FF/FG/Green Next Government

Hawthorn Tree · 10-09-2020 01:45PM

Ha Ha, Green Blanch in quickly to deflect. Who are you responding to exactly?

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 01:55PM

smurgen wrote: »

This is car crash stuff.

https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1304012665438773250?s=19

Here are the facts from a semi-reliable news source, rather than a Twitter mouthpiece.

https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-meat-plant-testing-5200874-Sep2020/

"HSE CEO PAUL Reid has defended the decision to suspend serial testing of workers at meat plants and insisted its the kind of “agile” move health officials need to take in order to prioritise testing for those who need it most. "

Seems like Pearse has been slow on the uptake again. He is a bit of a dunce in all fairness.

dundalkfc10 · 10-09-2020 02:03PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Here are the facts from a semi-reliable news source, rather than a Twitter mouthpiece.

https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-meat-plant-testing-5200874-Sep2020/

"HSE CEO PAUL Reid has defended the decision to suspend serial testing of workers at meat plants and insisted its the kind of “agile” move health officials need to take in order to prioritise testing for those who need it most. "

Seems like Pearse has been slow on the uptake again. He is a bit of a dunce in all fairness.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-says-covid-19-testing-is-reaching-capacity-after-surge-in-demand-1.4351593

Nothing to do that they ****ed up and dont have enough tests available (and its not even winter yet)

Course not, Mary Lou made it all happen

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 02:13PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-says-covid-19-testing-is-reaching-capacity-after-surge-in-demand-1.4351593

Nothing to do that they ****ed up and dont have enough tests available (and its not even winter yet)

Course not, Mary Lou made it all happen

How much testing do you want? And should it be prioritised over other health expenditure?

For Mary-Lou and the like, they don't need to answer these questions. Like the hurler on the ditch, they just moan and bitch about what they see in front of them.

smurgen · 10-09-2020 02:19PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Here are the facts from a semi-reliable news source, rather than a Twitter mouthpiece.

https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-meat-plant-testing-5200874-Sep2020/

"HSE CEO PAUL Reid has defended the decision to suspend serial testing of workers at meat plants and insisted its the kind of “agile” move health officials need to take in order to prioritise testing for those who need it most. "

Seems like Pearse has been slow on the uptake again. He is a bit of a dunce in all fairness.

How is Pearse slow when the Minister for agriculture said testing had begun yesterday?
And if testing is haulted at plants I assume they'll hault production until testing can resume right?

dundalkfc10 · 10-09-2020 02:21PM

blanch152 wrote: »

How much testing do you want? And should it be prioritised over other health expenditure?

For Mary-Lou and the like, they don't need to answer these questions. Like the hurler on the ditch, they just moan and bitch about what they see in front of them.

For a start testing in the airports would help. If they don't have enough tests available now what's it going to be like in 2 months when we hit winter?

smurgen · 10-09-2020 02:21PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Ha Ha, Green Blanch in quickly to deflect. Who are you responding to exactly?

A green party members championing meat production is peak boards lol.

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 02:28PM

smurgen wrote: »

How is Pearse slow when the Minister for agriculture said testing had begun yesterday?
And if testing is haulted at plants I assume they'll hault production until testing can resume right?

Did you even read the tweet you posted?

"Serial testing in meat plants has begun and the first round will be completed by the end of this week: Minister for Agriculture"

The Minister didn't say that testing had begun yesterday. Yesterday, he said that testing had begun. There is a huge difference between the two.

https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-meat-plant-testing-5200874-Sep2020/

As the Journal article (which I linked rather than some random Tweet) made clear, the widescale testing of meat processing plant staff, was introduced on 21 August. Furthermore, "serial testing took place at the meat plants on Monday and Tuesday this week before the suspension came into effect."

It only emerged yesterday evening (Wednesday) that such serial testing was suspended. So at the time the Minister was speaking, he was telling the truth. But once again, you personified the mob out to hang someone without establishing the facts.

dundalkfc10 · 10-09-2020 02:43PM

The Fianna Fail part meeting today was great craic going by reports.

@McConnellDaniel on twitter

-MM told by Marc MacSharry to stop doing press confrences with LEO as he is wiping the floor wit him every single time they are on"
- MM has been told to get the CEO off the tele as hes scaring the **** outta people
- The party want the current chair Brendan Smith replaced
- TDs and Junior Ministers getting no say in decisions

FrancieBrady · 10-09-2020 02:43PM

blanch152 wrote: »

As usual, you run out of answers.

No...I backed up what I claimed with links and all the evidence required to show FG had their minds changed.

You invented some fabulous nebulous 'excuse FG' theory.

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 02:49PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No...I backed up what I claimed with links and all the evidence required to show FG had their minds changed.

You invented some fabulous nebulous 'excuse FG' theory.

Of course FG changed their minds, they had high primary objectives, when these weren't achievable, they aimed for secondary lesser objectives.

The fact that the secondary lesser objectives were SF's starting point says more about SF ambition or lack of it than it does about anything FG set out to do.

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 02:51PM

smurgen wrote: »

A green party members championing meat production is peak boards lol.

Yawn, stereotyping green voters as vegans and vegetarians is another example of the tactic of dehumanising those you disagree with as practiced by Sinn Fein supporters on social media everywhere.

smurgen · 10-09-2020 03:27PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yawn, stereotyping green voters as vegans and vegetarians is another example of the tactic of dehumanising those you disagree with as practiced by Sinn Fein supporters on social media everywhere.

It's nothing about vegetarianism. Meat production is one of the highest contribution of pollution and emissions in Ireland.i don't think anyone and I mean anyone at this point believes you're a green supporter

JohnnyFlash · 10-09-2020 03:51PM

smurgen wrote: »

It's nothing about vegetarianism. Meat production is one of the highest contribution of pollution and emissions in Ireland.i don't think anyone and I mean anyone at this point believes you're a green supporter

Higher even than the toxic sludge from diesel laundering and the illegal dumps operating on the border?

James Brown · 10-09-2020 03:57PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Higher even than the toxic sludge from diesel laundering and the illegal dumps operating on the border?

Yawn, stereotyping SF voters as criminals is another example of the tactic of dehumanising those you disagree with as practiced by some Fine Gael supporters on social media.

James Brown · 10-09-2020 03:59PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Yawn, stereotyping green voters as vegans and vegetarians is another example of the tactic of dehumanising those you disagree with as practiced by Sinn Fein supporters on social media everywhere.

Do you see the ironic hypocrisy here?

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 04:06PM

smurgen wrote: »

It's nothing about vegetarianism. Meat production is one of the highest contribution of pollution and emissions in Ireland.i don't think anyone and I mean anyone at this point believes you're a green supporter

I really don't care what people think or believe. I voted Green in the last general election as I did in the one before, and as I did in 2007. In 2011 I voted 1 Labour, 2 FG, and I have said and will say that each time.

As for the meat production, what I have seen is that we have some of the greenest meat production in the world, so when you stop looking at it through the narrow old-fashioned nationalist lens (a worldview that holds back every SF supporter) and look at it in a global context, there is little wrong with our meat industry.

dundalkfc10 · 10-09-2020 04:07PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I really don't care what people think or believe. I voted Green in the last general election as I did in the one before, and as I did in 2007. In 2011 I voted 1 Labour, 2 FG, and I have said and will say that each time.

As for the meat production, what I have seen is that we have some of the greenest meat production in the world, so when you stop looking at it through the narrow old-fashioned nationalist lens (a worldview that holds back every SF supporter) and look at it in a global context, there is little wrong with our meat industry.

Tell that to the people who work in them

blanch152 · 10-09-2020 04:11PM

Bowie wrote: »

Yawn, stereotyping SF voters as criminals is another example of the tactic of dehumanising those you disagree with as practiced by some Fine Gael supporters on social media.

Bowie wrote: »

Do you see the ironic hypocrisy here?

No hypocrisy.

I don't think anyone has ever stereotyped SF voters as criminals so that is another red herring.

FrancieBrady · 10-09-2020 04:12PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Of course FG changed their minds, they had high primary objectives, when these weren't achievable, they aimed for secondary lesser objectives.

The fact that the secondary lesser objectives were SF's starting point says more about SF ambition or lack of it than it does about anything FG set out to do.

Classic spinning.

FG a day late and a good few dollars short on what was required and more to the point, what needed to be spelt out clearly to the British voter.
Had they done that alone they may have persuaded those who now regret not considering the implications their committments to the GFA had.
WE ARE co-signarories of that agreement but we (as a government) had to be led on protecting it.

Spin away blanch.

Muahahaha · 10-09-2020 04:19PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hse-says-covid-19-testing-is-reaching-capacity-after-surge-in-demand-1.4351593

Nothing to do that they ****ed up and dont have enough tests available (and its not even winter yet)

Course not, Mary Lou made it all happen

Plus patients on trolleys in A&Es hit 220 patients last week. We all remember when Enda Kenny promised to fix that calling it a "scandal" but here we go again into a winter but this time with a highly infectious virus in our hospitals. What will happen when FFG top the 700+ number on trolleys that they did last winter? Hundreds of sick people lying on trolleys in the corridors of A&E for days at a time is going to make the hospitals an absolute petri dish for the virus this winter. But Enda has his pensions so I suppose theres that :rolleyes:

smurgen wrote: »

A green party members championing meat production is peak boards lol.

It shouldnt be that surprising smurgen, this is the same party that championed diesel engines to save the environment. Thats the kind of loons you're dealing with when the Greens are let anywhere near government. They're the party of salads and wolves.

Yurt2 · 10-09-2020 04:23PM

blanch152 wrote: »

I really don't care what people think or believe. I voted Green in the last general election as I did in the one before, and as I did in 2007. In 2011 I voted 1 Labour, 2 FG, and I have said and will say that each time.

As for the meat production, what I have seen is that we have some of the greenest meat production in the world, so when you stop looking at it through the narrow old-fashioned nationalist lens (a worldview that holds back every SF supporter) and look at it in a global context, there is little wrong with our meat industry.

Grass-fed cows produce up to three times the methane emissions of grain finished cows. There are counter arguements that this is somewhat mitigated with soil health from grass-fed system (regenerative argiculture), but the fact is that the Irish cow in the field yonder is emmiting more than an equivalent cow in Japan or the US fed on grain. beef industry isn't the greenest in the world by a long shot.

JohnnyFlash · 10-09-2020 04:23PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Plus patients on trolleys in A&Es hit 220 patients last week. We all remember when Enda Kenny promised to fix that calling it a "scandal" but here we go again into a winter but this time with a highly infectious virus in our hospitals. What will happen when FFG top the 700+ number on trolleys that they did last winter? Dozens of sick people lying on trolleys in the corridors of A&E for days at a time is going to make the hospitals an absolute petri dish for the virus this winter. But Enda has his pensions so I suppose theres that

It shouldnt be that surprising smurgen, this is the same party that championed diesel engines to save the environment. Thats the kind of loons you're dealing with when the Greens are let anywhere near government. They're the party of salads and wolves.

Preferable to a party of terrorist worshippers in fairness.

James Brown · 10-09-2020 04:24PM

blanch152 wrote: »

No hypocrisy.

I don't think anyone has ever stereotyped SF voters as criminals so that is another red herring.

blanch152 wrote: »

....so when you stop looking at it through the narrow old-fashioned nationalist lens (a worldview that holds back every SF supporter) and look at it in a global context, there is little wrong with our meat industry.

As I said, hypocrisy.
It's not credible to complain about stereotyping supporters of a party when you constantly engage in it yourself.

James Brown · 10-09-2020 04:26PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Preferable to a party of terrorist worshippers in fairness.

Are you talking about SF, FG or FF?

James Brown · 10-09-2020 04:29PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Plus patients on trolleys in A&Es hit 220 patients last week. We all remember when Enda Kenny promised to fix that calling it a "scandal" but here we go again into a winter but this time with a highly infectious virus in our hospitals. What will happen when FFG top the 700+ number on trolleys that they did last winter? Hundreds of sick people lying on trolleys in the corridors of A&E for days at a time is going to make the hospitals an absolute petri dish for the virus this winter. But Enda has his pensions so I suppose theres that :rolleyes:

It shouldnt be that surprising smurgen, this is the same party that championed diesel engines to save the environment. Thats the kind of loons you're dealing with when the Greens are let anywhere near government. They're the party of salads and wolves.

This is it. They'll no doubt blame Lehmans Covid on the coming elevated crisis, (always a crisis) like if it wasn't for Covid number 19 we would've been grand. They've Brexit in their back pocket too.

dundalkfc10 · 10-09-2020 05:13PM

blanch152 wrote: »

No hypocrisy.

I don't think anyone has ever stereotyped SF voters as criminals so that is another red herring.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Preferable to a party of terrorist worshippers in fairness.

Didnt take long

JohnnyFlash · 10-09-2020 05:28PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Didnt take long

Members of the SF leadership went up to the funeral of a sociopathic criminal who was on the army Council of the IRA and a man who was influental in dictating SF party policy. This funeral was almost militaristic in tone.

They are the only major political party in Europe with deep, current, and worrying links to illegal paramilitary organisations. They do not recognise the legitimacy of the Irish Republic, it's defence forces, and its constitution.

Dems the facts, my friend.

dundalkfc10 · 10-09-2020 05:35PM

blanch152 wrote: »

No hypocrisy.

I don't think anyone has ever stereotyped SF voters as criminals so that is another red herring.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Preferable to a party of terrorist worshippers in fairness.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Members of the SF leadership went up to the funeral of a sociopathic criminal who was on the army Council of the IRA and a man who was influental in dictating SF party policy. This funeral was almost militaristic in tone.

They are the only major political party in Europe with deep, current, and worrying links to illegal paramilitary organisations. They do not recognise the legitimacy of the Irish Republic, it's defence forces, and its constitution.

Dems the facts, my friend.

:D:D:D:D

This is not a SF thread. Its a thread about the Govt who anytime someone has something bad to say (and God knows they keep up with ammunation every day) the main tactic is deflect what about SF.
Its quite amusing./

Must hurt that the SF party (who you seem to have deep hatred for and their supporters) are the largest party on our Islands.

Brendan Bendar · 10-09-2020 05:50PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

:D:D:D:D

This is not a SF thread. Its a thread about the Govt who anytime someone has something bad to say (and God knows they keep up with ammunation every day) the main tactic is deflect what about SF.
Its quite amusing./

Must hurt that the SF party (who you seem to have deep hatred for and their supporters) are the largest party on our Islands.

Islands???

What Islands???

Who have we annexed?

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