Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

DeanAustin · 10-09-2020 03:48PM

GT89 wrote: »

They obivously have some media in Africa but not to the same extent as here in the West. The media are the problem if there was no scaremongering there would be no problem with covid 19 people wouldn't even think about it and would just get on with their lives not knowing of covid. Do you actually believe the media fearmongering?

Why do you think the media is fear mongering and the politicians are going along with it?

MrStuffins · 10-09-2020 03:50PM

GT89 wrote: »

People aren't living their lives in fear of covid in Africa. They know there is a million other things to worried about in Africa like starvation..........

It's not a problem if you just forget about it and stop constantly reporting on it

GT89 wrote: »

Most them don't even have the any form of media in the bush in Africa

I must say, saying Africa isn't worrying about Covid because they're starving and that their media aren't reporting on it because they have none is some of the dumbest drivel i've ever read on Boards.

And that's really saying something!

punisher5112 · 10-09-2020 03:52PM

Its very sad to be honest and more are going to die alone or lonely from all of this.

Hospital and nursing homes should be getting better help and people really need to be able to visit their loved ones.

There has to be ways to do this and safely such as no contact but keeping a safe distance and so on.... I understand this was happening somewhat but it's not enough, could you only imagine how tough this is on the elderly.

They need to be cared for and happiness goes a long way.

Suicide rates will definitely increase, jobs lost that should never have been, illnesses not found due to not been seen etc etc....

The **** hasn't even hit the fan yet.

odyssey06 · 10-09-2020 03:54PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET to recommend to government that in Dublin there be a reduction in the numbers of visitors to peoples homes from different houses.
Reported that the recommendation is to stay at 6 but from no more than 2 households instead of 3, for a period of 3 weeks.
Tighter restrictions on residential settings also to be recommended

No lockdown this week. Phew

JP Liz V1 · 10-09-2020 03:55PM

The Tetrarch wrote: »

Those number suggest a lockdown of all County Dublin is needed.
We could have a dusk to dawn curfew, keeping daylight for work, school and shopping.

At least some restrictions are needed with those high numbers if no lockdown

New Era · 10-09-2020 04:01PM

GT89 wrote: »

Shifting the goalposts as usual. Mikel Arteta the Arsenal manager contracted covid and is fine now, so did Tubridy, BoJo (who was in ICU), Mary Lou, Dr. Ciara Kelly and whole host of other well known people all seem to be fine now and don't have any long term effects.

I'm sorry but from reading your recent posts it's clear you are extremely dismissive of covid and that's just plain dangerous to have that type of laissez faire attitude. Just remember this. Over 900,000 people in the world according to the John Hopkins University have sadly passed away due to covid. That's just the " official" figures and many many governments and health authorities throughout the world are understating their death totals for a variety of reasons.

I have to call you out on this and anyone that continues to dismiss covid as either a common flu or slightly or no worse, is clearly not living in the real world. I'm not trying to scare monger anyone. I'm just reading the facts like anyone else is. This virus is as potent and contagious as at the start of this pandemic. All I will say is I'm taking this virus exceptionally seriously and I hope you along with those that believe that covid is some kind of OTT conspiracy theory, really need to just cop on.

Eod100 · 10-09-2020 04:06PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NPHET to recommend to government that in Dublin there be a reduction in the numbers of visitors to peoples homes from different houses.

Reported that the recommendation is to stay at 6 but from no more than 2 households instead of 3, for a period of 3 weeks.

Tighter restrictions on residential settings also to be recommended

Thing is not sure it will have much impact. People ignoring guidelines all along will continue to do so. Not sure people will be cancelling gatherings for communions, confirmations etc either

NIMAN · 10-09-2020 04:11PM

New Era wrote: »

I'm sorry but from reading your recent posts it's clear you are extremely dismissive of covid and that's just plain dangerous to have that type of laissez faire attitude. Just remember this. Over 900,000 people in the world according to the John Hopkins University have sadly passed away due to covid. That's just the " official" figures and many many governments and health authorities throughout the world are understating their death totals for a variety of reasons.

I have to call you out on this and anyone that continues to dismiss covid as either a common flu or slightly or no worse, is clearly not living in the real world. I'm not trying to scare monger anyone. I'm just reading the facts like anyone else is. This virus is as potent and contagious as at the start of this pandemic. All I will say is I'm taking this virus exceptionally seriously and I hope you along with those that believe that covid is some kind of OTT conspiracy theory, really need to just cop on.

Playing devil's advocate a little here, and believe me I ain't a conspiracy theorist or anything, but did they die of CV19 or with CV19?

I have noticed the UK report the WITH figures for people dying. Do we know if CV19 is killing them or something else?

I appreciate that this is a terrible virus and it is killing a lot of people worldwide, but I would like to think figures quoted are correct.

jlang · 10-09-2020 04:13PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Not sure people will be cancelling gatherings for communions, confirmations etc either

It is more likely that the communions themselves will be put off. Again. Schools and parishes won't want to upset the system by provoking illegal parties.

Allinall · 10-09-2020 04:20PM

GT89 wrote: »

She was 82

Is there a point there somewhere?

New Era · 10-09-2020 04:24PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Playing devil's advocate a little here, and believe me I ain't a conspiracy theorist or anything, but did they die of CV19 or with CV19?

I have noticed the UK report the WITH figures for people dying. Do we know if CV19 is killing them or something else?

I appreciate that this is a terrible virus and it is killing a lot of people worldwide, but I would like to think figures quoted are correct.

niman you make really valid points. I was thinking the same thing also. Let's just say that covid didn't exist. How many people of that 900,000 who sadly lost their lives due to covid would have died anyway if the virus wasn't around?, I would just love, as a stats freak and a person who is obsessed with number crunching. Would excess deaths be the best guide to get those answers that you are suggesting?

New Era · 10-09-2020 04:38PM

Wow!! Some pushback from the government it appears to adopting nphets recommendations on new Dublin restrictions according to Gavan Reilly from Virgin Media TV

GT89 · 10-09-2020 04:42PM

Allinall wrote: »

Is there a point there somewhere?

So around about the same age as the life expectancy. Covid is only killing the old and vulnerable but healthy people should be living their lives in fear also.

Graham · 10-09-2020 04:44PM

GT89 wrote: »

Covid is only killing the old and vulnerable but healthy people should be living their lives in fear also.

No but they should take sensible precautions for the benefit of themselves and those around them.

andersat2 · 10-09-2020 04:50PM

New Era wrote: »

I'm sorry but from reading your recent posts it's clear you are extremely dismissive of covid and that's just plain dangerous to have that type of laissez faire attitude. Just remember this. Over 900,000 people in the world according to the John Hopkins University have sadly passed away due to covid. That's just the " official" figures and many many governments and health authorities throughout the world are understating their death totals for a variety of reasons.

I have to call you out on this and anyone that continues to dismiss covid as either a common flu or slightly or no worse, is clearly not living in the real world. I'm not trying to scare monger anyone. I'm just reading the facts like anyone else is. This virus is as potent and contagious as at the start of this pandemic. All I will say is I'm taking this virus exceptionally seriously and I hope you along with those that believe that covid is some kind of OTT conspiracy theory, really need to just cop on.

John Hopkins University not calculating anything. They just predicting number of cases and number of deaths. There are no any real statistics in USA regarding covid19.

GT89 · 10-09-2020 04:51PM

Graham wrote: »

No but they should take sensible precautions for the benefit of themselves and those around them.

Masks, social distancing, lockdowns, limiting contacts etc. are not sensible precautions they are living in fear. A sensible precaution would be to boost your immune system. The government should reccomend that people eat healthily, take plenty of excercise and multivitimins in order to ward off the risk/severity of catching covid.

stephenjmcd · 10-09-2020 04:53PM

New Era wrote: »

Wow!! Some pushback from the government it appears to adopting nphets recommendations on new Dublin restrictions according to Gavan Reilly from Virgin Media TV

Yup hence the recommendation to reduce number of houses mixing.

Absolutely no appetite for additional restrictions

Graham · 10-09-2020 04:59PM

GT89 wrote: »

Masks, social distancing, lockdowns, limiting contacts etc. are not sensible precautions they are living in fear.

Tosh.

I'm certainly not living in fear, I am taking sensible precautions.

GT89 · 10-09-2020 05:00PM

New Era wrote: »

Wow!! Some pushback from the government it appears to adopting nphets recommendations on new Dublin restrictions according to Gavan Reilly from Virgin Media TV

People are sick of the measures more pushback against the measures

Graham · 10-09-2020 05:02PM

GT89 wrote: »

People are sick of the measures

At the same time most reasonable people understand why they're necessary.

tjhook · 10-09-2020 05:12PM

The approach to restrictions appears to me to be very inconsistent. It's quite recently that the people of Laois were locked into their own county. They weren't told to "work away, just limit house visits to 6 people". And it's not as if there have been significant new learnings since then. If it's not necessary now, why was it necessary then?

I've followed all the rules so far; I cancelled two staycations this year due to lockdowns. If I feel that the approach to restrictions is political, I won't be pushed about complying. Let's see how the numbers in Dublin are handled.

(Disclaimer: I'm annoyed about it now but I might be calmer tomorrow)

Tenzor07 · 10-09-2020 05:15PM

Graham wrote: »

At the same time most reasonable people understand why they're necessary.

Most reasonable people have been sticking to the rules, maybe some haven't and they're most likely to be people who don't stick to any rules Covid crisis or not...

A Lockdown for the only major city in the country would do more damage than good, sending out messages that the main city in the country is closed and costing jobs as companies lay off even more staff due to lack of demand for retail and services...

Graham · 10-09-2020 05:21PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

A Lockdown for the only major city in the country would do more damage than good

I really don't think that's on the cards at the moment.

Tenzor07 · 10-09-2020 05:28PM

Graham wrote: »

I really don't think that's on the cards at the moment.

/thread: closed

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circadian · 10-09-2020 06:10PM

GT89 wrote: »

So around about the same age as the life expectancy. Covid is only killing the old and vulnerable but healthy people should be living their lives in fear also.

Only the old and vulnerable? Any sauces for that because I can tell you now you're talking out of your arse.

A friend of mine spent 10 weeks in an induced coma, suffered multiple organ failure and his wife notified that he probably won't make it. He eventually did but I would say the vast majority of these cases do not.

He is 34, no underlying conditions, non smoker and reasonably fit.

So you can **** off with your only the elderly and vulnerable bull****.

Cyrus · 10-09-2020 06:15PM

circadian wrote: »

Only the old and vulnerable? Any sauces for that because I can tell you now you're talking out of your arse.

A friend of mine spent 10 weeks in an induced coma, suffered multiple organ failure and his wife notified that he probably won't make it. He eventually did but I would say the vast majority of these cases do not.

He is 34, no underlying conditions, non smoker and reasonably fit.

So you can **** off with your only the elderly and vulnerable bull****.

To be fair the vast majority of Covid deaths are people over 70 with underlying conditions , of course there will be some younger people who will die from it , but that’s the same for other illnesses .

My old boss is in his 50s and fit and was in intensive care with pneumonia last year . It’s unusual but can happen .

circadian · 10-09-2020 06:33PM

Cyrus wrote: »

To be fair the vast majority of Covid deaths are people over 70 with underlying conditions , of course there will be some younger people who will die from it , but that’s the same for other illnesses .

My old boss is in his 50s and fit and was in intensive care with pneumonia last year . It’s unusual but can happen .

I would suspect a novel virus has the potential to hit younger people quite hard but much more sporadically. I know several people in their 20s/30s who have had it with wildly varying degrees of illness. They are all in good general health and take care of themselves. Some became very ill and still suffering fatigue months later (one of whom is an avid hiker) and others bounced back quickly or didn't notice anything at all.

What's funny though, is they all seem to be concerned about the long term effects and all feel that it has done some sort of long term damage although it may not be clear what that is right now.

lucernarian · 10-09-2020 06:56PM

circadian wrote: »

Only the old and vulnerable? Any sauces for that because I can tell you now you're talking out of your arse.

A friend of mine spent 10 weeks in an induced coma, suffered multiple organ failure and his wife notified that he probably won't make it. He eventually did but I would say the vast majority of these cases do not.

He is 34, no underlying conditions, non smoker and reasonably fit.

So you can **** off with your only the elderly and vulnerable bull****.

You're right. Certain posters getting away with the "it's only elderly who die" red herring. 20% of people get seriously ill from it, a good chunk of that needs hospitalisations. And because young people are more likely to come out from ICU in a trolley and not a coffin, there's apparently no problem. Makes you wonder the ****e people choose to believe in.

growleaves · 10-09-2020 06:58PM

New Era wrote: »

niman you make really valid points. I was thinking the same thing also. Let's just say that covid didn't exist. How many people of that 900,000 who sadly lost their lives due to covid would have died anyway if the virus wasn't around?, I would just love, as a stats freak and a person who is obsessed with number crunching. Would excess deaths be the best guide to get those answers that you are suggesting?

Look at the comorbidities section of CDC site:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

Only 6% of deaths were Covid alone, the other 94% of deaths had an average of 2.6 other causes.

lee_baby_simms · 10-09-2020 07:13PM

circadian wrote: »

What's funny though, is they all seem to be concerned about the long term effects and all feel that it has done some sort of long term damage although it may not be clear what that is right now.

I think there is definitely lasting effects with Covid in rare cases just like there is with other respiratory diseases but i think “long Covid” is the media’s doom term de jour. it’s all I’ve been hearing for the last month because there’s no full icus or freezer trucks full of dead bodies to report on.

Doom sells as we all know.

The story about your friend is scary. He must have got a serious dose of it to end up in such a bad way. My old boss developed myocarditis from a flu in the south of France a few years ago. Very healthy guy in his late 30s.

Covid is similar to the flu in that it effects older people predominantly. Young people can die from it but very rarely. In fact influenza kills more young people than Covid. Under 5s especially.

Is it time for a Dublin lockdown?

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