2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 10:55AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Or these people could just, you know, not burn down and attack property and people who have actually bothered to work and build up a business. Or a nice house etc.

of course they could and should, but they are expressing anger, humans dont exactly behave rationally when extremely angry, this administration has done everything in its abilities to incite this growing anger, with trump playing a critical role, as explained

Igotadose · 10-09-2020 10:55AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i'm not blaming woodward for the news. I'm blaming him for sitting on it for 6 months. and I know people are saying that it would have made no difference if he had released it earlier but Woodward could not have known that 6 months ago. He sat on it because he wanted to save it for his book. this was just about money for him. If it resulted in extra deaths then that is a price he was willing to let others pay.

Is it known what restrictions he was under when interviewing Trump? "I'm interviewing you for a book to be published in the Fall" versus "I can share anything I gather in these interviews anytime I want with whoever I want?"

Did the #IMPOTUS's team get to review the book or have the right to refuse publication without prior review? I think the latter kind of is typical and maybe this is the soonest the book could've been published.

ELM327 · 10-09-2020 10:57AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

of course they could and should, but they are expressing anger, humans dont exactly behave rationally when extremely angry, this administration has done everything in its abilities to incite this growing anger, with trump playing a critical role, as explained

"Ah diddums, you ok, wanna go down and burn a business to the ground make you feel better"

People have this (or should have) thing called personal responsibility. If I were Trump I'd be making sure those criminals in BLM that organised these burnings would be tried and convicted.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 10:59AM

ELM327 wrote: »

"Ah diddums, you ok, wanna go down and burn a business to the ground make you feel better"

People have this (or should have) thing called personal responsibility. If I were Trump I'd be making sure those criminals in BLM that organised these burnings would be tried and convicted.

the usual trotted out bullsh1t, again, this is an extreme expression of anger, it is a wrong method of processing it, but it is understandable, trump probably has been the most dangerous president, and not just for america, be wary of the narcissists!

duploelabs · 10-09-2020 11:09AM

ELM327 wrote: »

"Ah diddums, you ok, wanna go down and burn a business to the ground make you feel better"

People have this (or should have) thing called personal responsibility. If I were Trump I'd be making sure those criminals in BLM that organised these burnings would be tried and convicted.

Of course he won't convict him, any propagators of racial tension (astroturfed are not) are playing to Trump's base. Hur-dur-black-man-bad

LessOutragePlz · 10-09-2020 11:13AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

the usual trotted out bullsh1t, again, this is an extreme expression of anger, it is a wrong method of processing it, but it is understandable, trump probably has been the most dangerous president, and not just for america, be wary of the narcissists!

There's absolutely no excuses for violence and looting there shouldn't be any debate about it.

I don't care how angry someone is burning down people's businesses and homes is never acceptable, understandable or excusable and if you believe it is then you are contributing to the problem because you are enabling it.

Carfacemandog · 10-09-2020 11:14AM

ELM327 wrote: »

The left and the MSM getting the excuses in already!

When Mueller said there was a lot of interference, whi was he "making excuses" for? When US intelligence services said similar who were they "making excuses" for? And when a Republican led bipartisan senate commission came to the same conclusion, who were they "making excuses" for?

Has it occurred to you that perhaps everyone else isn't lying abkut this with Trump and his goons being the only ones telling the truth? Especially on the back of Trump being recorded about lying to the US public despite it having cost likely well over 100,000 lives?

duploelabs · 10-09-2020 11:15AM

Isn't it funny that the clapping seals come on talking about the riots again on the morning when Trump's lies are exposed on tape saying that he knew how deadly the Coronavirus was but played it down because he didn't want to cause a panic.

PropJoe10 · 10-09-2020 11:16AM

The amount of straw-grasping going on in this thread is quite staggering. "Whataboutism" is an old Soviet propaganda tool, funnily enough. And it seems to be in fine fettle around these parts!

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 11:16AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

There's absolutely no excuses for violence and looting there shouldn't any debate about it.

I don't care how angry someone is burning down people's businesses and homes is never acceptable, understandable or excusable and if you believe it is then you are contributing to the problem because you are enabling it.

of course people shouldnt engage in such activities, those doing so, should be arrested and charged accordingly, but it does happen from rising anger. again, this administration has done everything it can to incite these acts, they have played a critical role in these outcomes

LessOutragePlz · 10-09-2020 11:23AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

of course people shouldnt engage in such activities, those doing so, should be arrested and charged accordingly, but it does happen from rising anger. again, this administration has done everything it can to incite these acts, they have played a critical role in these outcomes

I don't see how the administration has done anything to incite these acts, as people are responsible for their own actions no one is forcing them out onto the streets to burn down businesses and properties. So we'll just have to disagree there as I don't want go round in circles talking about who is or isn't responsible for the rioting and looting as it's been discussed to death already.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 11:26AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I don't see how the administration has done anything to incite these acts, as people are responsible for their own actions no one is forcing them out onto the streets to burn down businesses and properties. So we'll just have to disagree there as I don't want go round in circles talking about who is or isn't responsible for the rioting and looting as it's been discussed to death already.

but it truly needs to be discussed further, this potentially could be the most dangerous administration ever, and not just for america

LessOutragePlz · 10-09-2020 11:35AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

but it truly needs to be discussed further, this potentially could be the most dangerous administration ever, and not just for america

There's not much point discussing it when neither of us are going to change our POVs. There's nothing you could say that would convince me that Trump and his administration are responsible for the actions of rioters and looters. As no one is forcing them out onto the streets to do what they are doing.

I highly doubt that you'll change your POV of blaming Trump and his administration for the rioting and the looting.

So what is left to discuss?

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-09-2020 11:41AM

ELM327 wrote: »

This election has now become a battle between a Nobel Peace Prize nominee, and a nearly 80 year old loon whose best argument is "hey I'm not the other guy"

Nah it's more like

This election has now become a battle between an idiot who let circa 200,000 people die because he lied, and a nearly 80 year old gentleman who is the best chance American's have of fixing the country

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 11:43AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

There's not much point discussing it when neither of us are going to change our POVs. There's nothing you could say that would convince me that Trump and his administration are responsible for the actions of rioters and looters. As no one is forcing them out onto the streets to do what they are doing.

I highly doubt that you'll change your POV of blaming Trump and his administration for the rioting and the looting.

So what is left to discuss?

maybe theres more than just both us to discuss this matter

LessOutragePlz · 10-09-2020 11:50AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

maybe theres more than just both us to discuss this matter

Fair enough but I'm fairly certain the other people that would discuss it, would fall into either side of the debate that I've already mentioned so I don't really see the point of it being discussed again tbh.

duploelabs · 10-09-2020 11:50AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

There's not much point discussing it when neither of us are going to change our POVs. There's nothing you could say that would convince me that Trump and his administration are responsible for the actions of rioters and looters. As no one is forcing them out onto the streets to do what they are doing.

I highly doubt that you'll change your POV of blaming Trump and his administration for the rioting and the looting.

So what is left to discuss?

What do you think about Trump lying to the american people saying 'it would disappear like a miracle', when in truth (by his own words) he knew how deadly it was

ELM327 · 10-09-2020 11:52AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Nah it's more like

Yeah, 47 years in politics but the next 4 is where he really makes the difference :rolleyes:

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 11:53AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Yeah, 47 years in politics but the next 4 is where he really makes the difference :rolleyes:

he could, but he is an absolute dreadful candidate, so maybe not

ELM327 · 10-09-2020 11:55AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

he could, but he is an absolute dreadful candidate, so maybe not

This we can agree on for sure. I've said it for months, he was a terrible pick by the Dems.

Timberrrrrrrr · 10-09-2020 11:55AM

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's been a while since I've seen so much hay made from so little.

He got a nomination from some crank and you'd swear that he actually won it.

And hopefully the news that he allowed 200,000+ American people die due to his stupidity will have the NPP committee laughing his nomination out of there.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 11:56AM

ELM327 wrote: »

This we can agree on for sure. I've said it for months, he was a terrible pick by the Dems.

ah shur the dems are a train wreck, but the whole left is also a train wreck, same here

LessOutragePlz · 10-09-2020 11:56AM

duploelabs wrote: »

What do you think about Trump lying to the american people saying 'it would disappear like a miracle', when in truth (by his own words) he knew how deadly it was

In his own words he didn't want to create a panic, him acknowledging how bad it was that early actually gives credit to the idea that he doesn't believe some of the stuff he says himself on certain occasions.

As some posters such as myself have previously said that he wasn't being serious when he said certain things but, apparently we were "telepathic" according to some posters.

duploelabs · 10-09-2020 12:01PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

In his own words he didn't want to create a panic, him acknowledging how bad it was that early actually gives credit to the idea that he doesn't believe some of the stuff he says himself on certain occasions.

As some posters such as myself have previously said that he wasn't being serious when he said certain things but, apparently we were "telepathic" according to some posters.

Oh so he's joking about it??
Hardly a time to be joking or at least caveat it when you're talking to Bob Woodward

LessOutragePlz · 10-09-2020 12:05PM

duploelabs wrote: »

Oh so he's joking about it??
Hardly a time to be joking or at least caveat it when you're talking to Bob Woodward

Not joking about it just downplaying the severity to avoid a mass panic among the public. I was referencing other occasions when he has mentioned fairly outlandish things such as the time he supposedly suggested that people inject disinfectant to cure themselves of covid. Some people took him literally on that while others assumed that he wasn't being serious.

Wanderer78 · 10-09-2020 12:08PM

LessOutragePlz wrote:

Not joking about it just downplaying the severity to avoid a mass panic among the public. I was referencing other occasions when he has mentioned fairly outlandish things such as the time he supposedly suggested that people inject disinfectant to cure themselves of covid. Some people took him literally on that while others assumed that he wasn't being serious.

There's a possibility, he actually was being serious, we ll never know for sure, but a head of state has a duty of care to all citizens, this is how not to fulfill this duty

ohnonotgmail · 10-09-2020 12:08PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Not joking about it just downplaying the severity to avoid a mass panic among the public. I was referencing other occasions when he has mentioned fairly outlandish things such as the time he supposedly suggested that people inject disinfectant to cure themselves of covid. Some people took him literally on that while others assumed that he wasn't being serious.

he downplayed the severity publicly and then acted like there wasn't a problem privately as well. Knowing there is a problem and doing nothing about is a dereliction of his duty as a president.

duploelabs · 10-09-2020 12:10PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Not joking about it just downplaying the severity to avoid a mass panic among the public. I was referencing other occasions when he has mentioned fairly outlandish things such as the time he supposedly suggested that people inject disinfectant to cure themselves of covid. Some people took him literally on that while others assumed that he wasn't being serious.

So by downplaying it, he knew that by doing so would lead to more deaths which is favourable to causing a (rightful) panic?

Carfacemandog · 10-09-2020 12:11PM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

In his own words he didn't want to create a panic

In which case he failed, and failed terribly. In Ireland we had a proper lockdown and a government that was very open and direct about the risks and the precautions needed. As a result, thousands of lives were saved and tens of thousands if not more were prevented from catching the virus. There is a reason Trump apologists stopped comparing Ireland to the US long ago over Covid figures, and it is because we handled the crisis well despite getting hit hard quite early, while the US under Trump's leadership failed utterly despite almost avoiding it entirely at the start outside of NY & NJ.

This is not how you avoid a panic during a pandemic:
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This has been yet another example of completely and utterly feckless leadership under Trump brought about by the complete lack of transparency in his government and his repeatedly needing to lie to the public about 'hoaxes and miracles'.

LessOutragePlz · 10-09-2020 12:16PM

I'm not saying what he did was right but I can understand why he didn't want to create a panic amongst the people.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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