone now.

Mr E · 10-09-2020 2:44pm

Mod: OK guys, for the sake of your own sanity, stop replying to each other.

Donald Trump · 10-09-2020 7:23pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

"Can I rest my face on your tits?"

What kind of complete and utter eejit would ever ask such a thing?

sure it's a 100% pure rookie mistake not knowing it's much easier to ask for forgiveness than permission! *

(*Don't actually do it kids. Simply making an absurd joke)

Rubberchikken · 10-09-2020 7:33pm

I wouldn't appreciate anyone calling me a bitch or bastard irrespective of the year or circumstances.

If you can't be bothered to remember my name, don't address me.

The way some men and women spoke years ago is, thankfully unacceptable today.
There are funny ways to joke with friends and colleagues but lines need to be drawn.

Psychiatric Patrick · 10-09-2020 8:16pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

What kind of complete and utter eejit would ever ask such a thing?

sure it's a 100% pure rookie mistake not knowing it's much easier to ask for forgiveness than permission! *

(*Don't actually do it kids. Simply making an absurd joke)

It was the kind of thing that would be said.

If you a person thought it was funny they would laugh or deliver a comeback.

If a person didn't like it they would say so and that would the end of it. There was no crying about it and HR was reserved for actual problems.

Psychiatric Patrick · 10-09-2020 8:21pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I wouldn't appreciate anyone calling me a bitch or bastard irrespective of the year or circumstances.

If you can't be bothered to remember my name, don't address me.

The way some men and women spoke years ago is, thankfully unacceptable today.
There are funny ways to joke with friends and colleagues but lines need to be drawn.

If you are going to get upset at people over name calling you are going to have a difficult life.

You never called someone or been called a bastard or bitch in an argument or as part of banter?

Kaybaykwah · 10-09-2020 9:24pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

If you are going to get upset at people over name calling you are going to have a difficult life.

You never called someone or been called a bastard or bitch in an argument or as part of banter?

With all due respect, you seem pretty thin skinned for someone who claims to be above name calling, Psycho.

Psychiatric Patrick · 10-09-2020 9:32pm

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

With all due respect, you seem pretty thin skinned for someone who claims to be above name calling, Psycho.

When have I been thin skinned?

Loafing Oaf · 10-09-2020 9:36pm

Tork wrote: »

This is the perfect storm, isn't it? Harassment that reads like something from a Hollywood stalker movie, missing only the climactic fight to the death scene. And the victim is someone who's reasonably well known and credible. If anyone with half a brain had been working in UCD's HR department, they should've been onto this like a shot.

This is the bit I don't get. Even aside from the obligation on the institution to protect all employees, particularly female ones, from this sort of harassment, Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin is possibly the best-known young academic in the country. Surely someone in the office would have said hang on, if we don't sort this out and the story gets into the public domain, we will get absolutely slaughtered over it...

Psychiatric Patrick · 10-09-2020 9:38pm

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

With all due respect, you seem pretty thin skinned for someone who claims to be above name calling, Psycho.

I find "With all due respect" very amusing.

I have commented several times on my mental issues and here you twist Psychiatric to Psycho for what purpose? To try upset me? To provoke an angry response?

You will have to do lot more than that.:pac::pac:

Computer Science Student · 10-09-2020 9:41pm

The biggest takeaway from the whole thing for me is how on earth did Ryan Tubridy manage to marry Aoibheann Ni Shuileabhain and in a similar but less baffling vein, how did he manage to blow it?

Psychiatric Patrick · 10-09-2020 9:43pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

This is the bit I don't get. Even aside from the obligation on the institution to protect all employees, particularly female ones, from this sort of harassment, Aoibhinn Ní Shúilleabháin is possibly the best-known young academic in the country. Surely someone in the office would have said hang on, if we don't sort this out and the story gets into the public domain, we will get absolutely slaughtered over it...

I said something similar earlier.

Even if the authorities at UCD didn't care about the well being of staff or students you'd think they'd at least want to protect themselves and the schools reputation.

MadYaker · 10-09-2020 9:51pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I said something similar earlier.

Even if the authorities at UCD didn't care about the well being of staff or students you'd think they'd at least want to protect themselves and the schools reputation.

I did 4 years in NUIG. I won't name names but half of my "professors" were d!cks. There was one in particular whom if I heard he'd done something like this I wouldn't be a bit surprised. It's a bubble.

elperello · 10-09-2020 9:52pm

Computer Science Student wrote: »

The biggest takeaway from the whole thing for me is how on earth did Ryan Tubridy manage to marry Aoibheann Ni Shuileabhain and in a similar but less baffling vein, how did he manage to blow it?

I would say the "biggest takeaway" is a bit more serious.

Just to clarify, they were never married to each other.

Psychiatric Patrick · 10-09-2020 10:14pm

MadYaker wrote: »

I did 4 years in NUIG. I won't name names but half of my "professors" were d!cks. There was one in particular whom if I heard he'd done something like this I wouldn't be a bit surprised. It's a bubble.

Wow!!

SC024 · 10-09-2020 10:31pm

this is all very harrowing in itself of course i wouldn't wish it on any one but it has to be said that there is woman all over the country going through alot worse than this on a weekly basis but there's none of that making the national news.

Psychiatric Patrick · 10-09-2020 11:25pm

SC024 wrote: »

this is all very harrowing in itself of course i wouldn't wish it on any one but it has to be said that there is woman all over the country going through alot worse than this on a weekly basis but there's none of that making the national news.

Which is one of the reasons that Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain has gone public with all this.

bigroad · 10-09-2020 11:31pm

Is Noel Kelly her agent.

Aoibheann Ni Shuilleabhain Harassment Story

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